De-Growth Will Define How We Live in the Future

You may have noticed that the nation entered a political crisis after election day. However all that turns out, and whomever occupies the White House, a Pandora’s box of pressing problems and quandaries lie beyond this battle, and they will determine how we arrange daily life in this land, especially the question of what our towns and cities will look like, and how they’ll function, which has been the focus of this monthly column the past year.

Due to the incessant blathering of economists who only follow the movements of money, most Americans do not understand what supports our techno-industrial economy and all the familiar comforts and conveniences that come with it. Oil supports it, and has for the past 100 years, and it makes all our fabulous amenities possible. Oil has been heading for trouble for a couple of decades and now it has arrived at the crisis point. Our supply of oil is dwindling because it costs too much to pull it out of the ground. It’s that simple. Our basic business model is broken.

The shale oil “miracle” is a bust. It was a fabulous stunt while it lasted. It lifted U.S. oil production from under five million barrels per day in 2008 to 13 million barrels per day in 2019, but it could never operate at a profit and the companies involved are quitting and going bankrupt. U.S. oil production is down two million barrels per day since March, and informed observers predict it will fall as low as six million in 2021—half what we produced in 2019.

At the same time, the lockdowns of the Covid-19 emergency have killed so much business that the demand for oil remains low, and with low demand come low prices wreaking more havoc among the oil producers, driving them to bankruptcy. This is going to continue at a steepening rate. We could be done with oil altogether in a decade.

We’re not going to make up for it with solar and wind power, or any other so-called renewable energy sources much fantasized-over in the news—at least not in the high-tech sense. All those wind turbines, solar arrays, and the electronics to run them require oil (or coal or natural gas) to manufacture and to maintain, and that support won’t be there. Same for nuclear, which requires fossil fuel to maintain operations. There are no other known energy rescue remedies. Of course, the sun will still shine and the wind will still blow, and they do produce energy that we can use, but at a much smaller and lower scale than what we’re used to. Which points directly to the place that we’re going: a much lower-scale, less technologically complex way of life. This has little to do, by the way, with climate change, which, if anything, is but a sidebar to the greater predicament of economic contraction, and which, unlike depression, will be a permanent condition.

Our arrangements for daily will have to change to make provision for all that, and not in some abstruse theoretical sense, but physically, on the ground, in a direct relationship with wind, water, soil, and fire. It’s dismaying these days to encounter so many current plans for future development proffered by urbanist reformers of various stripes. They seem to assume that most of today’s prevailing arrangements will just continue and that all we have to do is tweak some zoning policies, conjure some grants and government outlays, and adjust our cultural attitudes to admit more “diversity and inclusion” to provide the commodity called “housing” (notice how that’s an abstraction, by the way).

The conditions we take for granted in the construction of buildings are coming to an end. Architects, planners, and impresarios of government housing all suppose that the fabricated, modular, snap-together building materials of today will keep rolling off the assembly lines a decade or so from now: steel beams, aluminum trusses, plate glass, cement, gypsum board, plywood, fiberglass and foam insulation, asphalt roofing shingles, copper pipe, plastic PVC pipe…you name it. Without affordable fossil fuels, we’ll be making very few of those things, at least not at the mass production scale or the volumes we’re used to.

Salvage will be one of the leading enterprises of the 21st century, disassembling buildings and sorting out the parts for re-use. Human beings are very good at this. If you present a work crew with an abandoned strip mall, and give them a few rudimentary tools (many of them perhaps salvaged, too), you can come back three days later and find all the cement blocks in one pile, the steel beams in another, the wooden studs in a third, and so on. There will be a lot of that. Salvaged materials will have to be used in combination with materials found in nature, mainly wood and stone, for new construction. We will be lucky if we can make modest batches of concrete mortar (a very high-energy process) for building in masonry. We don’t know yet if the nearly eight billion people on the planet will destroy the remaining forests in their struggles to stay warm.

The harsh truth may be that the disorders that attend contracting economies and discontinued resource supply lines will reduce populations shockingly fast. This will affect the business model for high-tech agri-business, which made it possible to feed so many people through the 20th century into the present. We have no idea what kind of geopolitical strife will go with this, but historically that’s what happens when kingdoms and nations find themselves in a desperate competition for resources. One calculation, by Deagle, the government-connected military technology and intelligence consulting company, predicts global population drops of 50 to 80 percent by 2025, with the U.S. population reduced to 100 million from the current 330 million. I know that sounds severe, but there it is.

Even a less drastic population decline would change the picture for retrofitting a lot of the stuff on the American landscape. Buildings in the vast reaches of suburbia were never great candidates for adaptive re-use. Everything is so far apart in sprawl that walking is out of the question and the Jolly Green Giant is not going to move things closer together for us. Densifying these places, making them into urban nodes, as many who promote “suburban repair” advocate, won’t make a whole lot of sense if the population is going down and GDP with it. Rather we should devote our dwindling capital to fixing the old centers of the existing towns and cities, which almost always exist for a good geographic reason—a river, a harbor, a strategic position on a trade route. In any case, our cities eventually will be smaller and more compact than they have been for many generations.

Another problem with the adaptive re-use of existing buildings is that they were built with materials not designed to last. A lot of these materials, used widely in recent decades, were actually marketing experiments run on “consumers,” i.e. builders and buyers of mass-produced “homes.” Plywood delaminates as soon as water invades it. So-called strand-board—panels made from waste wood fragments and polymer glue—have even less integrity. Vinyl siding becomes brittle and breaks after a few decades of exposure to ultraviolet light. Spray-on plastic stucco turns to powder. Plastic window frames warp and crack easily over time. All plastic building materials and asphalt roofing shingles are products of the fossil fuel industry. Where’s that going? Will we have the energy to even make small panes of window glass to set in wooden window sashes? One wonders.

The reformers of the current moment aren’t concerned with any of this. One of the few discernable issues of the recent election campaign was a fight over the Democratic Party proposal to write new federal laws that would overcome local zoning codes in order to build housing for the poor in suburbia. Any way you look at it—altruistic social justice, an assault on property rights—nobody questioned our ability to make it happen. Rather, I believe you’ll see the government get out of the housing business by necessity as we turn the corner into 2021 and beyond, because the country is worse than broke.

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That aforesaid quandary with our oil supply means that we’ve entered the age of de-growth. We’re no longer able to produce as many quality goods as we used to, so our aggregate wealth is declining. As a perverse side-effect, whatever wealth we do generate tends to be unfairly concentrated among those who are already wealthy, because those are the people who work in, and benefit from, the financialized activities that have replaced industrial production. Anybody paying attention to the world around them can’t fail to notice how the middle class is being gutted from its lower blue-collar base on up into the professional strata. This is killing the business model of the so-called “consumer economy,” but it has actually been on the ropes for a long time. Reckless borrowing is what kept it afloat.

Indeed, at the most macro scale, borrowing money from the future has held at bay the terrible consequences of de-growth since the Great Financial Crash (GFC) of 2008-2009. Back then, the oil industry had just entered a slow decline, and that was enough to spark epic financial instability. Now that the oil industry is definitively going bankrupt around shale oil, the global banking system faces something worse than instability. Since the GFC, we’ve generated monumental debt just to keep our networks of complex systems going. Debt only works if there is some plausible prospect that it can be paid back. A society has to produce surplus wealth to pay back its debt or, at least, service the interest due. In the absence of real surplus wealth, the plausibility evaporates. What passes for surplus wealth these days are just games played in the financialization arena with vaporous instruments that pretend to represent money, and money itself is more and more a pretense now. You can say financialization is money with the value removed.

The so-called “recovery” of 2009 to 2019 was an illusion provided by 10 years of the shale oil orgy combined with all that new debt (which also financed the shale oil) that will never be paid back. It manifested as a bubble in bond, stock, and derivative markets, with some additional novelties such as Bitcoin. The Covid-19 virus appeared to prick the bubble in late winter 2020, but the problems it caused only provoked greater new waves of central bank “money” to be loosed upon the scene to “prevent a depression.”

The markets “recovered” as soon as the “stimulus” was proffered, because money doesn’t sit still; it migrates to places where it might theoretically increase, even if the “investment” model is a self-reinforcing fraud. The markets kept going up, up, up through November of 2020, when the Dow Jones index pierced the 30,000 hashmark—while scores of thousands of small businesses, representing 44 percent of total American business, failed in the months of Covid-19 lockdowns, and families and households were left ruined. The finance sector had finally decoupled from the economy like a space capsule dropping its boosters, with the catch that the capsule had not actually escaped the gravitational field.

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Rounding the corner of the new year in a few weeks, whoever is president faces a new and spooky disposition of things. De-growth with all its awful consequences is upon us. There will be less of everything for the same number of people who were here ten months ago, fewer businesses that can generate enough cash flow to survive, fewer employees, fewer customers for anything. It will look like a depression but it will be de-growth, the collapse of complex systems, a long emergency.

The mortgage forbearances plus rent and loan postponements are due to run out after Christmas. The government won’t let these people be turned out homeless, you can be sure, but what can they do besides shovel more “money” into this quandary? It’s all they know how to do. It won’t work. It will only destroy what’s left of the value in the dollar. The net effect will be a descent into disorder—both civil and economic—where a lot of things just stop working. Big businesses will follow the small businesses into failure as their supply lines wobble and their customers go broke. If the dollar loses value significantly, say 30 percent in 2021, the gigantic federal and state governments are sure to be rendered ineffectual, unable to discharge their duties, or fix things, or offer any reassurance to the struggling masses. As a general principle going forward, anything that operates at the giant scale is liable to fail. The small and nimble are more likely to thrive. The disorder could go on for quite a while, until the people get their minds right about the paradigm shift that has occurred.

Eventually this society—or agglomeration of societies in North America—will settle into the next chapter of history in which we learn to live with a lot less. It won’t be the end of the world; it will be the end of an era: the age of the fossil fuel orgy. We’ll do what our circumstances require us to do and instruct us to do. The ideological frivolities of the pre-collapse years will be bygone and the people will be concerned with the basics of getting enough to eat, sheltering themselves, and producing real necessities for daily life, all at a very local scale. Our big cities will be a lot smaller, though many abandoned mega-structures and skyscrapers will remain standing as an eerie reminder of a receding, wondrous past, just as the Colosseum remained standing for centuries in Rome when the population shrank from one million to 11,000. They’ll supply building materials, too, as the Flavian amphitheater yielded its marble claddings to the churches, palaces, and hospitals of later times.

Vibrant districts and neighborhoods will self-reorganize, many of them in parts of the city that were lively and busy before the long emergency. Sturdy neighborhoods endure, a lesson from the European cities (and Europe will have gone through a similar convulsion of de-growth and disorder). In our cities of the future, you won’t see any cars on the streets. That’s over. It remains to be seen whether railroads will reconnect the cities and the towns. We may have missed the window of opportunity for that, having spurned the reconstruction of our networks back at the turn of the millennium when there was still a lot of money, oil, and steel around to get the job done.

The age of fossil fuels brought such spectacular power to human endeavor that we fell for the illusion that nothing could stop ever more fantastic technological progress—and if any threat arose, even a big one like climate change, we could find a way to overcome it with our human innovative genius and just blast forward. Hubris is a harsh master. We’re going, unexpectedly, to a different destination, a much more modest place, and no one knows for how long. But consider this: it will be a real place, not a virtual place, and we will call that place home, many such places, actually, and we will fit in them more comfortably than we did in the colossal alienating environments we created in the era now passing. We will regain an understanding of our relations with this planet, and probably regain a sense of gratitude for being here.

James Howard Kunstler is The American Conservative’s New Urbanism Fellow. He is the author of numerous books on urban geography and economics, including his recent work, Living in the Long Emergency: Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward.

This New Urbanism series is supported by the Richard H. Driehaus Foundation. Follow New Urbs on Twitter for a feed dedicated to TAC’s coverage of cities, urbanism, and place.

Kunstler

70 Comments on "De-Growth Will Define How We Live in the Future"

DT on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 1:20 am 



Good points in this article. FF is what made our modern civilization, no FF, no modern civilization.

Cloggie on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:50 am 



From Wikipedia:

“In 1966, Kunstler graduated from New York City’s High School of Music & Art, and attended the State University of New York at Brockport, where he majored in theater.”

And then that other peak oil hero, Richard Heinberg:

Heinberg, after two years in college and a period of personal study, became personal assistant to Immanuel Velikovsky in November 1979. After Velikovsky’s death, Heinberg assisted his widow in editing manuscripts. He published his first book in 1989, Memories and Visions of Paradise: Exploring the Universal Myth of a Lost Golden Age, which was the result of ten years of study of world mythology.

A theater man and a mythologist, trying to predict the future of energy, what could possibly go wrong!

If I have problems with my teeth, I don’t go to a blacksmith or a hooker, instead I go to a dentist.

Likewise, if I want to learn about a credible vision on the future of energy, I go to people who dedicated a significant part of their early adult life and beyond to energy matters, not theater or Velikovsky.

We’re not going to make up for it with solar and wind power, or any other so-called renewable energy sources much fantasized-over in the news—at least not in the high-tech sense. All those wind turbines, solar arrays, and the electronics to run them require oil (or coal or natural gas) to manufacture and to maintain, and that support won’t be there.

This is the standard American blunder, which the majority of American posters here subscribe to as well, in order to arrive at their collapsnik views. A child can understand that a kWh is a kWh, regardless of its source. With a kWh sourced from a wind turbine or a solar panel you can do everything you can do with a kWh from fossil fuel. With kWh’s from wind turbines I can make new wind turbines. The key factor is EROI, which meanwhile is sufficient to carry industrial civilization eventually. But Americans aren’t very great engineers (anymore) as they are all “financialized”.

Eurasia doesn’t buy into this colossal blunder and proceeds unhindered into the next form of energy, which is renewable energy and probably hydrogen, pumped hydro, flow batteries, CAES, seasonal storage of heat as storage. The fact that both Europe and China have large trade surpluses, where all Anglos only have deficits, proves the point of Eurasian engineering superiority over the Anglos. This is the only statistic you need to review, in order to read the geopolitical future:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

The British Empire was unthinkable without coal and steam, the now outgoing US empire was unthinkable without oil and gas. All three fossil energy sources are running out, c.q. their use has become prohibited for environmental reasons.

Will the Eurasian renewable energy program provide energy BAU?

No.

Will Eurasian renewable energy be able to sustain High Civilization?

Yes.

Expect private car ownership to vanish, but replaced by a fine-grained transport system, carried by a corporate-owned fleet of autonomous driving cars/vans, turning every road in a virtual railroad.

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/

Expect mass tourism and flying to be scaled down significantly. So what? High Civilization is not equal to mass tourism. High Civilization is identified more with great architecture than with massive amounts of air miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riN_YQR9fyM

Expect food production to take place near cities:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/largest-eu-vertical-farming-project-underway-in-denmark/

The list goes on.

Our future civilization will be more “light-weight”, where information backbones and gigabytes will be more important than roads and megatons of steel and concrete and gasoline. But it will be a high-tech civilization, not a world made by hand.

Adriano on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 3:28 am 



fossil-free holland will soon go under water

Cloggie on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 3:37 am 



“fossil-free holland will soon go under water”

Not soon, but perhaps, eventually. Here a fascinating time-lapse video of a boat trip from Rotterdam to Amsterdam over the endless, meandering Dutch waterways:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPCdJapIXA

Note that everywhere the water is higher than the surrounding land.

Current average increase of the sea level is 4 mm/year and accelerating. Dutch hydrological engineers will tell you that the Netherlands can survive in its present shape 1 meter sea level rise, but not 3 meters. There is no country in the world that has more interest in combatting climate change than the Netherlands. Amsterdam won’t disappear this century, but perhaps in the next.

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/06/23/sea-level-rise-in-northern-europe/

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/30/finger-in-the-dike-latest-holland-struggles-with-rising-sea-levels/

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/08/19/ice-sheet-greenland-melting-rapidly/

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 4:17 am 



A typical stupid night with JuanPpeee the lunatic:

Adriano said fossil-free holland will soon go under water

DT said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvFG543mlK8

Abraham van Helsing said “Op-Ed: Why so many people want to believe t…

DT said Hydrogen the energy source that never was. https:/…

DT said Good points in this article. FF is what made our m…

FamousDrScanlon said The government ‘education’ is all too…

zero juan said HATES juanPpeee real bad

FamousDrScanlon said Duncan Idaho, I agree, but the Clinton’s &am…

zero davy on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 4:50 am 



A typical stupid morning with DaVveee the lunatic:

Adriano said fossil-free holland will soon go under water
DT said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvFG543mlK8

Abraham van Helsing said “Op-Ed: Why so many people want to believe t…

DT said Hydrogen the energy source that never was. https:/…

DT said Good points in this article. FF is what made our m…

FamousDrScanlon said The government ‘education’ is all too…

zero juan said HATES juanPpeee real bad
FamousDrScanlon said Duncan Idaho, I agree, but the Clinton’s &am…

Cloggie on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 4:56 am 



In many cases it makes more sense to build large wind towers from concrete rather than steel:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/12/08/getting-concrete-wind-towers-monopiles-beyond-steel/

“Getting Concrete – Wind Towers & Monopiles Beyond Steel”

In the third world, cement and sand can often be acquired locally more easily than steel, for which you need mining and blast furnaces.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:21 am 



Good morning lunatic. I will be stalking and trolling you today as every day. A troll like you can’t stand this shit and this is why it is so delicious. LMFAO @ the FOOL!

zero davy said A typical stupid morning with DaVveee the lunatic:…

Adriano on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:39 am 



I dislike Holland

Dredd on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:41 am 



The graph shows “Deep water” production going down as the deep ocean water warms up (A Deep Look At Latitude Layers).

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 7:44 am 



Ppeee juan puke

Adriano said I dislike Holland

Diaper Don said I have grifted nearly 400mil for my sucker Maga su…

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 8:09 am 



I am the bored self admitted stalker and troller.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 9:39 am 



Ppeee, there is nothing boring about fucking with you and it does not take much effort. You are a stupid troll and your comments are low IQ. You are a selfish prick that is stupid. What a combination! LMFAO. BTW, what gives you the right to be a troll but you wine and moan when you get trolled? LOL Stupid, what comes around goes around. You deserve everything I throw at you. In fact it will be good for you to be humbled into the reality you are a worthless prick. All you had to do is leave me alone but you can’t help yourself can you! You are a lunatic!

DT said Maybe tomorrow, next week, or month you will wake…

zero juan said I am the bored self admitted stalker and troller.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 11:03 am 



BTW Ppeee juan. Did we mention one out of every 27 people in Dent county has been infected with the corona virus so far? Thanks for supporting Trump.

fuckwak

LegoAndTrudeauAreUseless on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 11:27 am 



We are really managed by mentally challenged people in Québec and Canada. This is why I always turn the sound off when I watched these videos. because I know that these people belong into a mental institution. Look at retard lego thinking he is important and he thinks he is doing the right thing. Fucking moron

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxTLNACfuw

During a press briefing in Montreal, representatives of the federal and Quebec governments make an announcement on an investment in green infrastructure. Federal ministers Catherine McKenna (Infrastructure), Mélanie Joly (Economic Development and Official Languages) and Pablo Rodriguez (House Leader of the Government) are present; as well as the Premier of Quebec François Legault and the provincial ministers Pierre Fitzgibbon (Economy and Innovation) and Jonatan Julien (Energy and Natural Resources). Representatives of municipalities and industry accompany them.

The Premier announces the creation of two projects representing total investments of $ 876 million. One of the projects is the construction of a biofuel plant in Varennes, while the other is a Hydro-Quebec project to supply hydrogen to the plant. The Government of Quebec is investing $ 160 million in these projects which should create 500 jobs during construction and 100 for permanent operations. The federal contribution is $ 74 million.

It it time to let everything burn to the ground. politician are too stupid to be keep alive.

LegoIsJustAPieceOfShit on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 11:38 am 



Let’s talk about Pierre Fitzgibbon et se tabarnac d’enfant de chienne de Leagautl. Legualt is just another piece of shit corrupt politician like they all are.

Quebec’s economy minister violated code of ethics and should be reprimanded, commissioner says

https://globalnews.ca/news/7430389/quebec-pierre-fitzgibbon-ethics-violation/

Duncan Idaho on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:02 pm 



How perfect is it that both of Trump’s dead-ender lawyers now have COVID?

Trump’s other loopy lawyer reportedly has COVID

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/8/2000642/-Trump-s-other-loopy-lawyer-reportedly-has-COVID

RempelIsAStupidCunt on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:15 pm 



Rempel another stupid cunt. Another ugly cunt with an inflated ego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZI-h4UCUS8

I am not a admirer of TrudDope, but most of the Conservative are even more stupid then he is.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:16 pm 



Ppeee, quit whining about how bad Dent County is look around your shithole Miami Beach. BTW, I moderated you on the other side. Since you are such a pussy and have me on ignore, I thought I would point it out. You really are a piece of shit and I love fucking with you.

LegoIsJustAPieceOfShit said Let’s talk about Pierre Fitzgibbon et se tab…

LegoAndTrudeauAreUseless said We are really managed by mentally challenged peopl…

zero juan said BTW Ppeee juan. Did we mention one out of every 27…

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:17 pm 



Ppeee juan, you are the stupid cunt

RempelIsAStupidCunt said Rempel another stupid cunt. Another ugly cunt with…

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:07 pm 



Please quit stealing my ID widdle.

Diaper Don on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:26 pm 



Finally the kunt is writing something relevant instead of the stupid Maga conspiracy crap he’s been peddling for at least a year now he conceded his buddy fat boy lost and must of snaped out of the orange trance.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:27 pm 



Ppeee, I responded to your whining over on the moderated side. Obviously your ignore filter was not on..LMFAO. You really are completely full of shit. What a fuck!

zero juan said Please quit stealing my ID widdle.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:31 pm 



JuanP cannot see our comments widdle. We’re wasting our time trying to squabble with him.

Not zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:36 pm 



zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:16 pm

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 12:17 pm

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:27 pm

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:45 pm 



Ppeee, are you getting upset? I hope so. Expect much more you fucking piece of shit!

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 2:48 pm 



Stop stealing my ID. Lunatic

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 4:03 pm 



The USA has already become a failed state. I wish I could say I am surprised, but when you see how stupid, ignorant, and insane the average American is, this was to be expected. Just look at that goat fucked white trash trailer whore from Missouri and her son, Davy.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:17 pm 



Ppeee, you must really be upset!! He he. This is good expect much more you low life piece of shit!

“The USA has already become a failed state. I wish I could say I am surprised, but when you see how stupid, ignorant, and insane the average American is, this was to be expected. Just look at that goat fucked white trash trailer whore from Missouri and her son, Davy.”

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:38 pm 



Delusional Davy “Ppeee, you must really be upset!! He he. This is good expect much more you low life piece of shit!”

You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! I am actually enjoying how insane you’ve become. By the time I’m finished with you, you will be in a straight jacket in an insane asylum, lunatic! ROFLMFAO!

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:42 pm 



Wow, Ppeee, did you finally loose it! It is not normal for you to come out as JuanP and so many times. Ususally it is 10 different fake handles with lunatic comments. LMFAO. You are upset aren’t you fuck!. Expect much much more because it is working!

FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:44 pm 



I think JuanP is losing it. Have you seen his comments lately? They are off the wall and unintelligent just like a mental case in delusional psychoses

DT on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:45 pm 



I hate JuanP becuase he is an illegal immigrant

Gaia on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 5:46 pm 



JuanP does not have a farm or a garden. He is just a worthless lazy bum living off his daddies dime.

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:01 pm 



Delusional Davy “I think JuanP is losing it. Have you seen his comments lately? They are off the wall and unintelligent just like a mental case in delusional psychoses”

You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! ROFLMFAO!

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:03 pm 



Delusional Davy “JuanP does not have a farm or a garden. He is just a worthless lazy bum living off his daddies dime.”

And the projections keep coming from the board’s fool! LOL! Thanks for the laughs, loser!

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:09 pm 



Delusional Davy “Ppeee, I responded to your whining over on the moderated side. Obviously your ignore filter was not on..LMFAO. You really are completely full of shit. What a fuck!”

Even if I wanted to read your response, I wouldn’t be able to because the moderators deleted it, moron. You obviously are increasingly disconnected from reality with every passing day! What a widdle sad fuck son of a syphilitic whore you are, Exceptionalist!

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:09 pm 



Ppeee, this is not like you to be JuanP so much. You must really be upset. This is good and it is the goal. I like when goals are realized. Ppeee, get a fucking grip slimeball, you are is going to be fucked with here on out with no let up. Got it Prick!

DT on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:10 pm 



Calling JuanP a slimeball is putting it nicely

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:14 pm 



Exceptionalist, the fact that you refuse to understand and accept the fact that I have never used socks is another symptom of your insanity. I have been forcing you to behave on the moderated side for months now. I can only imagine how hard and frustrating that must be for you. I have been loving it every single day. LOL!

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:19 pm 



My gawd, Ppeee, WTF is going on with you. Normally you are fielding 6 socks a night but tonight you are all JuanPpeee. Could it be I got under your skin and pissed you off royally! LMFAO. I love when a plan comes together.

DT on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:20 pm 



JuanP is coming unhinged worse than normal

FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:21 pm 



I am a doctor but I can’t help him. What he needs is a baseball bat to the head.

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:24 pm 



Delusional Davy “What he needs is a baseball bat to the head.”

You are projecting again, son of a syphilitic $2 wbore! I just love fucking with you, stupid American!

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:26 pm 



Delusional Davy “JuanP is coming unhinged worse than normal”
At least I can still get worse. You, on the other hand, completely lost it years ago. LOL!

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 6:46 pm 



Ppeee, please don’t stop. This is so much fun. I bet you are on drugs tonight. Lol

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 7:16 pm 



I can tell how much fun this has been for you these last year’s by how you’ve lost any shred of mental health you may have had before you started fucking with me. I wish you could see yourself through the eyes of others to realize what a deranged lunatic you’ve become.

JuanP on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 7:23 pm 



I told you I would drive you crazy if you fucked with me, and I obviously succeeded. I am out of your league, loser, and you lack the capacity to understand it.

zero juan on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 7:44 pm 



Ppee, it is no trouble and who cares. Only you seem to care. Obviously you are very upset. This means mission accomplished. You are all alone. Your stupid friends are gone. Quit whining so much, pussy.

Duncan Idaho on Tue, 8th Dec 2020 7:46 pm 



Repugs want to steal this election for the Fat Boy — they just don’t know how

https://www.salon.com/2020/12/08/republicans-want-to-steal-this-election-for-trump–they-just-dont-know-how/