–Ronald Reagan, talking to students at Moscow State University, May 31st, 1988.
Gas prices are plummeting like the bit of an oil drill, straight and true, through one geological layer after another and then suddenly taking a horizontal turn and affecting all the rest of the economy, not to mention every other aspect of American power, diplomacy and leadership in the world.
Remember the Energy Crisis, the inevitability of Peak Oil, and how the price of a barrel of oil would increase from here to eternity, never receding?
Recall how we would never break free of OPEC’s oligopoly with its ever tighter grip on the world’s oil supply? How doom and gloom were everywhere? In short, remember malaise and the Carter Years?
Now imagine the opposite. You don’t have to imagine it. Just look around and savor the moment–and all the moments, all the years, ahead for America the oil power.
Ronald Reagan, that cockeyed optimist, told us there’d be days like this if only we’d give the economy its head, let American entrepreneurs and innovators compete freely, forget wage-and-price controls, and watch the price of oil drop and American productivity rise. But who believed him?
Headlines like the one on the front page of Saturday’s paper would have been hard to envisage back then: “Utilities in state to lower gas bills/ Well prices drop, pare winter rates.”
If you doubt the steady diet of good news in your daily paper, just take a look at your natural gas bills starting this month. All three of the state’s natural gas companies have just filed lower rates with the state’s Public Service Commission:
Centerpoint’s customers are to pay 19 percent less than they did last year.
Arkansas Oklahoma Gas is to begin charging its customers 21 percent less come this winter.
SourceGas Arkansas, which serves some 160,000 customers across northern and Northwest Arkansas, is expected to start charging them 23 percent less a month in the future.
Everything is coming up savings, which means there’ll be more money for investment, and more jobs as the petroleum industry–and all those it fuels–grows along with the rest of the economy.
How did all this happen? It’s hard to explain without mentioning the name of one George Phydias Mitchell, the Galveston-born son of Greek immigrants. He had a dream that went by the technical name of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing–or fracking for short. And he pursued it even after he was told his idea would never work. Yet he persisted, and so did his dream. Until finally, despite setback after setback, it has revolutionized the oil industry here and around the world.
It seems the only thing George Mitchell could not accept in his search for a better way to produce oil was defeat. First tested out in the Barnett Shale, his innovation would spread throughout the great Permian Basis in a kind of one-two punch that has revived the great oil fields of West Texas–until Midland looks like the old days again, attracting job-seekers from all over the country. There are fortunes to be made again, dreams to pursue again. America, it turns out, is still America, God bless her.
We could get used to this kind of thing–from lower gas bills in Arkansas to boom times in Texas.
Thank you, George P. Mitchell, and all those who believed and invested in your American dream, and made it come true–for all of us.
Who says America is finished?
Despite all the naysayers who would saddle that dream with tighter regulations, and discourage the creation of more pipelines to get that liquid gold to more markets, and a thousand other ways to stifle freedom, we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
This is still a young country reaching for the stars. And the ride has just begun.
apneaman on Thu, 5th Nov 2015 9:01 pm
Do conservatards actually get inspired by this drivel? May the good lord take a liking to ya and blow ya up real soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8
eugene on Thu, 5th Nov 2015 9:04 pm
I am reminded of addicts who would tell me all was well as they hadn’t used in a month. This thing is far from over. And Reagan, hell he said whatever the highest bidder wanted. But, like the author, untold millions bought the Kool Aid. As far as horizontal drilling/fracking, been around for decades and used successfully in many place. Regardless, we are scraping the bottom of the barrel so there’s an extension to the party. Have a good time folks.
Tom on Thu, 5th Nov 2015 9:52 pm
This guys ignorance prevents him from looking down the rabbit hole to see reality. Must have grown up in Pollyannaville.
makati1 on Thu, 5th Nov 2015 10:40 pm
“This is still a young country reaching for the stars. And the ride has just begun”
Yep! The ride to the bottom is well under way. The stars are just points of light in the polluted sky and always will be.
The US is is not a young county. It is 500+ years since Columbus. Almost 400 since Plymouth Rock. 239 since Independence. Many countries have shorter histories than that.
Tom, Maybe he grew up in Arkansas. About the same as Pollyannaville. Known for the Little Rock incident during the desegregation of schools in 1957.*
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
Generally has a rep of being backwoods, uneducated, hillbilly folks. Arkansas is 45th out of 50 states in education with a D+.**
**http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-on-american-education/
The article reflects those facts. LOL
GregT on Thu, 5th Nov 2015 11:47 pm
Generally has a rep of being backwoods, uneducated, hillbilly folks. Arkansas is 45th out of 50 states in education with a D+.
Arkansas has an even lower standard of education than South Carolina, but who cares about education. It’s not about how you think, it’s all about how you look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
apneaman on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:14 am
Yabut Greg, what about the wicked smart folks that come out of the higher education system like Yale grad neurosurgeons? Some deep critical thinkers there.
Ben Carson: Egyptian pyramids were grain stores, not pharaohs’ tombs
Republican presidential hopeful stands by remarks made in 1998, but criticised ‘scientists’ who he said claimed pyramids were built by ‘alien beings
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/05/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-were-grain-stores-not-pharoahs-tombs?CMP=share_btn_fb
GregT on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:48 am
What abut this shit Apnea?
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world’s economies.
Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s. Adolf Hitler was a major proponent. It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazis came to power in 1933,[2] despite having been exposed as fraudulent by The Times of London in 1921. It is still widely available today in numerous languages, in print and on the Internet, and continues to be presented by some proponents as a genuine document.
Protocol I The Basic Doctrine
Protocol II Economic Wars
Protocol III Methods of Conquest
Protocol IV Materialism Replaces Religion
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars
Protocol VIII Provisional Government
Protocol IX Re-education
Protocol X Preparing for Power
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State
Protocol XII Control of the Press
Protocol XIII Distractions
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression
Protocol XVI Brainwashing
Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority
Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents
Protocol XIX Rulers and People
Protocol XX Financial Programme
Protocol XXI Loans and Credit
Protocol XXII Power of Gold
Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience
Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-full-text-folder.html
GregT on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:59 am
Or do you believe that all of this is merely coincidental? Just a hoax, that over time has become self fulfilling?
apneaman on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 1:19 am
I got a buddy who I have known since I was 13 who believes in that shit. Whaddya gonna do? His Dad and uncles are from Hungry – escapees from the Soviets in 56. The Hungarians had a Nazi party as well. Fuckin whack jobs. Gentiles do just fine subverting their own, so called morals. Anti semitism has it’s roots in early Christianity (sucking up to the Romans). Religion has to be one of the worst byproducts of the ape brain.
Ralph on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 1:49 am
It was not called the Holy Roman Empire for nothing. Christianity was adopted as the official religion of the Roman Empire in the 3rd Century. Without that, it would have faded and disappeared a millennium ago.
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GregT on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 2:53 am
Well Apnea,
I’m surrounded by people who believe that human science is reality. Human science has to be the worst product of the Ape brain. Much worse than spirituality and religion. We aren’t in control here Apnea, and as much as we like to pretend, we don’t have the slightest fucking idea of what is real, or what is not. And by the way, Jews are not semites.
Davy on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 5:14 am
Yea, modern man is the worst product of the Ape brain and will be his downfall. We have built up a system with far too many people that will stop working resulting in 9 out of 10 perishing if we are lucky. If we are lucky this will just be population attrition from shorter lifespans, increased mortality of the weak, and failure to propagate to begin with. I imagine we have at best 10 years of status quo. We have good evidence on runaway climate events beginning. Peak oil and economic collapse are right there in the running.
We opened the box of knowledge. Nature gave us a mild and advantageous climate and the rest is history. If we could have remained at the level of hunter gathers then this surreality of what is reality would not been an issue. In a spiritual sense we have been given the ultimate reality. Nature enjoys nature and only nature can overcome nature. I believe that is paraphrased Egyptian myth. So we knew this thousands of years ago but ignored it. These earlier humans had a place in their group. Their group connected with nature naturally. Enjoy your modern holiday people because there is a shit storm ahead.
I was in bed this morning thinking about starving to death. I know, sounds sick and maybe I am. I abstain from all food on Mondays and Thursdays. I have been doing this consistently for 2 years now. I can give you this advice. You never really get used to hunger. Some days are better than others. This is a basic instinct you must deal with when denied food. Your body reacts to not having your daily ration. Sometimes it is nausea and other times low brain energy. Sometimes I am irritable. This is what the majority of the population will experience soon. Many are already there. Our food chain is close to breaking and we have no clue. You have to be a farmer to understand this. This is where the large Ape brain has taken us. Intelligence is the hand maiden of hunger.
makati1 on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 5:54 am
For the interested:
http://peakresources.blogspot.se/2015/11/water-stress-in-mediterranean-basin.html
I especially liked the hydroregion map at the beginning and the migration map near the end of the article.
makati1 on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 5:57 am
“This is what the majority of the population will experience soon.”
Hunger will be a shock to the 1st world, but old news in the 3rd.
george on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 6:38 am
america , america, man sheds his waste on thee …
and lines the pines with billboard signs ,
from sea to oily sea.
Davy on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 6:50 am
Mak speaks – Hunger will be a shock to the 1st world, but old news in the 3rd.
Mak, the third world may know hunger in a segment of the population but they do not know starvation on the level coming to them. There is a big difference. No one will be prepared for that. You want to present the third world’ers as super humans and they are not.
onlooker on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 6:56 am
Those with strong military will make sure they are the last ones to starve. Even as we speak the wealthy and their institutions are buying/renting land of Africa.
ghung on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 8:53 am
Yes! More wisdom from the state that gave us Walmart and Mike Huckabee.
BTW: How do you huck a bee?
apneaman on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 11:09 am
Apparently the evil plotting secretive group known as “The Elders of Beijing” are so hell bent on global domination by secretly forcing stupid white people to continue their 100 year dopamine drip consumption orgy that they is gonna burn it all, climate be damned. Later I will list their evil “protocols” – just let me get a few coffees downed so I have the energy to conjure them up. Trust me, they will be really spooky, yet strangely make y’all feel just a tiny bit better in that there is now some omnipotent agency to blame all bad shit on.
Note On Chinese Coal Consumption
“The New York Times reports that Chinese coal consumption has been 17% higher than official statistics suggested in the period 2000-2013 [image left].
And thus China’s CO2 emissions, already the highest in the world, have been much higher than previously thought.
What this means in effect is that every important metric associating global economic growth and energy use (and thus emissions growth) must now be revised—in the wrong direction from a climate change point of view.
Complicating this picture is ongoing uncertainty regarding China’s actual GDP growth numbers. It is clear enough that the official number, which was 6.9% in the latest report, is a political number. Most other guestimates say that China has recently overstated its GDP growth.
All this suggests that China has consistently under-reported emissions while overstating economic performance. These trends make a mockery of happy talk about the “decoupling” of growth and emissions at the global level.”
more
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2015/11/note-on-chinese-coal-consumption.html
shortonoil on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 11:26 am
“Everything is coming up savings, which means there’ll be more money for investment, and more jobs as the petroleum industry–and all those it fuels–grows along with the rest of the economy.”
Actually everything is coming up broke! Which is not quit the same thing?
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Only-1-Percent-Of-Bakken-Shale-Is-Profitable-At-These-Prices.html
We have been saying for almost two years now that a company in the energy business that does not produce energy is not making money. The average Bakken well stops supplying energy to the economy after about 70,000 barrels, or 10 months. Shale was just another financial Ponzi scheme like the MBS market. It was sold as “everything is coming up savings” too.
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/
jjhman on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:16 pm
Apneaman:
I have to comment on your comments about China. Earlier this week I read that China has brought 700 million people out of extreme poverty since the 1980s. They have done this by ignoring everything the west has learned about the dangers of polluting the air, water and land they live on. First you have to say that the Chinese leadership is certainly a lot more caring of their citizenry than we are generally led to believe.
But then you have to realize the staggering long consequences of their choices to not only their own people but the the entire ecosystem that supports all of us. It really is the delimma that the whole world faces and it turns out, I think, that as long as the trade off is comfort today vs disaster tomorrow, humans are only capable of making one choice, the wrong one.
I’ve spent some time recently trying to find a “sustainability” group that I found credible. I don’t think one exists. All that I have found seem to assume that some kind of “right thinking” will prevail eventually and everyone will work for a future free of greed, competition and materialism. Lots of luck with that. People who think like that never obtain positions of power and the ability to effect change on a large scale.
BC on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:36 pm
Apart from ignoring idontknowmyself and hoping s/he goes away, any suggestions about how to rid the site of the annoyance?
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idontknowmyself on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:48 pm
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-full-text-folder.html
VS
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BC on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:49 pm
short is precisely correct about the shale Ponzi scheme.
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The 5- and 9-year average rates of US oil production are at the highest rates since the late 1920s. The YoY rate has peaked.
But despite the record rates of change for production, US oil production per capita is down 45% since 1970s and at the level of the late 1940s.
The shale boom/bubble is barely a blip along the US oil depletion regime’s trajectory.
https://app.box.com/s/0hroqkg7zym2us8em4k55a36affs4xmc
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=2riE
And now the oil/commodities cycle is turning down as in 1986 and the early 1960s, with the energy sector states in recession.
apneaman on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 12:59 pm
jjhman, I too have looked for a credible group. Not to join, I don’t do groups, but just to see if one actually exists. After years of tireless research, I have, in fact, found just such a sustainability group. I like them and I have coincidentally been practicing some of their philosophy decades before I ever heard of them – no children and pro sodomy are the two main ones. Personally, I feel they could still do more, like advocate for the cessation of all mandatory safety regulations – seat belts, helmets, flotation devices, traffic lights, environmental regulations, etc. That might get me to consider signing up or at least making a generous donation. I’m all for a good cause.
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
“Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth’s biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.”
http://www.vhemt.org/
shortonoil on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 2:43 pm
“And now the oil/commodities cycle is turning down as in 1986 and the early 1960s, with the energy sector states in recession.”
It would be nice to be able to say that things will get worse before they get better. Unfortunately, they aren’t going to get any better. Not all of the costs of producing oil is borne by the producer. Many of their costs are paid for by the jurisdiction from which they operate: roads, bridges, harbors, military, judiciary services, regulation, employee education, health care and adinfinitum. Once the price of oil begins to go down, so does the revenue they derive directly, and indirectly from it. Their contributed expense of producing it goes down long, long after the price. The petroleum production sectors of the economy are going to get hammered.
Makati1 on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 7:12 pm
“…the third world may know hunger in a segment of the population but they do not know starvation on the level coming to the
them”
Rephrase: “the 1st world may know hunger in a segment of the population but they do not know starvation on the level coming to them.” Would be more correct.
Only a small part of the 3rd world is fat or obese, vs a majority of the 1st world. I suppose that proves my comment. A percentage of the population of every country eats well as they are the 1%.
However. There is a difference between a country (US) where few have ever been truly hungry in their whole life and one in which hunger is always present for most of the population.
“…The world produces enough food to feed everyone. For the world as a whole, per capita food availability has risen from about 2220 kcal/person/day in the early 1960s to 2790 kcal/person/day in 2006-08, while developing countries even recorded a leap from 1850 kcal/person/day to over 2640 kcal/person/day. This growth in food availability in conjunction with improved access to food helped reduce the percentage of chronically undernourished people in developing countries from 34 percent in the mid 1970s to just 15 percent three decades later. (FAO 2012, p. 4) The principal problem is that many people in the world still do not have sufficient income to purchase (or land to grow) enough food.”
Source: FAO The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2014 p. 8
Take away the government provided ‘soup lines’ called Food Stamps and you would add ~47,000,000 people to the hunger list in the US alone.
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BC on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 7:59 pm
@short: Once the price of oil begins to go down, so does the revenue they derive directly, and indirectly from it. Their contributed expense of producing it goes down long, long after the price. The petroleum production sectors of the economy are going to get hammered.
The sentiment I personally perceive from the energy and energy-related transport sectors went from surprise but BAU late last year to early this year to denial and defiance in the spring-summer to what appears to be palpable panic as winter approaches.
Bank loan delinquencies and charge-offs for commercial and industrial loans are rising again YoY, a disproportionately larger share owing to direct and indirect bank loans to the energy and energy-related transport sectors, including commercial real estate loans.
The cycle has turned, but the Fed/TBTE banks have convinced the markets that the Fed is going to raise rates in Dec when historically the Fed was cutting rates under the similar conditions I’ve shared, including the market tightening credit and the acceleration of money velocity before the Fed could even begin to raise rates.
Were the Fed to raise rates in Dec-Jan, they would be increasing the price of reserves against the market already tightening and a bear market for junk bonds, the broader equity market in a bear market, and unreal estate prices rolling over.
The Fed erroneously raising rates in the face of structurally weakening credit and industrial conditions would be historically akin to 1937 (raised the reserve requirement and sterilized gold inflows to the US Treasury coincident with restraining New Deal spending) and 1893 (railroad bonds defaulted and banks panicked, resulting in the first global financial panic in history and deflationary depression that followed, including a global real estate bust).
ghung on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 8:02 pm
“Take away the government-provided ‘soup lines’ called Food Stamps and you would see the US food system as we know it collapse due to the loss an $80 billion+ subsidy. This is one of those things you can’t just back out of, like food subsidies to the third world. Subsidise food=>feed more people=>more babies=>take food subsidies away=>people starve or move to where the food subsidies are.
How many food systems, worldwide, aren’t subsidised by fossil fuels and fiat schemes? Just askin’. Seems I read an article recently about food production being subsidised in the PI,, somewhere,, subsidised by someone…
Unless you are already capable of producing most of your own calories, don’t get too cocky.
Davy on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 8:17 pm
Wow, look at the Makster. Mak are you breaking your silence with your buddy Davy?
“Rephrase” No but a good addition Yes. Makster. Hunger is worldwide and starvation will be worldwide. The sheer number in Asia and Africa will be off the charts including the Philippines. Number don’t lie Makster. Four point three Billion people in the space of a country the size of Russia with one hundred and forty three million.
“Only a small part of the 3rd world is fat or obese, vs a majority of the 1st world. I suppose that proves my comment.”
Proves What Makster? I missed your point. What is majority and what is small part? That is a wide open comment when talking about the earth. Sounds like agenda speak as usual.
“The world produces enough food to feed everyone.”
The world may produce enough food but not with sustainability or security. This food cannot be moved to palaces of need without a healthy economy. The foundational commodity oil is depleting so food will also deplete. Nope, Makster, the world does not produce enough food. It is mining food resources which are nonrenewable. The system that delivers, prepares, preserves, and stores food is coming apart. Nope Makster the world does not produce enough food the good old fashion way. Even when the world produced food marginally the sustainable way it was never enough everywhere.
Your problem Mak is you never farmed. You think your little jungle garden is farming but it isn’t. Besides, what the fock are you doing in Manilla when you have a farm? I am thinking you have a faux farm. You are in the middle of 20MIL people breathing horrible air. That is not farming.
Your soup line bullshit is old Makster. Are your trying to be cute? There will be soup lines in the US for sure and then starvation but just wait for what is in store in your neighborhood of 20MIL in Manila. That is going to be a horror. Multiply Manila by 100 in Asia and you get my point.
Davy on Fri, 6th Nov 2015 8:33 pm
BC, you have it nailed. Somehow I think the economic dominos will be falling just enough for the rate increases to always be just ahead. That is my take.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 12:13 am
Davy, you don’t have to farm to understand farming. If you farm with paid help and machines, you only understand commercial farming. That will be gone in the blink of an eye soon.
If you have a team of mules/horses/oxen and a plow and can still grow a field of crops by your own labor, THEN you know farming that will last. Anything else is just playing farmer.
We are building a permaculture farm that does not require machines or extensive labor. Nor does it require fencing or a lot of outbuildings. There is no other lasting food production scheme that will survive the collapse. None.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 12:17 am
Davy, the US ‘soup lines’ exist today in the form of plastic food stamps. Trying to ignore the hungry elephant is not going to work much longer. As soon as the government money stops, riots begin.
I’m not worried about Manila. Most of the population will move back to the homesteads in the country when things get tough. A few will perish, the 1%ers, but they deserve it anyway.
As for China, they are across 400+ miles of ocean and will head north and west, not east. Not my problem.
GregT on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 12:42 am
“As for China, they are across 400+ miles of ocean and will head north and west, not east.”
You guys in the Philippines still use miles as a measurement of distance? I thought that the only countries that hadn’t advanced yet were Liberia, Myanmar and the USA.
theedrich on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 4:04 am
¿So the pyramids were granaries?
Serious biblical scholars (not Black bibliolaters) point out that the Genesis narrative about Joseph, his multi-colored coat, the Egyptian story, etc., is nothing but a myth, i.e., a lie. No sane researcher takes any of it seriously.
Next, the “Exodus-and-Passover” legend: this impossibility never happened. Historically it was not the 600,000 Israelite men plus wives and children, plus livestock (= ~2 or 3 million large beings) who left Egypt for a 40-year vacation in the desert, but the dominating and enslaving Egyptian imperial forces that withdrew from Canaan in the second half of the 12th century, B.C. (See Biblical Peoples And Ethnicity: An Archaeological Study of Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, And Early Israel 1300-1100 B.C.E. by Penn State U’s Ann E. Killebrew.) The whole Passover tale is a lie, just like the other main elements of the Bible (Adam and Eve and their “apple,” endowing us with White Guilt ever after; the “virgin birth” of Jesus; his “resurrection”; the Acts of the Apostles, an adventure story invented about 115-120 C.E.; and all of the pseudepigraphic epistles and interpolations in the New Testament; and, of course, the psychotic delusions depicted in the Apocalypse/Book of Revelation).
Practicing religion as a form of personal psychological therapy, esthetic enjoyment and escapism is one thing. Viewing its phantasmagoric mythologies, asseverations and injunctions (e.g., “help 3rd World parasites”) as true is madness. That is what is driving Western civilization into a black hole.
Sorry, Dr. Carson.
Davy on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 5:33 am
Sorry Mak, you have to have a farm and have farmed both permaculture and commercial farming to know farming. There are so many different types of farming how can you claim to know all of them. You should also know how to garden and do animal husbandry. In fact the skills you must know to farm are across the board because farms have so many working parts to them. The diversity of farming is huge there is no way to know the huge variety. What do you have a few fruit trees and vegetables?
You are pissing in the wind with your description of commercial farming. All farming today should have a degree of commercial to it or you will never survive. Paid help in farming is as old as farming itself. How the pay comes can very and it does not have to be currency it can be trade and barter. Human labor on farms is going to have to increase many times over to handle what is coming. These people must be supported that is unless you plan on using slaves. Even slaves must be fed.
There is nothing wrong with machines just so one understands machines will not have a long term future. I have a collection of many different hand tools as my step in that direction. My grazing system is a permaculture design to limit heavy equipment use. Eventually if the collapse holds off I will get horses. I have a budget I must follow. I agree work animals are important but to employ them today is a hobby not a proposition that will get you very far. We have lots of people that are into horses here. Cattle is big business around here. It would not be hard for some of these people to get oxen.
What you don’t understand about farming and collapse prep is you must have one foot in the door and one out or you will never make it. Just because you are building a permaculture farm in the Philippines does not mean you can use that for a blueprint everywhere else. This is your typical winner/looser mentality and “your way or the highway mentality”.
Your permaculture farm would never make it here where I live. You have to have out buildings and fence. Makster, what is wrong with outbuildings and fence? Your comment “There is no other lasting food production scheme that will survive the collapse. None” is bullshit. Nope, Mak, you don’t know farming that will feed a community. You know permaculture gardening for a few people not farming that will combine with other farms to feed communities. You do not know how things will collapse and when. You are throwing punches in the air.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 8:36 am
Davy, “diversity” is going to be mostly planting by hand, and raising a few animals and chickens to survive. Not field crops or multiple varieties of livestock. You live in a one growing season part of the world so you rely on one crop more than I do. For instance, I can plant a new row of beans or corn (heirloom, of course) every week of the year. If I lose one, another will be ripe the next week.
Farming is not the same in both places. I have a long background in large gardens, raising animals and understanding biology and ecosystems. It was my major in college and a life long interest. No, I’m not a lifetime farmer, but I am learning and the people I have for neighbors at the farm are lifetime farmers. We trade experiences and tools. I’m looking forward to moving there permanently and honing my skills full time. No machines needed.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 8:46 am
Davy, I don’t need fences here. Maybe to keep the pigs contained, but no other reason. fences do not keep the main varmints out of the fields here. Monkeys can climb any thing I can afford to build. A big dog works, though. You have some loss, but you work with what you have, not what you want.
The communities here will be supported by each and everyone feeding him/herself, much like today. Not by communal farms. If you have excess you will either gift it or trade. Communism anyone?
What makes you think that you will have nice peaceful communities in your neighborhood to supply from your ‘bountiful’ farms? Or that they will not just take what they want? Especially if it appears that you have what they need. We obviously see the future in very different terms.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 8:52 am
GregT, ‘miles’ is a habit. I know I come from a backward country, the US, where they still use the antique Western measurements, but I do use kilometers, hectares and kilograms most of the time when talking with Filipinos. It is a tough habit to break after 70 years. The metric system is so much more practical.
apneaman on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 9:53 am
The founding fathers made the money metric. I don’t get why the founding fathers did not adopt all of it. Maybe they tried but the stupid was already entrenched. Don’t they still weigh themselves in stones in Alabama?
Lotta fat people know exactly how much 2 liters is.
Davy on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 10:39 am
Mak, you are back at your winner and loser mentality. You need to ask yourself the same questions you asked me. BTW, I did not say you needed fences. I do.
I doubt your community will fare any better than mine. You have this fantasy world you live in as you gaze out over the 20MIL of Manila. I can understand that. I am here making things happen in the real world. There is a big difference.
apneaman on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 10:49 am
MEGACANCER ~ Exploring the pathology of industrial civilization.
Landfall
http://megacancer.com/2015/11/07/landfall/
Boat on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 10:57 am
apneaman,
Do conservatards actually get inspired by this drivel? May the good lord take a liking to ya and blow ya up real soon.
There you go again wanting to blow up people. Can’t you just steal their gasoline? Lol
apneaman on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 11:30 am
Boat, that’s a dangerous game you are playing accusing me of “wanting to blow up people”. You need to stop doing that unless you have some proof I said such a thing. There is nothing lol about it as far as I’m concerned. Maybe you are too fucking stupid to know the difference between telling someone you wish they would die vs telling them you are going to kill them. Trust me there is a big difference in the eyes of the law. They do take those kind of threats seriously especially in this day and age. False accusations are also a serious infraction. Watch yourself asshole.
Boat on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 11:43 am
apeman,
If you don’t want commenters to think your sane and normal why do you come off as volatile and aggressive. I didn’t dream the shyt up. You stated quite plainly that the entire middle class of Canada should be taken out because of their shopping habits. I simply thought that was extreme. I assume you were not serious but because you have such a foul mouth and complete disregard for comments you don’t like, like the bible says…you reap what you sow.
apneaman on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 12:49 pm
I don’t give a fuck what anyone “thinks” about me.
I don’t take kindly to being accused of “wanting to blow up people.” Unless you have the actual quote then that is some serious libel and a false accusation.
And you do it again
“you stated quite plainly that the entire middle class of Canada should be taken out because of their shopping habits.”
Prove it or shut your stupid fucking mouth. If you are going to claim that someone made actual threatening statements that they could be arrested and jailed for then you need the quotes. Show the quotes or shut up. I have your quotes accusing me of what is today considered an act of terrorism. Just claiming you are going to do something is an act of terrorism in both Canada and the US. Do you think anyone can post anything they want on the internet, no matter what it is, and there can never be any legal consequences? You might want to do some research on that boat.
makati1 on Sat, 7th Nov 2015 7:59 pm
Davy, I am what I am. Did I ever say different? You dwell on Manila’s millions, but have no idea what reality is here. You live in a fantasy world embedded from birth by the Imperial propaganda machine. You will never leave it until it proves false. Too bad.
As Ap says above, I don’t give a damn what you or anyone thinks of me. That is for those who have to kiss ass to keep their job, get a mate, or keep out of the gun-sights of your Police State Gestapo. The freedom to be what you are comes only after you pass the stage of giving a damn what others think, even family. As I have said before, I am free. You are not. Probably never will be. Too bad. It is a great feeling.