Climate scientists and others have in the past few years issued a steady stream of analyses showing that without immediate remedial actions, a disastrous future is headed our way. But is it a four-decade-old study that will prove prescient?
That study, issued in the 1972 book The Limits to Growth, forecast that industrial output would decline early in the 21st century, followed quickly by a rise in death rates due to reduced provision of services and food that would lead to a dramatic decline in world population. To be specific, per capita industrial output was forecast to decline “precipitously” starting in about 2015.
Well, here we are. Despite years of stagnation following the worst economic crash since the Great Depression, things have not gotten that bad. At least not yet. Although the original authors of The Limits to Growth, led by Donella Meadows, caution against tying their predictions too tightly to a specific year, the actual trends of the past four decades are not far off from the what was predicted by the study’s models. A recent paper examining the original 1972 study goes so far as to say that the study’s predictions are well on course to being borne out.
That research paper, prepared by a University of Melbourne scientist, Graham Turner, is unambiguously titled “Is Global Collapse Imminent?” As you might guess from the title, Dr. Turner is not terribly optimistic.
He is merely the latest researcher to sound alarm bells. Just last month, a revised paper by 19 climate scientists led by James Hansen demonstrates that continued greenhouse-gas emissions will lead to a sea-level rise of several meters in as few as 50 years, increasingly powerful storms and rapid cooling in Europe. Two other recent papers calculate that humanity has already committed itself to a six-meter rise in sea level and a separate group of 18 scientists demonstrated in their study that Earth is crossing multiple points of no return. All the while, governments cling to the idea that “green capitalism” will magically pull humanity out of the frying pan.
Four decades of ‘business as usual’
At least global warming is acknowledged today, even if the world’s governments prescriptions thus far are woefully inadequate. In 1972, the message of The Limits to Growth was far from welcome and widely ridiculed. Adjusting parameters to test various possibilities, the authors ran a dozen scenarios in a global model of the environment and economy, and found that “overshoot and collapse” was inevitable with continued “business as usual”; that is, without significant changes to economic activity. Needless to say, such changes have not occurred.
In the “business as usual” model, the capital needed to extract harder-to-reach resources becomes sufficiently high that other needs for investment are starved at the same time that resources begin to become depleted. Industrial output would begin to decline about 2015, but pollution would continue to increase and fewer inputs would be available for agriculture, resulting in declining food production. Coupled with declines in services such as health and education due to insufficient capital, the death rate begins to rise in 2020 and world population declines at a rate of about half a billion per decade from 2030. According to Dr. Turner:
“The World3 model simulated a stock of non-renewable as well as renewable resources. The function of renewable resources in World3, such as agricultural land and the trees, could erode as a result of economic activity, but they could also recover their function if deliberate action was taken or harmful activity reduced. The rate of recovery relative to rates of degradation affects when thresholds or limits are exceeded as well as the magnitude of any potential collapse.”
The World3 computer model simulated interactions within and between population, industrial capital, pollution, agricultural systems and non-renewable resources, set up to capture positive and negative feedback loops. Dr. Turner writes that changing parameters merely delays collapse. The current boom in fracking natural gas and the extraction of petroleum products from tar sands weren’t anticipated in the 1970s, but the expansion of new technologies to exploit resources pushes back the collapse “one to two decades” but “when it occurs the speed of decline is even greater.”
So how much stock should we put in a study more than 40 years old? Dr. Turner asserts that actual environmental, economic and population measurements in the intervening years “aligns strongly” to what the Limits to Growth model expected from its “business as usual” run. He writes:
“[T]he observed industrial output per capita illustrates a slowing rate of growth that is consistent with the [business as usual scenario] reaching a peak. In this scenario, the industrial output per capita begins a substantial reversal and decline at about 2015. Observed food per capita is broadly in keeping with the [Limits to Growth business as usual scenario], with food supply increasing only marginally faster than population. Literacy rates show a saturating growth trend, while electricity generation per capita … grows more rapidly and in better agreement with the [Limits to Growth] model.”
Peak oil and difficult economics
Rising energy costs following global peak oil will make much of the remaining stock uneconomical to exploit. This is a critical forcing point in the collapse scenario. And as more energy is required to extract resources that are more difficult to exploit, the net energy from production continues to fall. John Michael Greer, a writer on peak oil, observes that, just as it takes more energy to produce a steel product than it did a century ago due to the lower quality of iron ore today, more energy is required to produce energy today.
Net energy from oil production has vastly shrunken over the years, Mr. Greer writes:
“[T]the sort of shallow wells that built the US oil industry has a net energy of anything up to 200 to 1: in other words, less than a quart out of each 42-gallon barrel of oil goes to paying off the energy cost of extraction, and the rest is pure profit. … As you slide down the grades of hydrocarbon goo, though, that pleasant equation gets replaced by figures considerably less genial. Your average barrel of oil from a conventional US oilfield today has a net energy around 30 to 1. … The surge of new petroleum that hit the oil market just in time to help drive the current crash of oil prices, though, didn’t come from 30-to-1 conventional oil wells. … What produced the surge this time was a mix of tar sands and hydrofractured shales, which are a very, very long way down the goo curve. …
“The real difficulty with the goo you get from tar sands and hydrofractured shales is that you have to put a lot more energy into getting each [barrel of oil equivalent] of energy out of the ground and into usable condition than you do with conventional crude oil. The exact figures are a matter of dispute, and factoring in every energy input is a fiendishly difficult process, but it’s certainly much less than 30 to 1—and credible estimates put the net energy of tar sands and hydrofractured shales well down into single digits. Now ask yourself this: where is the energy that has to be put into the extraction process coming from? The answer, of course, is that it’s coming out of the same global energy supply to which tar sands and hydrofractured shales are supposedly contributing.”
It is that declining energy availability and greater expense that is the tipping point, Dr. Turner argues:
“Contemporary research into the energy required to extract and supply a unit of energy from oil shows that the inputs have increased by almost an order of magnitude. It does not matter how big the resource stock is if it cannot be extracted fast enough or other scarce inputs needed elsewhere in the economy are consumed in the extraction. Oil and gas optimists note that extracting unconventional fuels is only economic above an oil price somewhere in the vicinity of US$70 per barrel. They readily acknowledge that the age of cheap oil is over, without apparently realising that expensive fuels are a sign of constraints on extraction rates and inputs needed. It is these constraints which lead to the collapse in the [Limits to Growth] modelling of the [business as usual] scenario.”
New oil is dirty oil
The current plunge in oil and gas prices will not be permanent. Speculation on why Saudi Arabia, by far the world’s biggest oil exporter, continues to furiously pump out oil as fast as it can despite the collapse in pricing frequently centers on speculation that the Saudis’ pumping costs are lower than elsewhere and thus can sustain low prices while driving out competitors who must operate in the red at such prices.
If this scenario pans out, a shortage of oil will eventually materialize, driving the price up again. But the difficult economics will not have disappeared; all the easy sources of petroleum have long since been tapped. And the sources for the recent boom — tar sands and fracking — are heavy contributors to global warming, another looming danger. The case for catastrophic climate disruption due to global warming is far better understood today than it was in 1972 — and we are already experiencing its effects.
Dr. Turner, noting with understatement that these gigantic global problems “have been met with considerable resistance from powerful societal forces,” concludes:
“A challenging lesson from the [Limits to Growth] scenarios is that global environmental issues are typically intertwined and should not be treated as isolated problems. Another lesson is the importance of taking pre-emptive action well ahead of problems becoming entrenched. Regrettably, the alignment of data trends with the [Limits to Growth] dynamics indicates that the early stages of collapse could occur within a decade, or might even be underway. This suggests, from a rational risk-based perspective, that we have squandered the past decades, and that preparing for a collapsing global system could be even more important than trying to avoid collapse.”
Sobering indeed. Left unsaid (and, as always, there is no criticism intended in noting a research paper not going outside its parameters) is why so little has been done to head off a looming global catastrophe. Free of constraints, it is not difficult to quantify those “powerful societal forces” as the biggest industrialists and financiers in the world capitalist system. As long as we have an economic system that allows private capital to accumulate without limit on a finite planet, and externalize the costs, in a system that requires endless growth, there is no real prospect of making the drastic changes necessary to head off a very painful future.
Just because a study was conducted decades in the past does not mean we can’t learn from it, even with a measure of skepticism toward peak-oil fast-collapse scenarios. If we reach still further back in time, Rosa Luxemburg’s words haunt us still: Socialism or barbarism.

onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 1:59 pm
Good and honest articles like this are a rarity. So yes the whole global civilization should now be geared to preparing for a collapse that will be uneven and unpredictable in its dimensions and timing. Nevertheless, business as usual will cease shortly for all inhabitants of planet Earth. In the background, climate change lurks ready to bring even worse calamity to all. We are just tasting the prelude now to the main events to come shortly.
freak on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 2:42 pm
Ultimately it is the Bankers that are responsible for the collapse of human civilization and the worlds ecosystems by issuing unsecured debt in all of its forms.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 2:45 pm
Good point Freak.
GregT on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 2:51 pm
Completely agree freak.
HARM on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:15 pm
“Could an Economic Collapse be in Our Near Future?”
short answer: No
Why? Because the “economy” is not real –it’s a purely artificial construct (like “money” itself) which can be programmed and reprogrammed endlessly by TPTB to do whatever they want it to do. So called “Fundamentals” and limits to growth clearly don’t matter, as the latest global housing and stock market bubbles (Great Reflation) have proven.
There are no immutable Laws of Economics that cannot be bent or even broken at will, as the economic resurgence of late –and complete conquest of the world by Wall Street– has proven. Dick “we create our own reality” Cheney –to my utter astonishment and horror– has proven to be 100% correct.
There no longer seems to be a “real” brick-and-mortar functioning economy that must somehow “revert to the mean”, cull the reckless actors, or “obey the Laws of Thermodynamics”, whatever that is supposed to mean.
Today the “economy” is 100% fraud, ZIRP and serial credit bubbles, all designed to enrich the 0.1% at everyone else’s (and nature’s) expense and kick that can away forever. And amazingly, it all has been working brilliantly for 40+ years and counting, with no end in sight.
Where are the consequences? Where are the limits?
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:26 pm
“There no longer seems to be a “real” brick-and-mortar functioning economy that must somehow “revert to the mean”, cull the reckless actors, or “obey the Laws of Thermodynamics”, whatever that is supposed to mean. ” Alas, that is years of living with consequences have done to our psyche. It has made us believe that we can play around with this make believe economic puzzle and walla everything will be just fine. Unfortunately, the laws of Thermodynamics and Physics are alive and well and will assert themselves ever more on our foolish delusions.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:27 pm
without consequences sorry
HARM on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:36 pm
“Unfortunately, the laws of Thermodynamics and Physics are alive and well and will assert themselves ever more on our foolish delusions.”
Some specifics on that how this might actually happen, please. I desperately *want* to believe what you’re saying is true, but I have seen ZERO evidence in my life of “inevitable” consequences even slowing down –much less stopping– the oligarchs and their global Matrix of Alternate Reality.
Until the Economy Matrix rebooted itself and fully reflated everything, with zero consequences for the “bad” actors, I too was convinced that the Age of Consequences was finally upon us. Well… that didn’t last very long, did it?
Looks like the fiction known as our global “economy” does not actually require cheap energy to run on. It supplies its own unlimited perpetual motion supply of fraud and bullshit.
twocats on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:54 pm
Yeah i remember the old trope that the american consumer is 70% of the economy and if that is even mildly altered all hell will break loose. I dont have the numbers but most bottom tier income is spent on rent, basic food and housing. The economy rattles on. Further rounds of store closings should shore up those eps. But still surplus energy abounds. If that indeed were to change seriously. .. i think you will find that the “slowly at first and then all at once” notion will hold true for collapse.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 3:54 pm
Well Harm that is not too difficult. First on the energy front, look at the reeling Fracking and Shale industry as they needed higher returns to stay afloat. Only now with less and less Net energy those higher returns are not going to happen. Oh and look at the stagnant world economy burdened with huge debt. On the ecological front, look how much we are needing to spend to recover from more frequent catastrophes. Harm, realize that our vantage point in rich countries makes it difficult to appreciate how far down the road we are but I must say careful what you wish for as real consequences for rich country denizens are right around the corner. Let me ask you this in the reality of the Earth and its resources, in the reality of how the economy needs a functioning and giving Earth vs the fictitious printing press and Quantum Easing etc. who do you think prevails. It really does not get simpler than that simple but wise Indian proverb, “Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money. ~Cree Proverb
Anonymous on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:11 pm
So, the end result of the gradual depletion of easy, cheap high net energy resources AND a massive overhang of unrepayable debt(in all forms), that the the elites show no show of ever wanting to write off is…..
Throw in increasing demand, mostly due to population pressures, and I guess we have a perfect storm brewing, yes?
HARM on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:13 pm
@onlooker, thanks for the proverb.
I don’t actually *want* a sudden catastrophic collapse. Rather, I’d much prefer a gradual wind-down that over time makes it so obvious that BAU cannot be sustained that even the dimmest idiot realizes that radical change is preferable to extinction. Unfortunately, the Matrix is proving to be so resilient and powerful any such feedback signals are being intercepted and filtered out as “noise”.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:18 pm
Exactly Harm, the biggest con going on is the Con that everything is going along pretty well.
GregT on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:26 pm
“Unfortunately, the Matrix is proving to be so resilient and powerful any such feedback signals are being intercepted and filtered out as “noise”.
That would be location and class specific Harm. The Matrix is only proving to be resilient and powerful to those who have not yet awaken from it. Give it time, morning will come for them as well, as sure as the Sun rises in the east.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:35 pm
Oh and here is a study updating the limits to growth scenario by the eminent scientists from the study done in 1972
http://espas.eu/orbis/sites/default/files/generated/document/en/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
The conclusion is that all signs point out that we are tracking very well with projections made back then. Which means we can expect even more severe consequences very soon for the entire planet and its population.
onlooker on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 4:38 pm
Well talk about serendipity. I just surfed the Web a few second after and found this. Another study of so many already pointing civilization collapse by 2040. Haha, this one actually may be optimistic. https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/uk-government-backed-scientific-model-flags-risk-of-civilisation-s-collapse-by-2040-4d121e455997#.ghcz71frp
HARM on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 6:29 pm
@onlooker,
A few years ago, I would have been convinced by the LTG World3 models and doomerish projections. Now, I’m not at all sure those models –based on limited variables and questionable assumptions– are robust enough aligned closely enough to prove accurate.
We are in uncharted territory here, where none of the old rules seem to apply.
GregT on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 7:04 pm
“We are in uncharted territory here, where none of the old rules seem to apply.”
The old rules of physics, biology, and mathematics, still apply Harm. The LTG are real, and the signs are all around for anybody who is willing to pay attention. I give it 10-15 years max before the shit-storm that is already occurring all across the globe, comes to a neighbourhood near us. If the current drought cycle continues in the US and Canada, I give it less than 10 before all hell breaks loose.
peakyeast on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 7:26 pm
That the TPTB expect collapse in 2040 seems to fit pretty well with their plan that the 100% of the electrical power in 2050 should come from renewables.
But not powering what the citizenry thought it would today and possibly not the renewables they expected either.
🙂
peakyeast on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 7:34 pm
If we look at the limits to growth standard run and follows the food per capita function. It seems to drop off very suddenly – I do not believe the system can survive that trajectory without losing dignity and peace – and there is absolutely no evidence that we will or can change that trajectory to the better willingly.
I personally give it to 2025-2030 for that cliff to materialize – since the above ground problems since 1970 has postponed things a little.
makati1 on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 9:47 pm
A lot of optimists here. LOL. Do any of you Americans see what is happening in your own country?
You have a group of obviously insane people vying for the leadership of your government and one of them will win.
A failing economy that cannot exist without ‘wars of choice’ and will soon need a really big, hot one.
Your social safety nets are full of holes and rotting away.
Obesity is rampant as well as is stupidity, drug addiction and bigotry.
The money printing presses are running full out to support the Wall Street Casino.
And division and chaos is being seeded by the elite to keep your all distracted from the theft of your freedoms and wealth.
If you haven’t left yet, you might want to consider it. I did and moved to a more sane and free country. In my opinion, you may not have long before it will be impossible. The police state is closing the gates. Maybe a few years at best before…
Practicalmaina on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 10:02 pm
Makati feel the Bern brotha, the only option in my eyes. How else are we going to navigate the coming shitstorm. Coal and other fossil fuels are going to be looking for bail outs and more opportunities to funnel money upward to the 1%. I want a leader who realizes that when these huge banks take a stand against fossil fuels it is simply because investing in alts is more profitable and better for their public image. If it was for moral reasons it would have been done years ago, before ff started causing millions of premature deaths annually.
Also obesity substance abuse and other mental health issues can all be traced back to pollution. Bigotry just stems from stupidity and I am sure breathing in the shit we do contributes to that as well.
Boat on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 10:24 pm
Practicalmaina,
Burning Burnie? The US spends 430 billion every month to service the debt. The brunt of the baby boomers hasent even hit yet. Burnie would want to expand social programs we can’t afford.
GregT on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 10:55 pm
“The US spends 430 billion every month to service the debt.”
Which works out to $2847 per month for every employed US citizen, just to ‘service’ the debt. That’s a seriously rude wake-up call Boat. For all intents and purposes, you’re bankrupt.
Boat on Fri, 1st Apr 2016 11:32 pm
GregT,
The deficit is around 428 billion per year. Every year 450 billion is missed by the IRS. 400 B in military over spending. Tax the rich 200 billion and cut social programs 200 billion and bingo were cutting into debt. Lots of money floating around.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:00 am
Boat,
With all of that money floating around, one would wonder why US federal debt alone has increased by 9.3 Trillion dollars in only 7 short years. (Especially if the deficit is 428 billion per year.)
Hmmm, something’s not quite adding up here Boat?
With a total of 64 Trillion in debt, plus 101 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities, I’d say you’re living way beyond your means. Bankruptcy would be a gentle way of putting it. That works out to $500,000 in debt for every man woman and child in the US, or over one Million dollars in debt for every single fully employed American.
theedrich on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 1:23 am
Electing Ø = a Kübler-Ross “denial” of LTG. There is no chance that Georg Sörös, Bill Gates, or other “powerful societal forces,” let alone the largely innumerate masses, will ever understand what our species is facing.
Consider: over the past two decades, the inbred Council of Foreign Relations, stocked with Ph.D.-credentialed analysts and fellows who allegedly know everything, along with the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), have pushed both Repub and Demonic regimes into “democratizing” Allahland (and, as a bonus, Russia as well) by subversion and (especially) military means. Neither the rulers nor the ruled seem to realize that they are responsible for the catastrophic results of this refusal to recognize socio-historical realities. Instead, they keep proposing ever new “solutions” which will only make the current disasters worse. Such willful blindness and groupthink are endemic to humanity in general and the U.S. in particular.
Similarly, few overlords — forget the masses — seem to grasp that the Limits To Growth are already upon us. Without exception, our masters and mistresses either finger-point or propose primitive communism as the answer. Only a single voice proposes even stopping the import of Limits-transgressing, fast-breeder primitives into Whiteland, and that voice is attacked with all of the vitriol of which the media are capable. Thus there is no possibility of avoiding collapse. We love escapism too much.
marmico on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 5:30 am
With all of that money floating around, one would wonder why US federal debt alone has increased by 9.3 Trillion dollars in only 7 short years. (Especially if the deficit is 428 billion per year.)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, U.S. household net worth has increased $30 trillion in only 7 short years.
Tiny Brain GreggieTee is an innumerate.
Practicalmaina on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 9:23 am
How many trillion we piss away in the middle east?
Practicalmaina on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 9:29 am
Also boat how are we not going to expand social programs? When the baby boomers are all in retirement homes the options are 1 print more money or 2 euthanasia, you’re choice I suppose, either way social security will only be a memory when I get to retirement age.
US net household has increased 30 trillion? Where the fuck did you get that every man woman and child has an extra hundred gs to their name? I know anyone in the bottom 50% has barely seen a dime of that.
Practicalmaina on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 9:35 am
Also boat how are we not going to expand social programs? When the baby boomers are all in retirement homes the options are 1 print more money or 2 euthanasia, you’re choice I suppose, either way social security will only be a memory when I get to retirement age.
Also how did you get 400 billion for military over spending?
US net household has increased 30 trillion? Where the fuck did you get that every man woman and child has an extra hundred gs to their name? I know anyone in the bottom 50% has barely seen a dime of that.
Cloud9 on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 9:39 am
Creative bookkeeping kept ENRON going for quite some time. It did not prevent the collapse. What it did do was cover the cracks in the foundation that caused a lot of sensible people to stay on a sinking ship. Fraud let the party go on longer than it should have causing a lot more harm to a lot more people when the curtain finally came down.
The gun purchases by civilians, the militarization of local police departments, the arming up of federal agencies tells me that the many inside and outside the government are gaming the collapse.
The 2010 German Army study put the date somewhere around 2020. I think insiders will spook before that crashing the system.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 10:39 am
Practicalmaina,
“Also boat how are we not going to expand social programs? When the baby boomers are all in retirement homes”
You need to understand the government is not responsible for the care of it’s citizens. They were never designed or taxes collected for full care. Only a partial help.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 11:44 am
“You need to understand the government is not responsible for the care of it’s citizens.”
Coming from you Boat, a comment like this is not at all surprising. Your government is supposed to be representative of the people, not responsible for them, or above them.
Your indoctrination has been a complete success, comrade.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 11:51 am
“Where the fuck did you get that every man woman and child has an extra hundred gs to their name?”
The real estate bubble driven by mainly by ZIRP. In reality, much of that 30 Trillion is debt, and owned by the TBTF banks.
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:09 pm
“You need to understand the government is not responsible for the care of it’s citizens.”
Well then, I come they take so much taxes from us.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:32 pm
GregT,onlooker
The US system was never designed to provide retirement and health care. If that were true taxes would have been much higher.
Socialism has not been voted in. Personal responsibility for yourself and your family is a citizen obligation. We are taught this at an early age and many of us actually plan, prepare and thrive in this system.
onlooker on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:48 pm
Yes and the US system was also not designed to give tax breaks to corporations, or be bribed into submission by big money or have our hard earned money used to bail our “too big” to fail banks. The US system was intended to be a government of the people, for the people and by the people. Does anyone seriously believe that is the case. If you do I have some magic potion to sell you that will let you live forever haha.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:54 pm
onlooker,
“Yes and the US system was also not designed to give tax breaks to corporations, or be bribed into submission by big money or have our hard earned money used to bail our “too big” to fail banks”.
Now your switching subjects. I used to agree with but as time has gone by
Boat on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 12:59 pm
I used to agree with you but as time has gone by the bailout was paid back with interest. The damage to the economy could have been a lot worse.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 1:14 pm
“Yes and the US system was also not designed to give tax breaks to corporations, or be bribed into submission by big money or have our hard earned money used to bail our “too big” to fail banks”.
Those would be characteristic of socialism Boat. Correct, something that ‘has not been voted in’. You no longer live in a free market capitalistic, democratic, country. You live in a corpocracy, or in other words, a fascist state.
“Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 1:28 pm
Boat making up excuses for a failed system. Actually not failed just failed for the 99%.
Oxfam says wealth of richest 1% equal to other 99%
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475
The 1% are laughing their asses off….especially at true believer defender retards like Boat.
Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 1:31 pm
I wonder what happen after the 7th largest economy tanks? Domino me thinks.
Brazil’s downward spiral a global tragedy
http://www.thestar.com/business/2016/04/01/brazils-downward-spiral-a-global-tragedy-olive.html
makati1 on Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 7:46 pm
Yes, the US is Fascist. Has been since at least the turn of the century. Only the most brainwashed cannot see it. Democracy was never 100% true. Ask any minority. Citizens in name only, not equality. But, it will soon be obvious. The US has 300,000,000+ guns in the hands of it’s citizens. Soon they will come out to play. Then the new civil war begins … or the revolution. Definitely chaos. It should be interesting … if you do not live there.
Pass the popcorn.
healthy kangaroo on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 6:28 am
After reading tasteless article and comments below, I wonder how many stupid people are still on this Earth?
Facts do not count for them, but sick imagination only. Definitely I noticed that the number of fanatics of new religion on environment (read green terrorism) fell by more than half from the peak of hysteria in 2008-9,
i.e. on global warming, peak oil, etc. from forecasting imminent end of the world. What surprises me, gloomy virus renews like a nightmare, new students follow DEFILED science.
I strongly believe, from following such contaminated science, people suffer from self-induced depression and their conditions are worsening.
I’m not surprised by statistics, that more and more ‘environmental scientists’ are committing suicide …since 2009 ! Hope, it is the best cure for this plague.
Practicalmaina on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 6:42 am
Wow you’re a dipshit. You’re from down unda? How’s the hole in the ozone or occasional crushing heat, you get some extreme brush fires down there pretty frequently huh?? Or how bought the great Barrier reef experiencing record bleaching. Australia, the land where mans un-calculated actions become appareng quick, for example, the dingo or cain toad, two eco system altering critters both introduced man. Let’s see what else, you’re wealthiest family was mine owners, and they worked with cat and other heavy equipment manufacturers to automate some equipment to eliminate good paying jobs. I only point that out because your passion for ignorance only makes sense to me if you’re on the take from some planet damaging industry.
healthy kangaroo on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 7:45 am
Hi Yankee troll
Wow wow wow
seems like you know better Australia than me !
…ha ha ha
Stop watching stultifying sensacional media and reading faked ‘wowowonvi-science’.
Come around and I’d shaw you downunder reality.
It’s true, your pome brothers brought a lot of dipshit here …and pests to this land.
It’s also true, we suffer from evolutional disasters due to human behaviour, like frogs you mentioned, but we have the cleanest environment on the World, because we care more about it than anyone else on the World.
We have deep knowledge about our great Barrier reef, it’s not human activity causing that …it’s in accordance to multi-year natural cycle. Mate, stop bullshiting about bleaching …you are clattering idiot.
What we don’t like? …rude and stupid people, like you for example
…trying to teach us something stupid and
spreading hypocritical and thieving judo-yankee propaganda.
I strongly believe, America is still great !
…unfortunately, there are more and more people like you there …
God save America !
G’bye
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:22 am
Healthy is mentally unhealthy, as are most of those down under. They are killing their own environment and are headed for the trash can
They bet it all on iron and mining and China pulled their plug. They don’t have anything else to save them.
Why? Well, maybe because they have stuck their head up the Imperial ass and think they have protection from the bad Chinese. Problem is, they only painted a big bulls-eye on their country that the Chinese might target in the coming war. Or maybe they will just be ignored as the dinky helpless country that really are. I’m going to enjoy the show. Pass the popcorn.
Practicalmaina on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:42 am
You laugh about people who care about the environment taking their own lives, and I am a rude Yankee troll. Bahahaha
You know what’s bleaching the reef, you a marine biologist mate? Best environmental record? How are those poisoned rabitts doing down there? You’re whole continent is covered with invasive species, including you.
Repent on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:54 am
A better question than ‘Is collapse near’, is what can our civilization learn from decades of hard economics, and squandered opportunities for change?