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The Peak Oil Dilemma
We live in a finite world. Fossil fuels–oil, coal, and natural gas–are our number one energy source. Oil, being the biggest, drives almost everything we do. And we’re rapidly reaching the limits of how much of it the world can supply.
The concept of peak oil is simple. Geologists have determined that any finite mineral substance on earth is produced in a bell curve. When you’ve reached the peak of that curve, it means you’ve used half of this resource. Based on this model, most of the resources we depend on will, eventually peak, with the exact timing of those peaks depending on our consumption.
With our current levels of population growth, the finite world is in play. We used to believe that we lived in an infinite world because our demand was much lower. But now we’re exceeding our carrying capacity, depleting these one-time resources. They’re not replaceable, they don’t self-generate, and once they’re gone, we can never get them back.
Peak oil, as a theory, has been downplayed, because models predicted that we’d hit peak oil production between 2000 and 2010, and we didn’t–instead, we plateaued. The reason is that in that time, the process of fracking became an economically and technologically viable method of extracting oil and gas from shale deposits. As a result, we’ve seen a huge increase in oil production, with U.S. oil extraction essentially doubling over the last decade. This short-term phenomenon helped create a temporary oil glut, with the U.S. going from roughly 5 million barrels a day of conventional oil production to roughly 10 million, positioning us as one of the biggest producers of oil in the world, a position we last held in the 1970s. Oil prices have dropped dramatically because of this oversupply. It’s selling for less than bottled water, which is just incredible. It’s 10-100x cheaper than it should be if we truly valued this one-time resource.
Some people believe that we can keep fracking forever, and that oil production won’t peak because we can just continue to frack more shale, but that’s just not possible. Consider the facts: in the last year, fracked oil production has actually decreased. A typical fracked well is abandoned after just five years. Instead of decades of slow production, peaking, and declining, such as in traditional oil extraction, more than half the oil it will ever produce is released in the first year, with supply depleting year over year until the well must be shut down. Fracking’s like a treadmill–you have to drill more and more each year just to stay afloat, and you can only drill so fast. And drilling costs money. Now, with oil prices being so low, they’re not turning as much of a profit and the amount of drilling is slowing down considerably. It’s a temporary fix to a much larger problem.
We’re on the backside of the bell curve, and once you start coming down, there’s no going back ever again. Fracking was a trick that most people didn’t see coming, one that gave us artificial time, but it’s not a long-term solution. And other “solutions,” like oil production from tar sands, are just as limited in their effectiveness. Tar sands oil production accounts for a fraction of our world’s supply and is both very energy intensive and very expensive, not to mention extremely destructive to the environment. The reality is that we’re going to end up with less oil each year going forward, and by 2100 we’ll have most likely used about 80-90% of the world’s available oil. We’re missing the peak predicted by geologists by about 10-20 years, but that doesn’t mean it’s not coming–it’s just been put off.
We’re living in an oil-based world and we have a huge crisis coming because of this dependence. We haven’t stopped the growth of CO2 emissions, and we’re going to see some major changes to our environment because of that. Even if we reduced all emissions to zero today, we’ll still see a couple degrees of global warming. Climate change is going to happen, it’s just a question of how bad it will be. And it’s a shame that peak oil has been delayed by a decade, because it may have forced action on this issue sooner.
The other significant issue we’re facing is that oil drives the world’s economy, and our modern economy is driven by a concept of an infinite world, infinite growth forever. In a finite world, we’re going to crash against that mindset. Society doesn’t tend to react until we have an actual, immediate crisis on our hands. We’ll have an oil supply crisis soon–it could be in two years, it could be in ten, but it’s coming.
Renewables are clearly a part of the solution, but it’s going to be hard to replace all of the oil we use with renewable energy. We’ve gotten so energy intensive in what we do, everything from transportation to food production, and it’s too much to support. Some people believe that renewables can sustain the world as we know it, but we simply use too much to be able to replace fossil fuels completely with renewable energy. We also don’t have enough resources in the world to be able to build all of the solar panels and wind turbines–we would deplete many other resources such as iron ore, aluminum, and copper trying to make this renewable energy system, trying to replace fossil fuels that took millions of years to make. We’re overpromising, making people believe that they won’t have to change their lifestyles. Oil is what allowed our population to expand so rapidly, but how do we continue to support more and more people with less and less oil? Something has to change.
We’re going to see some major lifestyle changes in our lifetime. We can’t keep driving the way we do–we have 1.2 billion cars in the world, which is crazy. Even if every single car was electric, there’s so much embedded energy in building the cars, the road systems, the infrastructure–more energy embedded in those things than you’d use in the life of a car. The system we’ve created, the one we continue to build upon and need to maintain, eats up a significant amount of oil. We can’t keep going in this direction.
So what’s the solution? Relocalization will be a big piece of it. We’ll need to live closer together, with mass transit and other ways of moving around, living much closer to where we work or go to school. With the rise of suburbia, we got used to the idea of spreading out, of using the car to go everywhere, but we’ll need to condense things significantly. The U.S. is in a tough position because we’re one of the most energy-intensive countries in the world, consuming a quarter of the world’s resources and energy, so we’re the ones who will need to decrease our usage most dramatically.
The problem is, we believe it’s our right to use it. We don’t want to change. Our society can handle about a 10% voluntary energy reduction across the board, doing things like walking more and carpooling. To get to the necessary level (which, by some estimations, will be about a 60-80% decrease in energy usage), will be impossible unless we change the way we think about things. We’re not going to get to where we need to be by picking paper bags instead of plastic at the grocery store–it’s about mass consumption, about the way our society operates as a whole. And this can be a positive thing, a change for the better: a more community-oriented lifestyle, being closer to people, sharing more. We just need to change our frame of mind, adjust our expectations, and embrace this change.
Our energy issues are dilemmas, not problems. Problems, you can solve; dilemmas, you will never solve completely. So this issue of how we’re going to live in the future will never have a clear, defined answer. It’s necessary to switch to a completely renewable-driven world and enact tremendous lifestyle changes to survive. And it is about survival, because we won’t survive the way we’re doing things today. Things have to change dramatically. At this point, it’s clear that we will be forced by nature to do something. Peak oil is the most likely driver of change–while C02 emissions and climate change are a much bigger issue we will need to contend with, their effects appear more slowly, over time. They don’t affect everyone of us every day. Peak oil, when it happens, is going to be visible and dramatic and, perhaps most importantly, will hit us in our wallets, which is one of the surest ways to get people to react.
And it’s just a matter of time. Scientists guessed that it would come in the mid-2000s, and we were off ten years, which bought us some time. And what did we do with that time? We consumed even more, and produced even more carbon emissions. We didn’t use the foresight and knowledge available to us to begin to make those changes. We should be building the new infrastructure before we hit peak resources, using fossil fuels to create the next generation of energy supplies, which are renewables. We have to invest tremendous amounts of this oil-based energy in renewables, because if we’re coming down the backside of the peak oil curve, we will have fewer and fewer resources each year to build the new energy sources we need, and it will cost more and more. We’re at the best time in our society to build the necessary next steps. We need to take them, and do it quickly.
113 Comments on "The Peak Oil Dilemma"
Humanitarian Realist on Thu, 12th May 2016 3:29 pm
To Davy… Very impressive workout. I can see why you would be proud of yourself. Any way you could develop the same ethic/dedication towards improving the world?
Apneaman… I appreciate your intellectual and (expected) emotionally stable contribution to my points/opinions. I respectfully have issue with the attitude of your statement, “Too late now me thinks.”, though I understand why, this attitude suggests defeat, which in my opinion is counter productive and a large contributor to our society’s complacency. I.E. “I can not do anything about it.”, “It will not be a factor during my life.”, “I need to worry about my family, NOW.”. All of these are legitimate reasons for feeling defeated yet this is what we have to overcome. My opinions in regard to teaching psychology is how we CAN over come these defeated attitudes. Yes, our efforts very possibly could be in vain but they could also VERY possibly be the opposite.
I feel very helpless as I have zero credentials, college drop out, to provide relevant contribution other than to internet comment sections, and of course we both know this medium is not so relevant. HA!! My hopes is that perhaps my comments may reach someone with means to influence and may influence that/those person(s) to go beyond my limited abilities in championing the cause of improved psychological/emotional awareness thus improving our chances for cooperation.
FYI – my background (which is important in my opinion) I am a 50 something year old Anglo American divorced male Agnostic (do not believe their is a GOD capable of watching, judging, over 8 billion humans as the most important object of their existence, but do not have intangible proof immortals/creators do/did not exist), raised Christian in rural South Texas and now live in suburban Dallas (over 20 yeas). I have young sons, am financially secure (by luck (oil royalty recipient)), and have experienced enormously frustrating points of view based on hypocritical religious indoctrination passed on generation after generation.
Davy on Thu, 12th May 2016 3:37 pm
Humanitarian, don’t give out any personal details. This board is poisoned and anything you say can and will be used against you. Sorry it is just the way it is and there is no hope for a compromise as it has been tried before. I wish we could manage a minimum of respectful behavior here but it is not possible with the presence of extremist.
Apneaman on Thu, 12th May 2016 4:21 pm
Yeah, Humanitarian and especially watch out for this one guy who asks all newcomers where they are from – like it’s any of his fucking business – and then tells them they need to put in their time in – like we are on a union seniority rating – to earn his respect. He thinks is the defender of the board. The self appointed Homeland security commander in chief. He likes to label people he doesn’t like with radical, extremist and claims they all have agendas. Woooooooooo it’s a big plot to thwart his imaginary authority and give him a boo boo. Humanitarian did you know that 30% of Canadians want to attack the US? Tis true tis true. They even have a report N stuff.
sidzepp on Thu, 12th May 2016 4:29 pm
Looking at the devastation from the Alberta fires, mixed in with the long term devastation from the tar sand harvesting and looking at images from the shrinking polar ice cap, I listened all day at work as customers argued over the merits of trans-gender bathrooms and the realization came that there is no hope.
Apneaman on Thu, 12th May 2016 4:41 pm
LMAO
Humanitarian Realist on Thu, 12th May 2016 4:50 pm
Apeneaman and Davy…. The type of competition the two of you buy into is a great example of “emotional immaturity” that my proposal could improve. I saw a TV show once where two adult sisters were arguing about something trivial, the mom stood between them and said, “You are both pretty!, Now stop.”. Me to you, You are both smart. Yes, my “attack” is somewhat hypocritical, yet I wonder why you each find need to devalue the other?
Question: What do you each hope to accomplish by posting your comments? What is your agenda? Have you considered, why?
sidzepp… Your post reiterates the need for a psychology curriculum in our school systems. Please do not loose hope.
Davy on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:00 pm
Good job spanky. I like to put a face with the anti-Americanism so we can include their dumbass country in all that is dirty and nasty. Board seniority does matter because it shows someone putting some skin in the game. Too many people want to drop in and out without showing credentials. Those credentials being brain cells and effort. They want immediate respect or IOW something for nothing. Someone needs to try to defend the board in my opinion because we are presenting an important message. The problem is extremist like yourself and of course Makati Bill are only interested in personal agendas not in something that is going to contribute to furthering the truth.
For you spank it is about winners and losers. It is about black and white. The truth is of no consequence to you unless it is your version. I have read some good stuff out of you but I find your personal attitude to be disgusting. You represent all that is wrong with manhood today. You got a small sheeple following because many a unhappy individual can relate to anger, hatred, and resentment.
Davy on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:08 pm
HR, stick around and contribute and we will see how thick your skin is. At the moment you are just new meat that will be ground up into sausage over time. Glad to see some new blood. Good luck.
Apneaman on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:31 pm
Humanitarian, I don’t feel defeated or think of myself as a defeatist in any way shape or form. I simply accept what we are and acknowledge, in my own special olympics way, that neither this planet or this universe was created for us or to make us happy, nor, based on tons of evidence, do I believe we are in control of anything. We may have been able to technically slow it down if we had acted 30-40 years ago, but we chose denial and consumer orgy Globalization instead, although there was plenty of propaganda help from big oil and pretty much big everything. Just when humans had to make their toughest choice it happened to coincide with one of their worst ideologies ever – neo liberal capitalism on a global scale. A large majority in wealthy countries seem perfectly happy with the way their living arrangements are and the rest of the world can’t wait to join in. Then there are the physics. If we went to zero carbon in the next 5 minuets and never burned anything ever again (yeah right) we would still hit 2C and that’s conservative. It’s baked in and we are not slowing down. We’re at 1C above the 1880’s baseline and we have seen disasters galore and dozens of unstoppable positive self reinforcing feedback loops are already underway that are only going to pick up speed and add to the warming which will make them go faster which will add to the warming which will….. They will be going exponential. We could have an Arctic blue ocean event in a matter of months. Do you understand the implications of that? They are astounding – a massive feedback if ever there was one. It can’t be stopped. Too late. Also this idea about dooming demoralizing others is pure BS. What others? A few thousand? A hundred thousand? I’ve heard it before. Has it demoralized you? How can you know what will demoralize others? I think that’s just another one of those clever human tricks to get me to shut the fuck up, because you don’t like what I’m saying. Since 1988 there have been literally tens of thousands of warning from the scientific community and what has been the response? Nothing except more growth and emissions and consuming every year and I’m supposed to believe that my message might demoralize someone. Like anything I say has any effect on anyone let alone the world? Am I supposed to believe that we would be well on our way to recovery if not for a few doomers who’s numbers are so insignificant that they don’t even register statistically? Hardly anyone is listening because hardly anyone gives a shit, can’t give a shit, because it’s their limbic system which drives the bus and guarantees that dopamine drips today trumps all else. Too late.
Serenity Prayer – my version
GodLogic grant me the serenityto accept the things I cannot change(everything)
courage to change the things I can (nothing)
and wisdom to know the difference.
Apneaman on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:43 pm
Lick my shit pipe Missouri cocksucker.
It only matters to a monumental losers like you who thinks he gets to make up rules on someone else privately owned blog. You don’t. You have zero authority here. No one does little rich boy. Not your sandbox.
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:47 pm
I think guys what AP says makes much sense. He looks without blinders at our situation and comes to the conclusions his reason and investigations dictate. As for personal squabbles, well these are pretty intense issues really. So expect it. Davy also contributes valuable information. People hear seem to respect me because I try to see all angles and sides of arguments. But I always stay close to the factual and minutia of data and info. I try and leave out emotional attachments etc. I just can identify with the humility in what AP is saying. All humans needed and need a large dose of humility about what they can know and what they can do.
Davy on Thu, 12th May 2016 5:54 pm
If you don’t respect yourself you can’t respect others. If you don’t respect others it is likely you don’t respect yourself. Since the day ape hole came on this board he has attacked me. Why, because he doesn’t like me. No need to go into why because most here no why. That is all that is needed for an asshole like ape hole. If he doesn’t like you he will bully you every chance he gets. He is like a dog with an instinct to work. In ape hole’s case it is to bully people and to push his self-importance. What a losy individual who is showing a very bad example of who Canadians are. Canada was once 1 on my list until I met Canadians on this board.
Apneaman on Thu, 12th May 2016 6:20 pm
Liar.
You are the one that started the personal attacks when your fragile patriotism could not take anything that resembled anti Americanism whether is actually was or not. And fuck you and your definitions of self respect and everything else – I reject all of your catholic school boy bullshit rule. You don’t get to decide that for me or anyone else. Which is what drives you insane eh? Not playing by Davy’s rules. I don’t care what the Canadians think either. I just happened to be born here. Fuck them too.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 12th May 2016 6:35 pm
HR, remove the rope from around your neck, step away from the ledge, and find your center. The boys are just feeling their usual frogginess and it’s no big woop. Keeps things interesting and I’m sure they’ll tell you, we don’t need no stinkin psychology!
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 6:37 pm
Keeps things interesting– I will second that Sissy. haha
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 6:57 pm
Ap, Davy is a lost cause. Let his family deal with it. I ignore him.
Humanitarian Realist on Thu, 12th May 2016 6:59 pm
Funny, sissyfuss, but it is quite obvious, from my perspective, this board (which is quite representative of the populous) needs emotional control which is obtained via awareness which is obtained by understanding the psychology that fuels the lack of emotional control. Why so angry? The “psychology” is your reasons for being angry. The anger is a direct result of your fear the derogatory comments are true.
BTW – Due to the feud, Neither presented their agenda for posting to the board. I detect and hope they must have some hope to stop the bleeding based on their desire to be heard.
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 7:06 pm
We all are a result of where we were born, not a personal choice. Only the blind/ignorant/greedy American can ignore what their birth country is up to and pretend to defend it’s foul actions.
With maturity comes the ability to decide if you still want to support that bullshit or not. I finally chose not to. In fact, I go out of my way to point out its weaknesses and it killer attitude about the rest of the world.
I live in a country, the Philippines that had no beef with China until the Empire decided to make it the new Chinese target in Asia. The Ps has a military smaller then the National Guard of the US state I was born in. China never has to put ‘boots on the ground’ here to destroy it. A few dozen missiles wold stop everything here.
Yes, I want the US crippled or even decimated BEFORE they can get WW3 started here or in Europe. Today would be perfect. Friday the 13th. LOL
Practicalmaina on Thu, 12th May 2016 7:43 pm
The ps scare me, a country that is logical enough to not start their one reactor, and then elects a nutcase. Globally politics are more screwed than ever.
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 7:44 pm
Are we being driven to WW3 by the Empire?
“Russia Hints At Nuclear War After US Deploys Ballistic Missile Shield”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-12/russia-hints-nuclear-war-after-us-deploys-european-anti-ballistic-missile-shield
“China scrambles fighters as U.S. sails warship near Chinese-claimed reef”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-idUSKCN0Y10DM?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/topNews+%28News+/+US+/+Top+News%29
“US Shipping Tanks to Georgia for ‘Drills’”
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/05/05/us-shipping-tanks-to-georgia-for-drills/
And the war beat goes on…
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 7:51 pm
A military Empire will use its military to retain their imperial status.
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:02 pm
Practical, corruption is not just the property of the Us. They meddle in everything they can. I suspect they had a hand in this election as they do in every subservient country. It seems strange that a mayor on Mindanao (the most corrupt island of the 7,000+) would win. Perhaps it is because that is where the Us has troops and the most influence? We shall see. Meanwhile we are moving our personal relocation plan (to our farm) ahead to mid 2017, or sooner.
Without the Ps, they (US) have no S.E. Asian base for their desired war with China. Nor a target to deflect Chinese attention from their navy. I suspect a few Chinese missiles will end the Us occupation of the Ps as Chinese boots on the ground in the Ps would not be needed. The Ps is less than 5 minutes by missile from mainland China. The airports and military installations would be gone first. Then the huge US Embassy compound in Manila. A few more on the infrastructure and the Ps would be crippled beyond ability to defend itself. No boots needed.
With the new Chinese carrier killer missiles, the Chinese can keep the US navy on the far side of the Ps and 1,000+ miles from China. The Us knows this and is desperate to get a land foothold in the Ps. Too bad the US educated leaders of the Ps cannot see this and tell the Us to get out and stay out of the Ps affairs. But again Us induced corruption will prevent a rational action by the Ps leadership. They were indoctrinated heavily during their Us stay. $$$$$
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:05 pm
Onlooker, that is true of all history, but never in history has the failing Empire been able to nuke the world and cause a planet wide extinction of all life. THAT is what makes this time different. And the deranged psychos in Washington seem to believe that not only can the Us survive a nuclear exchange (they believe that they have a ‘plan’ that would prevent nukes from reaching America) but that they can ‘win’.
Insanity + Nukes = Extinction
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:09 pm
“But again Us induced corruption will prevent a rational action by the Ps leadership. They were indoctrinated heavily during their Us stay. $$$$$” True the whole Western system of corrupting, bribing, blackmailing etc. is far advanced and whole countries and political parties within them have fallen under the sway of Neoliberal Capitalistic policies especially with the lending/debt leverage they have over these countries. Debt bondage everyone from individuals to countries are debt slaves
Practicalmaina on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:12 pm
Not hating on the Phillipenes, just respect the people and suprised to see some POS able to attain such political stature. Then again I am sure I will be suprised- dissapointed when I’m considering leaving my native nationd when Drumpf is elected.
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:17 pm
Practical, the past few Presidents have all been in the Us pockets. It’s all about money and power. Even here. The Us has it’s tentacles in the governments of every country it can. Most of them were college educated in the Us where they were indoctrinated with the Us Koolaid. I too was a bit shocked when I noticed it after living here for a few years, but it should not have been surprised. After all, it was a US colony for 50 years and has been heavily influenced ever since.
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:19 pm
True Mak, very dangerous indeed. You know sometimes it crossed my mind that maybe an all out Nuclear War is preferable to the slow agonizing collapse and withering of living prospects for billions. What do you think Mak?
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:22 pm
The Us has it’s tentacles in the governments of every country it can— that is a very salient point to understand some of the conditions and policies of world governments and decision makers. Money rules
GregT on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:42 pm
Not the US exactly onlooker, but the globalist central banking cartels who just happen to be headquartered in the US, and control the US MIC and the US political system. The US is their empire de jour.
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:44 pm
Very true Greg. It is money that rules thus Banks and the principal owners aka Rothchilds etc.
GregT on Thu, 12th May 2016 8:54 pm
“Liar.”
“You are the one that started the personal attacks when your fragile patriotism could not take anything that resembled anti Americanism whether is actually was or not.”
Completely agree Apnea. I’ve tried my best to have a rational conversation with him for almost three years now. I’m done with being accused of thinking things that I don’t. The guy has red, white, and blue shoved so far up his asshole, that he’s totally lost it. A complete waste of time and energy, with serious anger management issues. Probably why daddy kicked him out of the family business working for the US MIC.
GregT on Thu, 12th May 2016 9:28 pm
Onlooker,
If you were to ask most Americans these days what independence day is really about, they wouldn’t have a clue. Even more wouldn’t have a clue as to why that independence was lost on December 23, 1913. There is a very good reason why none of this is taught in US schools.
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 9:35 pm
Onlooker, I think that a nuclear exchange is going to happen, IF the US cannot be taken down in another way beforehand. My first preference would be an EMP that destroys America’s ability to even survive as a country. Let the zombies live their TV series in real life. Most of them deserve it. And, yes, I know that there are many innocent children in America who will suffer and die also, but that is not a valid concern when their parents stand by and allow their government to kill million of children all over the world without thought. Blow-back is a bitch.
We are on a very uncertain path to our future or extinction. Nukes, financial collapse, climate change, deliberate chaos caused by the Empire, etc. Even Cassandra would have a difficult time predicting what is going to happen and when. Kinda exciting in a macabre sort of way. Nukes or slow death by climate change? Only time will tell. My pref? Wait and see.
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 9:38 pm
So true Greg, Mak is right that we Americans have been indoctrinated, manipulated and deceived by Media, the school system and simply by the false myths of modernity. Did you know Greg and Mak that the US is really a corporation. That Washington D.C. and District of Columbia are not really part of US. That the the Bar Association and the IRS are basically the same entity. Some startling info, which I have no reason to discredit or disbelieve. So guys I hope they do not come knocking at my door because I am one American who knows too much haha
makati1 on Thu, 12th May 2016 9:48 pm
Onlooker, you are an American that sees reality, along with GregT and a few others here who can see and accept where that reality is taking us. We have the advantage over the other millions. We can adjust and prep and try to ease into the new future. Good luck.
onlooker on Thu, 12th May 2016 9:58 pm
Thanks Mak, same to you.
GregT on Thu, 12th May 2016 11:14 pm
“Did you know Greg and Mak that the US is really a corporation.”
Yes I do onlooker, and I am also aware that Canada is a crown corporation. The very reason why I’m not big on nationalism, propaganda, or indoctrination.
GregT on Thu, 12th May 2016 11:35 pm
“when their parents stand by and allow their government to kill million of children all over the world without thought.”
It doesn’t get anymore straightforward than that. Murder is wrong, period. Condoning murder is equally as bad. Those who support these actions are as guilty as those who commit them. In that respect Mak, I would have to agree with you, a society that supports the murder of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of other human beings is immoral, unjust, and deserves what it has coming to it. Ignorance is no excuse.
pinkdotR on Fri, 13th May 2016 4:51 am
“60-80% decrease in energy usage” – it is quite simple. You just have to return to the times when 90% of commuting people used public transit and 10% used cars, most of city citizens lived in the city itself and not in suburbs 30 miles away. In other words – you just have to revert what GM messed up and convince their followers in the rest of the world (including my country) to do the same.
Good luck 😉
makati1 on Fri, 13th May 2016 5:31 am
You have to live like they still do in the Philippines.
Energy Consumption:(barrels of oil equivalent per capita)
US = 52.2
Philippines – 2.3
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/energy_philippines
And the Filipinos, for the most part, are living happy, healthy lives in a growing economy.
Davy on Fri, 13th May 2016 5:42 am
Of course you completely agree Greg you and Ape Hole are tight as thieves WTF you think you are going to do go against him? You Canadian extremist are all about our way or the highway. I tried to be friends with you guys acknowledging you are American critical but you want to have a dominant narrative of anti-Americanism. You want to discredit and diminish American culture and identity at every level and continually. All problems lead back to the US and this message must be dominant. No other players are acknowledged.
American culture is a mess at every level no doubt but your message is extreme, mean, and unbalanced IOW extremism. You are an amateur psychologist that first needs to do self-reflection on yourself because it is you who daily is involved with bullying and personal attacks. You tap into the latent anti-Americanism of non-English speaking Americans and the Americans that themselves want to be apologist and wallow in self-pity. You draw strength in numbers that justifies your extremism in your mind. Your attacks on Americans both individual and as a whole do not fit the issues. It goes further and it is a sickness.
This is a sickness of your country that wants to pretend it is not part of all that is bad in the world. You Canadians have piggy backed on the US prosperity. You are fully invested in the American way of life from a huge trade integration. You Canadians are accomplices to the rape of the world. You are fully complicit in all the ills of the US by your association and integration. Instead you brag constantly about your country of course in an indirect way. This subtle indirect way is by focusing all problems on the US and rarely discussing your own dirty laundry.
You make me sick Greg because you just don’t go away you hound people endlessly. This is why I have to tell you to F-off because it is a constant ongoing thing and the biggest reason we can’t be friends. We should be friends because we have lots in common but we don’t have extremism in common.
Davy on Fri, 13th May 2016 5:54 am
Folks for those who care my strategy is war is better than a bad peace. I know some of you tune this battle out but look at it this way it is about the world and its battles. It is a reflection in a small way of what is happening in the world. Power rules and might makes right.
These guys are continuously attacking me and my country unfairly. I know many of you support them because you are of their point of view but many of you are not on their extreme level. I believe the best defense is a good offense so I take the fight to them. I don’t lay back and let the gang banging happen without consequences.
We have multiple characters attacking so you get the point. I am constantly in a fight. Many of you would say just ignore them or go away. Been there and done that on ignoring them. That gets old and it allows them full ownership of the board message. I have tried to get them to agree to moderation but they are not interested. They show the typical majority rule mentality of power rules. They have power in numbers so they are not interested in giving up any of theirs. My only alternative is to attack when attacked. If they attack me personally then I attack them personally and I try to hit them harder. I am not trying to win this I am trying to get them at a minimum to stop attacking me.
Ape hole, Makati Bill, GregT, and JuanP are the primary reason this board is so polarized. We have several others that interject their poison. From day one Ape Hole got on this board he has been after me. He hates the US and he hates who I am. Makati Bill has been here longer than me. From day one I got on this board he has done the redundant and continuous exercise in discrediting and diminishing the US at every level from personal to the top leadership. I agree the top leadership needs it but you can’t filter this down to everything in a huge overgeneralization to satisfy a personal hatred. This is part of a strategy of a personal agenda of hate, anger, and resentment for a failed life in the US. I fought this for a few years and finally decided it is not worth the effort he has no interest in moderation.
The biggest issue I have is I am US critical at many levels but they want to paint me as a flag waiver. This is because I am too moderate in my criticism of the US. They want extremism and they want to own the message. I am not going away until this site black balls me. This site is basically anti-American and has a big Canadian influences originating in the Great Lakes area. If that happens it will prove my point of the poison of extremism. These people want to participate in all the worst activities of those they hate and despise. They practice the same technics of propaganda and discrediting. The end justifies the means for them. They are so passionate and bought into extremism they cannot even see themselves in the mirror.
PracticalMaina on Fri, 13th May 2016 7:27 am
Makati, another interesting thing I learned about the P’s is that many of Americas untraceable guns are manufactured in the jungles and smuggled into the US. Building modern firearms in shacks in the woods, that is industrious.
JuanP on Fri, 13th May 2016 7:54 am
I agree with GregT and Apneaman. I didnt read the comments referred above, but I know that if they agree with each other and the delusional American exceptionalist bully disagrees with them, then based on past experience they must be right.
We all know how delusional and plain wrong Davy is where he, the USA, or the Catholic church are concerned. If you want to learn from Davy, remember that the opposite of what he says concerning himself. the USA, and Catholics is the real truth, just the exact opposite. There is no need for me to read his page long delirious rants.
JuanP on Fri, 13th May 2016 7:56 am
The USA is the most violent and agressive country in the world.
People like Davy are the reason why the whole world hates the USA.
makati1 on Fri, 13th May 2016 7:58 am
Really? What source of “fact” is that or is it pure bullshit from your posterior? Why would they do that in the first place? The Us has all the illegal guns it wants from it’s own gun swaps, thefts, unrecorded weapons by the millions, etc. They don’t need to import them. The hundred million or so unrecorded guns in the Us are a never ending supply.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make a real gun? You don’t make them in the jungles of any country without a factory with machine tools, steel foundry, etc.
I think you better wipe. That was a big piece of shit you just posted.
PracticalMaina on Fri, 13th May 2016 8:12 am
It is on a documentary on netflix. Once a gun gets used in a crime in the US it is no longer untraceable. So it will get used in a series of crimes and then get smuggled over the southern border to Mexico. A lot of American guns are made legally in the Philippines because there are good machinist who will work for cheap. With them come a number of guns with fake serial numbers that are worth big bucks when they first arrive. I will try to find the name for you, they may have been playing it up, but I know for a fact a good deal of US handguns are now manufactured in the P’s.
PracticalMaina on Fri, 13th May 2016 8:12 am
Legally manufactured
PracticalMaina on Fri, 13th May 2016 8:16 am
The name of the show is Underworld, Episode Ghost Guns. Gun thefts result in someone committing a felony to have a gun that has a valid serial number ect.
makati1 on Fri, 13th May 2016 8:30 am
You are so gullible, Practical. You know nothing about anything in the Philippines.
You watch some Us government sponsored flick and believe it as gospel. You are a perfect example of a dumbed down, Koolaid addicted American sheeple. I laugh at your assertions. You will learn to back up your claims with reliable, verifiable references if you want to make claims here. Some flick in the internet is NOT a reliable source. LMAO