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BP predicts “peak oil” will hit between 2025 and 2040
Oil major BP has outline six main trends which could “shape the future” of energy.
The company said energy transitions this year will look at a “dominant fuel” with gas growing faster than any other fossil fuel.
It will see a sharp change in price coupled with such agreements like the 2015 Paris agreement which aims to keep the global temperature rise by below two degrees.
Meanwhile, the firm said there is much more of a focus around peak oil from a demand side which will gradually start to decline.
Broad consensus has suggested “peak oil” the peak oil window will be between the years of 2025 and 2040.
However the report added there was still “considerable uncertainty” surrounding this.
BP’s head of long-term planning, Dominic Emery, said the company was also preparing for a world where power comes increasingly from renewable sources.
Both wind and solar power have been growing faster than fossil fuels from a low cost base and government subsidies in many regions.
The report adds: “The growth of renewables has exceeded pretty much all forecasts. There has been double-digit growth for wind and solar in the past few years and because the manufacturing
costs have come down as well, cost reductions have been about 80% in solar and about 50% in wind.
“However, what that ignores is the cost of intermittency because, of course, the sun does not shine all the time and the wind does not blow all the time.
“Therefore, in many places the existing grid and the existing fossil system are used to back up supply when energy from renewables is not available.”
BP said the transport sector is also expected to change significantly with electric vehicles, driverless vehicles and new types of business.
The final analysis from the company said the change energy landscape will also be influenced by the differing demand needs.
It said the energy needs of those born post-1980 are likely to change both consumption and work patterns.
In the OECD (Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development) countries, there is no energy growth expected due to efficiency gains.
53 Comments on "BP predicts “peak oil” will hit between 2025 and 2040"
Midnight Oil on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:41 am
Will that be around the time of peak population?
Post 1980’s generation will have different energy needs… Maybe bees waxed candles perhaps?..LOL
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:41 am
Renewable energy investment fell 18% in 2016: study
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-renewable-energy-investment-fell.html
rockman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:42 am
“Broad consensus has suggested “peak oil” the peak oil window will be between the years of 2025 and 2040.” First, rather sexist just to poll a bunch of women. Second, no one asked the old broad I live what her expectations were.
“…the report added there was still “considerable uncertainty” surrounding this.”
But, hey, just because one cannot do something correctly doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:45 am
Well, that’s quite different picture than ASPO-2000 and Richard Heinberg painted around 2005-2012.
“The growth of renewables has exceeded pretty much all forecasts. There has been double-digit growth for wind and solar in the past few years and because the manufacturing costs have come down as well, cost reductions have been about 80% in solar and about 50% in wind.
Nothing is going to stop us, not even Donald.
USA and Russia… two gas stations masquerading as countries.lol
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:47 am
Renewable energy investment fell 18% in 2016: study
Yeah right, in money terms, not kWh. Learn to read and understand at the same time:
Global investment in renewable energy dropped by 18 percent in 2016 due to sharp falls in equipment prices and a slowdown in China and Japan, a study found Thursday.
Lucifer on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 9:54 am
“The peak oil window will be between 2025-2040”.From a demand side,lol. Such pie in the sky stuff imo. The supply side will decline before 2025, then shortly after that all hell will break loose. I am ready for that, are all of you?
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:20 am
“The peak oil window will be between 2025-2040”.From a demand side,lol. Such pie in the sky stuff imo.
Sharp thinking!
Now what will cause shrinking demand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9PykR5bHo
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:30 am
cloggie, I can read fine. You can’t. Well at least you can’t read my mind nor anyone else’s. You don’t have a fucking clue as to my thoughts on that particular link I just posted because I did not include a comment with it. So you decided my thoughts for me right? Filled in the blank/narrative with your over active senior citizen imagination. That’s another form of lying you know. This is far from the first time – it’s your modus operandi in fact. All your assumptions/certainties of others thoughts and motives and leaps to conclusions, based on little or no evidence or bad evidence. is typical of the paranoid conspiracy brain. Have you always suffered that cognitive impairment or is it a byproduct of your old age? It’s similar to how you always know what Trump and Putin are thinking and all their plans. Next time I post a link without an accompanying comment, don’t assume to know my thoughts on the matter and try and write about them. Anyone who has read my comments on alts knows I have no strong feelings on the matter one way or the other. As with all things, I do not advocate. Anyone with even rudimentary reading compression skills knows that.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:39 am
Well at least you can’t read my mind
Yes I can, since you broadcast it around the clock, a tous azimuts:
– humans are cancer monkeys
– the world should not exist
– we are all f*
– in a century it is over
– any effort to do something about it is futile
– Arabs invented Algebra
– Republicans should be shot
Nihilism^2
Kenz300 on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:44 am
Electric vehicles are the future. No emissions.
Another Big Automaker Just Fell Into Its Own ‘Dieselgate’ Scandal |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fiat-chrysler-dieselgate-emissions_us_5877a06de4b092a6cae58d32
VW should have spent their money developing all electric vehicles rather than wasting money on polluting diesels.
Climate Change is real. It will impact all of us and all future generations
Cheating on emissions testing should be prosecuted and people should go to jail.
6 Volkswagen Executives Charged as Company Pleads Guilty in Emissions Case –
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/business/volkswagen-diesel-vw-settlement-charges-criminal.html?emc=edit_th_20170112&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=21372621&_r=0
Kenz300 on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:46 am
Solar is now cheaper than coal. Cheaper Wins !
Renewables Provide Majority of New US Generating Capacity through November 2016
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2017/01/renewables-provide-majority-of-new-us-generating-capacity-through-november-2016.html
How Exxon & The Koch Brothers Have Funded Climate Denial – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXm6ihnWN4A
Sissyfuss on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 10:59 am
Lucifer, you have no worries. Where you reside the geothermal potential is unlimited.
Boat on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:19 am
Clog,
The Saudi is the other gas station but even they just reported a 30-50 billion spending program on renewables by 2023. Putin in all his mastermind brilliance has yet to figure out renewables is the new path.
forbin on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:20 am
if anyone want to see a major industrial country using its renewable resources
http://gridwatch.co.uk/
we have a this stage a backup gen capacity to cover the gap , theres about 13.5 GW capacity of wind turbines btw. and at the time of writing I see 0.8GW supplied . the monthly graphs show this is a low
we use HVAC lines too
until we can get that tidal lagoon going ( even then apparently thats producing 14 hours a day , not 24 )
and some more nukes we will remain a fossil fuel dependent
Forbin
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:23 am
Forbin, it is only 2017.
The plan is 2050.
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:25 am
Clogfag, that’s not reading, that’s me telling you. BTW, you and the other dopamine chasing cancer monkey’s (especially boomers) are the real nihilists with your unnecessary (80%) and biosphere destroying consumerism and robbing from future generations. Insatiable as any street junkie. I guess doubly so for an old fuck like you who could keel over any day now eh? Get as many consumer dopamine squirts in as you can before you cease to exist – the meaning of your meaningless life. All your little cultural, racial, nationalistic fantasies are constructs designed to sooth your existential fears. Just more secular religion. Something for terrified little monkeys with primitive tribal brains to cling to.
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:30 am
Boat,
“Renewable energy in Russia mainly consists of hydroelectric energy. The country is the sixth largest producer of renewable energy in the world”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Russia
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 11:33 am
Boat, I know.
It was merely a sneer against warmonger McCain.
I hope the US and Russia will vastly improve relations.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 12:20 pm
Renewable energy in Russia mainly consists of hydroelectric energy. The country is the sixth largest producer of renewable energy in the world
That’s the easiest form of renewable energy and was largely exhausted in the developed world before the Report of the Club of Rome came out.
penury on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 12:29 pm
I lose track, what were BPs five previous forecasts?
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 12:55 pm
Those of you bitching about the swamp and Trump consider this:
“Why Outsiders Need Insiders To Get Anything Done”
http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2017/01/why-outsiders-need-insiders-to-get.html
“Readers ask a reasonable question: if Trump is a political Outsider, then why has he stuffed his staff with Insiders–Goldman Sachs alumni, generals, etc.?”
“Outsiders can be effective in meeting their policy goals (i.e. “success”), but they need Insiders who know how to get things done within a self-serving Establishment that is highly resistant to Outsiders and institutional reforms.”
“I would argue the surest way to fail as a president is to stock your administration with Outsiders — especially True Believer Outsiders who view entrenched, self-serving Insiders with utter disdain.”
“To get anything done in a culture of entrenched interests, one must either have an overwhelming political mandate to dismantle the entire machine–Trump does not–or you need Insiders who know the pressure points of the system and its key players–in effect, Insiders who know how to slip a political stiletto into the kidneys of key players and twist the blade to get done what would otherwise be impossible. Insiders know (or can find out) who the politicized brown-nosers and incompetents are that must be cashiered if anything is going to change for the better. Outsiders are tempted to “clean house,” a strategy that can backfire as entrenched interests hunker down and await the inevitable failure of the reforms. It boils down to this: you need Insiders who are loyal to an Outsider and an Outsider agenda to accomplish any real reforms. Outsiders are easy prey for polished, self-serving Insiders. You need Insiders who can beat the entrenched interests at their own game, and weed out the toxic institutionalized leadership that resists reforms out of self-aggrandizement rather than principle. We’ll just have to wait and see if Trump’s Insiders are loyal to an Outsider and an Outsider agenda or not. Time will tell.”
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 1:16 pm
“That’s the easiest form of renewable energy and was largely exhausted in the developed world before the Report of the Club of Rome came out.”
It’s also as close to renewable as it gets, but in reality is not, without fossil fuels.
penury on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 1:48 pm
Insiders? versus outsiders? Ever worked in an organization? Insiders are the people who are positioned to control the actions of the ‘elected or appointed” figureheads appointed over them. To accomplish anything the first and hardest part is to eliminate the peeople.
Dredd on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 2:06 pm
Big pollution (BP) has no right to give warnings (Alarmists Unite !).
They are the consummate example of “where are my people, I must find them because I am their leader.”
Boat on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 2:15 pm
Siemens thinks thy will have offshore wind down to .10 a kW and by 2025 .82 kW. This includes the line and connection to grids.
Wind turbines May last as long as 40 years. Instead of tearing them down replacement parts is looking to the cheaper alternative. Turbines built in the 90’s are also getting upgrades that will produce more electricity.
The story of wind is ever changing. A report by th DOE thinks with transmission line installations overall renewable could handle up to 35 percent without to much difficulty. The US goal is 10 percent renewables by 2020. 20 percent by 2025 and 35 percent by 2035.
Many doomers think we’ll be dead by then but for the rest of the survivors I am thinking these estiments are to low. If wind will provide 8 cent and below electricity those paying a lot more will be at a serious economic disadvantage. Can’t wait for the EROI on these 40 year turbines.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 2:57 pm
It’s also as close to renewable as it gets, but in reality is not, without fossil fuels.
Already written that letter to the EU commission Greg and informed them that there 100% renewable energy policy, designed for 500 million people and backed by the best engineers, is futile because, you see, renewable energy sources can’t exist without fossil fuel.
If it is too much trouble for you I will gladly write the letter myself and elevate myself to eternal fame in the process.
But in order to have success I need arguments. I am sure that, after repeated request, you will finally post a link to scientific paper that supports your theories.
Some day.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 2:58 pm
Siemens thinks thy will have offshore wind down to .10 a kW and by 2025 .82 kW. This includes the line and connection to grids.
Wind turbines May last as long as 40 years.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/offshore-wind-life-expectancy/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/gold-mine-north-sea/
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 3:22 pm
Boat, let’s see the quote of any Doomer on this site who has said the humans will be gone by 2035. Other than Dr Guy McPherson (biologist) and a handful of his followers, I don’t know of any Doomers, and I know and read most of them, who have made such a claim. You’re starting to tell tall tales like clog liar. Just make some shit up to strengthen your narrative eh? Oh well, you are from Texas after all.
I see y’all Houston Cancers got another AGW jack Rain Bombing the other day.
Houston Swamped by Flooding; Cars Stranded, Dozens of Water Rescues Reported
https://weather.com/news/news/houston-flooding-heavy-rain-latest-news
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 3:51 pm
Davy, so were you lying for years or just misinformed and have now changed your mind? I just ask because for years you have been writing detailed posts on global and national systemic failings. How can insiders save a system that is not salvageable? The same insiders who have been calling the shots and are most responsible (all the while profiting) for the system being as fucked as it is? Hell, I have even see your posts in the comments section at Dr George Mobus’s site where you agree with his system analysis (fucked).
I am unwilling to spend the time to examine all of Trumps sub human insiders (doesn’t matter), but this one fell in my lap and I think he is pretty much representative of the types of insiders who will be taking over. I’m sure they will take care of y’all real good – tell yourself.
Donald Trump’s EPA Pick Imperils Science—And Earth
Scott Pruitt has questioned whether toxic mercury is a public health danger, shut down his environmental unit while contamination soared and put industry interests before the public’s
http://time.com/4635162/scott-pruitt-science-denial/
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 3:51 pm
Houston Swamped by Flooding; Cars Stranded, Dozens of Water Rescues Reported
Here a flooding from my home town in 1926:
http://www.eindhoveninbeeld.com/foto.php?foto=499&sel=groep
As you see, my home town was a very advanced early adopter of “Climate Change”.
Seriously Friday, do yourself a favor and seek professional psychiatric help.
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 4:44 pm
In case you missed my reply last time cloggie,
From your European commission itself:
“A European Energy Union that will ensure secure, affordable and climate-friendly energy for EU citizens and businesses by allowing a free flow of energy across national borders within the EU, and bringing new technologies and renewed infrastructure to cut household bills, create jobs and boost growth.”
Infinite exponential growth, on a finite planet, is a mathematical and physical impossibility. If they can’t even figure out such a simple concept, I wouldn’t put so much faith in them grasping the fact that there is no such thing as renewable energy. The more serious predicaments faced by the EU will not be solved with alternate electric power generation anyways. Best just to ignore them, and focus on another non-renewable source of energy, which also requires non-renewable resources. One of them being fossil fuels.
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 4:55 pm
Another load of rubbish from those same said experts of yours cloggie:
“Safety across the EU’s energy sectors with strict rules on issues such as the disposal of nuclear waste and the operation of offshore oil and gas platforms”
And another:
“The completion of the internal energy market by reaching an electricity interconnection target of 15% between EU countries by 2030, and pushing forward important infrastructure projects.” Also non-renewable.
https://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-strategy
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 4:58 pm
Ape, didn’t you just have this conversation with your buddy Clogger about him putting words in your mouth or something. I guess for some reason these actions with somebody else is ok if you are the one doing it not the other way around. If you will review the original comment I only asked for consideration. I wasn’t asking for a lecture.
I have maintained all along Trump will likely fail at his elaborate policies of growth and change. He will likely succeed at destructive change at certain levels. US society is now extremely polarized since this election process began. Trump is going to have so many arrows coming at him he won’t know which way to duck. He will have the initial period of success but then the hard part comes and with it a midterm elections. People will have him figured out by then. He will likely be stalled at the castle gates with winter approaching in 2 years.
What I care about is the dismantling of the dominance of the neoliberals and neocons. I am also hopping he guts the intelligence services. He will likely fill them back up with undesirables but the fact that a group that has had absolute power for so long has been battered and bloodied is a victory in my book. There is no salvaging this system except to slow the decay. On some levels Trump will hasten the decay with for example globalism. He may in the process allow the US to go more isolationist. Maybe we can take NUK war off the table at least the edge of the table. We may see Trump deflate the NWO assholes like Soros et all.
My reference to Trump being an outsider and having his team insiders is mainly in regards to his survival. He may escape assassination because of this insider team he has created. He must have swayed these people with his an outsider vision but with insider rewards. He will use insiders in his administration and in the Republican Party to make some serious changes to trade and foreign relations. Unlike most politicians he means what he campaigned for. He is going after his vision. All the whining about climate and environmental issues is another story. I am not sure how far he will take these issues. I think it will be superficial and no real gutting will occur. He has too many projects in the works. He will be limited to what he can achieve. These issues are controversial and the risk reward not good enough.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:04 pm
That’s not an answer to my question, even though I sympathize with your rejection of infinite growth.
The question whether is infinite growth is possible (it is not) and whether you can generate energy from a renewable source without fossil fuel, are two completely different things.
There is a lot I reject about the EU, to put it very mildly, but there is no reason to doubt their pure technological-scientific competence: they get satellites in orbit, can setup an aviation industry that can compete with the US, build broad-band networks, develop high-speed trains, etc., etc.
So if they endeavor to set up a fossil-fuel free energy base, it can be assumed that they did their homework and didn’t violate some mysterious principle that will forbid that it will ever work. In reality the share of renewable energy is rapidly growing and steadily replacing fossil. The amount of CO2 the EU is emitting is declining, probably the only one in the world.
Again my point: energy=energy. You can convert electricity from solar and wind in hydrogen or CH4, with which you drive mining machines or even fly planes, if you would care about these things.
Today another solar project was completed in Holland:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/19/solar-project-completed-in-the-netherlands/
7500 households. In a few months an even larger project will be completed for 22,000 households.
2016: 500 MW new capacity. Rate is rapidly growing.
If you go one like this until 2050, you eventually will reach your goal and have a decent renewable, fossil fuel free energy base and all these horror visions like Olduvai Gorge will not have materialized.
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:15 pm
Davy, if you go back and compare fuck wads comment to me, with mine to you, the difference is obvious. I asked you a question. It may have had a teeny tiny bit of sarcasm in it, but it was a legit question nonetheless and it was based on the combination of your link and comment and my 3 years of reading your comments on the failing system. Clogtard did not ask me a question, nor should he have since I made no comment and merely shared an article for informational purposes. The only question he should have asked is my thoughts on the article. Instead, he told them to me then condemned me for them. See the difference?
Speaking of that sick old clog-fuck, I just came across this video compilation of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzO91CYO4Ho
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:20 pm
Until such time that someone demonstrates a large scale build out of alternate electric power generation without the use of non-renewable resources, or fossil fuel inputs, they will remain non-renewable.
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:24 pm
Clog, energy=energy is correct and then it get very messy. You forget about the costs and there is something called an economy. For you money is just a distraction. It must be a European thing since you guys are great at the state paying for so many things in socialistic way. Now look at Europe. You are broke. People will not be able to afford planes that run on exotic fuels. Some of what you are saying is legit but much of it is just dreamy hopium. You take too much for granted Clog in regards to how we are going to fund this fantasy world you techno optimist have dreamed up.
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:29 pm
Now you are rationalizing yourself. Ape man you can’t have it both ways. Try talking with people and not at them and maybe you will figure it out.
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 5:48 pm
Davy, how so? I just broke it down for you in retard simple terms. Saying I’m rationalizing doesn’t mean anything if you can’t demonstrate it. Reread my last comment for an example of how it’s done properly.
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 6:15 pm
Just fuckin with you Ape. Are you capable of down shifting a gear? WTF, is everything about winning the biggest head award? I enjoy many of your post but dealing with you is like hemorrhoids.
makati1 on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 6:26 pm
Ap, Davy is a “Patriotic U$ Citizen”. You should not have the audacity to have an opinion different then his. Do you see the similarity between him and the attitude of the country he lives in and supports?
He runs a farm, with animals, he says, but has hours to read all of the comments and write long piles of bullshit in reply, that ALWAYS supports his brainwashed view of the world.
We all have our opinions based on our knowledge, intelligence and life experiences. There are 7+ billion of them in the world. But when one denies obvious reality, it can only be from a very successful brainwashing. We have a few of those here. lol
I express my opinion, and often back it up with references, as do you. They are often ignored or put down as false, fake, blind, etc, if they picture the world different than he believes. So be it. His loss. I like where I live and will stay here. Based on my knowledge and experience, it is the best place to be now.
BTW: I do not read comments much longer than a few sentences or a few short paragraphs. And here I go writing one! LOL.
Boat on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 6:39 pm
greggiet,
The sun that feeds the panel, the wind that propels the turbine, the water that propels the turbine. That’s what labels these technologies as renewables. Not the materials and energy to make them. But since there is no danger of running out of FF anytime soon, who cares. As renewables replace larger shares of btu consumption the cleaner. If the world never reaches 100 percent renewable, who cares. There will always be oil in the ground. Renewables will just be cheaper to make the products out of. Your word games will not survive the test of time. Lol
Davy on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 6:49 pm
Makati, I respect Ape. You on the other hand are fake. You guys are worlds apart in the treatment of reality. You are compromised and illegitimate. The fantasy farm is a perfect example. I guess I got under your skin becuase you used to brag about ignoring me even though you didn’t. Just more fake shit.
Cloggie on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 7:00 pm
I enjoy many of your post but dealing with you is like hemorrhoids
That is because Friday is one giant hemorrhoid. I’ll prefer makati any time of the day, he has at least inner civilization and the courage of his convictions, no illusions about the intentions of the US empire before Trump and understands who runs the US. He could be a little more loyal to his own people, though.
Friday is vulgar to the core and a psycho.
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 7:02 pm
Davy, if I had your address, I’d send you a couple of big tubes of Preparation-H just to make it up to you.
makati1 on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 7:15 pm
Davy, it’s hard to ignore the stench that emits from your big pile of bullshit. And , besides, I like to put you down. You ask for it all the time. lol
My world is real. I am no longer drenched in propaganda like you are, 24/7/365. I feel sorry for your family, if you have one, because they are trapped in a country that is going to hurt them badly in the years to come. Think Nazi Germany on steroids.
I am sorry that my own family will be there also. I can only advise them. Their life is theirs to do with as THEY see fit. No longer my responsibility.
When you crawl out of the gutter and stop waving that blood stained, immoral, greedy, shredded flag, you might be a decent person, but I will not hold my breath. Go back to your pretend farm and do something worthwhile with your life while you still can. Writing long rants on here is not prepping for the future but it might be giving you a false sense of importance, just like the U$ has.
Apneaman on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 7:35 pm
Clogsnob, just because I’d like to kick your dentures half way down your throat then take a piss on you while you are choking to death on them doesn’t make me a psycho.
GregT on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 7:55 pm
Boat,
“The sun that feeds the panel, the wind that propels the turbine, the water that propels the turbine. That’s what labels these technologies as renewables.”
Human beings have labelled man made alternate electric power generators as renewable. They are not. They are products of modern industrialism, and modern industrialism has been made possible entirely because of fossil fuels.
And also Kevin, without the Sun, there would be no wind, and no water cycle. The Sun is our one and only source of energy, and even the Sun itself is not renewable.
Calling these man made energy collectors renewable, is misleading, and is creating a false sense of security. They are not long term solutions, and as a matter of fact, they will do nothing more than add to mankind’s greatest problem. Over population.
makati1 on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 8:15 pm
Cloggie, we disagree on a lot of things, but you at least see me as I am and yes, I do put down the U$ and its sheeple. I would have more respect for them if there was a revolution by those same sheeple that takes back their country. Not going to happen. The freebees and lack of education plus excess brainwashing will prevent it. They are afraid of being forced to rely on themselves and not the government. 99% of Americans are ‘snowflakes’ today. So sad.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on some things. I’ll try to ease up on the heavy hand regarding our differences of opinion, but I will not ease up on the Missouri farmer. He is the Poster boy of American bullshit/exceptionalism and deserve the put downs.
Boat on Thu, 19th Jan 2017 8:30 pm
greggiet,
Glad to see you have changed your mind. Population is a problem. Tech, FF, capitalism etc has never been. Lol just to many that want it. Climate change should take care of that at some point.