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Senator Elizabeth Warren placed her hand atop a large red button and pressed firmly, restarting a nuclear experiment that MIT believes could help save the planet — but which the Obama administration considered superfluous and tried to kill year after year.
More than 100 scientists, engineers, and technicians — most of whom had, until recently, been under layoff notices — had gathered on campus that cold February day, their eyes glued to the three projection screens hanging from the front of the control room.
Then as superhot plasma inside the fusion reactor next door reached its metal walls, a flash of light appeared on one of the screens. The grand energy experiment had throbbed back to life.
And applause filled the room.
The dream could not be bigger: produce nuclear power without the radioactive waste or meltdown potential; generate an unlimited clean source of energy by replicating the sun’s power on Earth. The federally funded research project for what is known as nuclear fusion has been, for more than a decade, the single largest science experiment for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in terms of employees and budget.
But the Obama administration, while sharing the hope that nuclear fusion will one day be harnessed as a power source, concluded that the MIT experiment was a waste of taxpayer money. It deemed MIT’s facility outdated and small, the least scientifically useful of three domestic fusion reactors. Indeed, critics of the experiment said it amounts to a $1.5 million-per-student training program that MIT wants to keep going to protect its turf and prestige.
The White House believed that tax dollars were better spent on reactors in New Jersey and California, and it diverted some of the MIT money for a France-based international project of unprecedented scale. MIT’s fusion experiment was slated for elimination in the 2013 and 2014 budgets.
“I personally would like to see us build the most modern type of machine. We thought the only way to do that was to do without MIT’s,” said William Brinkman, former director of the Office of Science at the Department of Energy. “But closing a facility is not an easy thing. It’s a political hornet’s nest.”
This is a story about those “hornets” and that nest, about the extraordinary multifront lobbying campaign waged by one of the most powerful research universities in the country. It was an exercise of muscle along the Massachusetts-Washington axis that did something significant even on gridlocked Capitol Hill — restoring funding for a program axed by the White House.
“In the end, it is about picking a winner and a parochial effort to direct money to MIT,” said Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based watchdog group. “It’s certainly a case of lawmakers bucking the president and putting their thumb on the scale for a particular project.”
MIT enlisted the support of a wealthy Democratic donor from Concord and the help of an influential Washington think-tank co-founded by John Kerry. These efforts were backed by lobbyists, including a former congressman from Massachusetts, with connections to the right lawmakers on the right committees. The cast also included an alliance of universities, industry and national labs, all invested in the fusion dream.
“It’s ground-breaking research that could lead an energy revolution,” Warren said. “This was not about politics. This was about good science.”
The revival of MIT’s project, whatever its merits, clearly demonstrated what the combination of old-fashioned Washington horse-trading and new-fangled power — both nuclear and political — can do.
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A fading poster titled “Fusion, Physics of a Fundamental Energy Source” takes up nearly an entire wall of MIT’s Plasma Science & Fusion Department’s second-floor lobby. It reads: “If fusion power plants become practical, they would provide a virtually inexhaustible energy supply . . . substantial progress toward this goal has been made.”
The poster was printed in 1996. The goal has remained elusive.
MIT’s hopes lay with a 40-foot-tall cylindrical machine called the Alcator C-Mod, a 20-year-old nuclear fusion reactor housed in a long brick building that had once been a Nabisco cookie warehouse on the west side of campus.
Fusion produces energy when hydrogen nuclei combine, with helium as its harmless byproduct. The potential for nearly limitless, cheap, efficient fuel that does not harm the environment has long made nuclear fusion the “holy grail” of energy.
But the road from potential to reality has proved to be steep and littered with scientific obstacles.
MIT’s fusion reactor, like most of its kind, uses a powerful magnetic field to confine plasma, an ionized gas whose atoms occasionally collide at temperatures exceeding 100 million degrees Celsius, nearly 10 times hotter than the core of the sun, to produce energy — for just a few seconds.
But for a fusion reactor to actually generate electric power, the plasma must become dense and hot enough to produce more energy than the reactor uses to create it, and the reaction has to be sustained continuously. A feat akin to creating a captive “star,” it so far has not been achieved anywhere, despite decades of research and engineering efforts.
That daunting challenge has evoked skepticism in some quarters about fusion ever becoming a feasible energy source, at least not without much larger reactors.
The best hope for success in the eyes of the Obama administration is at the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) being built in Cadarache, France. That ambitious worldwide collaboration, estimated to cost tens of billions of dollars, is where much of the scientific and political attention — and resources — have shifted.
The project, with the European Union, Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, and India as partners, was conceived in 1985 at a Reagan-Gorbachev summit in Geneva as the first step toward a commercially viable thermonuclear reactor. Construction is underway and experiments may begin in 2020.
At nearly 100 feet tall and weighing 23,000 tons, ITER will be 10 times larger than the MIT machine and will be able to hold 1,000 times the amount of plasma, increasing the potential for a scientific breakthrough.
After some wrangling, the United States has committed to supporting 9 percent, estimated at $4 billion to $6.5 billion, of what is the biggest international research and development project in history.
MIT believes its reactor will yield lessons that help seed the larger dream, allowing scientists to better understand the underlying physics of nuclear fusion and how to better control the turbulent and volatile plasma.
But to the Obama administration, the MIT project does not offer enough to justify the cost and needed to be scrapped in favor of more promising sites.
Energy Department officials said they prioritized the country’s two other fusion reactors, run by Princeton University and by General Atomics, a San Diego company, over MIT’s because they were more productive and important to the future of the international project.
The MIT reactor appeared doomed.
In February 2012, just hours before President Obama unveiled his budget for the 2013 fiscal year, MIT’s vice president of research received a call from the Department of Energy. The administration had decided: The university’s reactor experiment was done.
The MIT reactor, which had received $28 million in fiscal year 2012, would get just $16 million in Obama’s new budget. The money would pay the staff to ensure a safe shutdown of the reactor, but no more experiments would be run. The difference in the funding would be transferred to the international project.
“This was not a negotiation call. It was an information call,” recalled Claude Canizares, an MIT physics professor and former vice president of research.
A couple of weeks later, Edmund Synakowski, who oversees fusion energy sciences at the Department of Energy, offered the rationale for the administration’s decision during a meeting of fusion scientists.
ITER, the international collaboration, was the “frontier of burning plasma science,” Synakowski said. The MIT reactor was not. If they want to continue their experiments, MIT scientists should travel to other reactors in the United States, Asia, and Europe.
It was a significant blow to the university, a longtime beneficiary of hundreds of millions a year of government research dollars, which has helped hone its reputation as an elite research institution.
And MIT was indignant. Earl Marmar, head of MIT’s Alcator C-Mod project, defended his program, saying in an interview that its productivity is “as high or higher” than other reactors when judged by the number of scientific papers published and articles cited by outside researchers in the last five years.
But the MIT reactor was mothballed in October 2012 while scientists scrambled to finish analyzing data they had previously collected. The university stopped accepting new graduate students for the experiment. Dozens of researchers received pink slips and prepared to leave the field entirely
The following spring, the Obama administration, in its 2014 budget request, provided zero funding, writing that the “research effort is ended as the facility is shut down completely.”
In fact, it wasn’t dead yet. It had simply entered another kind of force field: politics.
For years, Representative Michael Capuano prided himself on his skill in steering tens of millions of earmarked federal money to his district, home to MIT and other universities.
But a 2011 ban on congressional earmarks — pet projects funded without a merit-based review process — left politicians such as Capuano struggling to find new ways to channel money to their districts.
MIT’s experiment had never been funded through an earmark. The university usually opposed the pork barrel practice, having no trouble winning federal research contracts through a competitive peer-reviewed system.
But in early 2012, the university’s Washington lobbyists made Capuano, a Somerville Democrat, one of their first calls.
It was just the kind of fight Capuano relished, and he laid out a clear strategy. He toured MIT’s reactor, met the scientists, and learned the basics of nuclear fusion.
“I asked them to speak English, to tone down the technological talk,” Capuano said. “And then we talked about how to save it. It was very simple. My job was to get it back in. . . . I have no idea if fusion is the real thing or unreal thing or if it will ever come to fruition. I just need to know it’s a reasonable thing to be researching, that it’s not tiddlywinks.”
He first enlisted the support of members of Congress who arealso scientists — Rush Holt, a New Jersey Democrat and physicist who had been the assistant director of the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory; Bill Foster, an Illinois Democrat and physicist; and John Olver, a Massachusetts Democrat and chemist and an MIT alum who at the time served on the House Appropriations energy and water development subcommittee.
Then, as MIT administrators pleaded their case with Department of Energy officials, Capuano built an argument to help MIT scientists — and the national fusion community — gain support amongst a broader group of House colleagues, an argument that would resonate with the Republicans in charge: Why would America want to directly send jobs and its intellectual elite to other countries?
“The average member of Congress can understand that,” Capuano said. “On the House side, no one said ‘to heck with that.’ It was ‘OK, Mike, we’ll see what we can do.’ We worked it little by little.’’
Holt, a well-respected longtime member of the New Jersey delegation, was a particularly effective ally because he had a direct pipeline to Rodney Frelinghuysen, a New Jersey Republican who at the time chaired the energy and water development subcommittee on appropriations and represented a neighboring district.
Holt and others credit Frelinghuysen for ultimately carrying the ball for MIT — and all domestic fusion programs. Frelinghuysen declined to comment.
On the Senate side, Warren assumed the role of lead advocate, touting MIT’s research in letters and meetings in Washington.
David L. Ryan/Globe Staff
Senator Elizabeth Warren (top of platform) viewed the Plasma Science & Fusion Center at MIT in Cambridge. The senator was among lawmakers who helped restore partial funding of the center and participated in the ceremonial restart of the facility in February.
“I’m learning how to do this in an elevator ride, on the walk over from the little subway car over to vote, to say, ‘Have you heard about what we’re doing at MIT?’ ” Warren said.
She spoke repeatedly with Senate appropriators, including what she described as “very productive conversations” with Barbara Mikulski, a Maryland Democrat and chair of Senate appropriations.
With the administration directing MIT to immediately cease all operations and present a plan for closure as quickly as possible in the spring of 2013, Frelinghuysen, Holt, Warren, and others appealed to Department of Energy officials to compromise.
All of these pressure points had worn down the White House. Instead of preparing to dismantle the reactor in 2013 as the administration had instructed, MIT and the Department of Energy agreed to keep the experiment on life-support status, using the $16 million to maintain the machine, so it would be easier to restart if a larger amount of funding came through.
Enter the most unlikely player in this saga: a 74-year-old biotechnology entrepreneur from Concord, Mass., named Reinier Beeuwkes, a tall, bespectacled gentleman with thick, wavy white hair and a deep passion for the potential of fusion power.
Dubbed Mr. Fusion by lobbyists and lawmakers on the Hill, where he is a frequent presence, Beeuwkes says he has no financial ties to the fusion industry. A 1967 MIT graduate, Beeuwkes and his wife, Nancy, are top Democratic donors, having contributed nearly $1.9 million to political action committees and candidates in the last two election cycles.
Beeuwkes’s most critical role was his support for a Washington-based bipartisan think tank called the American Security Project. The organization was founded in 2006 by a group of retired generals and senators, including Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry, to focus on national security issues.
Fusion became one of its primary issues in 2011 after Beeuwkes began giving money to the think tank and its lobbying arm, the American Security Action Fund. Neither Beeuwkes nor the American Security Project would disclose how much he gives to the organization’s fusion strategy.
The organization hired two lobbying firms to build congressional support for domestic fusion funding, including for MIT. One firm was the Boston-based ADS Ventures, started by Chet Atkins,a former congressman from Massachusetts. Together, Atkins and Beeuwkes, a friend and former neighbor, worked to identify more than a dozen Washington lawmakers to invite to tour the reactor when they were in town for fund-raisers.
Those lawmakers included House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Democratic Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Jon Tester of Montana, and Tom Udall of New Mexico — who serve on the energy and water subcommittee of Senate Appropriations. Beeuwkes and his wife have helped fund the election campaigns of some of the lawmakers.
“People who are calling up to ask for funds always ask you what matters to you, and I tell them,” Beeuwkes said. “That’s good politics.”
Paul Rivenberg for The Boston Globe
Reinier Beeuwkes (center) discussed a diagram of the Alcator C-Mod reactor during a tour at MIT with Senator Mark Udall of Colorado (right) and Martin Greenwald, associate director of the fusion center.
The American Security Project also enlisted K&L Gates, a Washington firm, to work the halls of Congress and keep tabs on the appropriations process.
Their talking points emphasized maintaining America’s leadership in the world and the potential for energy independence. In short, in 20 years, do we want to be buying it from the Chinese or selling it to the Chinese?
“People don’t take fusion energy seriously enough,” Beeuwkes said. “My efforts have been to get people who matter to take this seriously.”
Beeuwkes’s point person at the American Security Project was a Republican named Andrew Holland, the think tank’s senior fellow for energy and climate as well as a lobbyist.
Holland and other MIT supporters argued in Congress and to administration officials that shuttering the fusion experiment would be short-sighted, closing a pipeline of graduate students trained to eventually use the international facility in France.
Economic repercussions from ending MIT’s experiment would also ripple across the country, warned Holland. He created an interactive map showing all of the subcontractors linked to the MIT, Princeton, and General Atomics fusion reactors, as well as the international project, whose US headquarters are in Oak Ridge, Tenn.
The map, depicting how hundreds of subcontractors are spread in 47 of the 50 states, was particularly effective in persuading members to fight for more fusion funding, once they were able to visualize how their state, and constituents, were affected, Holland said.
MIT’s reach, represented by an array of green dots, extends from dozens of fusion-affiliated businesses in Massachusetts across the country to Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Texas and California.
The multipronged battle to save MIT’s project — and the ensuing national mobilization — has been a “wake-up call” for the entire fusion community, Holland said. The lesson: Science needs to be sold if it is going to be properly funded.
Fusion researchers, Holland said, are “happy to have it be a nice little science experiment. They’re scientists. They’re not political animals.
“They thought the Department of Energy would just give them a nice amount of money in perpetuity and they’d be able to experiment,” he said. “This is too important to be left in the hands of the scientists.”
Out of last October’s 16-day government shutdown emerged an opportunity for MIT.
A budget compromise struck between Representative Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who chairs the House Budget Committee, and his Senate counterpart Patty Murray, a Washington Democratic, in December would restore about $63 billion in automatic spending cuts over two years. Would fusion funding be a winner or casualty as that spending package ground toward a final vote?
The Republican-led House had already said yes to fusion, including continued funding for MIT’s experiment.
But the Democratic-controlled Senate had continued to oppose it. Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat and chairwoman of the appropriations energy and water subcommittee, had gone along with the president’s budget for 2014.
“Look, huge amounts of money go into these projects,” Feinstein said during a subcommittee hearing of the Senate energy and water bill last June. “We can’t keep funding if goals aren’t reached.”
In support of MIT, Senator Landrieu gave an impassioned speech during the hearing and expressed concerns that Obama’s cuts to the domestic fusion program would hurt the country’s scientists and universities.
“This is a big issue, it’s a little bit out of my lane, but I’ve learned about it,” Landrieu said, describing her visit to MIT’s reactor. “I would strongly suggest a serious review of what’s going on at MIT because I actually got to walk though the facility and was impressed with what they are doing.”
After months of lobbying, deal-making and congressional cajoling, it all came down to a closed-door bargaining session over the December holidays to head off another government shutdown. As is their way, congressional negotiators privately traded one item for another, never explicitly explaining why any one measure survived or died. But the end result, when the doors reopened, was that Landrieu’s position had prevailed.
In the final budget compromise unveiled in January, the Senate agreed to give MIT $22 million to run its experiment for 12 weeks in 2014 and allow for the remaining graduate students to complete their theses. The reactor would not be deactivated until 2016.
“That was an example of very effective lobbying on MIT’s behalf,” said a Senate aide with direct knowledge of the negotiations. “They invited tons of congressmen and senators to visit the facility. They sent students up here on the Hill to visit each of the member’s offices to talk about the impact that shutting the program would have on the future of fusion leadership in the United States. MIT raised this issue and put it at the top of [people’s] minds.’’
The international fusion project, meanwhile, was funded at $200 million, $25 million less than the administration had originally requested.
MIT had won, at least temporarily. The Obama administration, which got some funding for climate change initiatives out of the deal, gave in — much to the dismay of Brinkman, the former Energy Department official who believed the money should have been eliminated.
“You can say, ‘Hey, look, that’s what democracy is all about: people voice their concerns and go to Congress and get people to change their minds.’ We do not live in a monarchy,” Brinkman, who left the administration in April 2013 and is now a senior physicist at Princeton, said in a recent interview. “What can I say? It was a judgment that MIT wasn’t really prepared to live with. . . . Nobody wants to kill their own program.”
For MIT and its allies, it was an exhilarating against-the-odds victory. But the fight to keep the program going has, in fact, only just begun.
The controversy over the program flared again during an April subcommittee hearing on next year’s energy and water budget and whether MIT should be in it. Feinstein skeptically grilled an Energy Department official on why the administration backtracked and requested funding for the MIT project in 2015.
“As I understand it,” she said, “in your 2015 budget, you asked for $18 million to conduct research at this facility. The $18 million is only for five weeks of operation and supports 12 graduate students. This would be $1.5 million per graduate student.”
Deputy Secretary of Energy Daniel Poneman, who represented the administration on fusion at the hearing, told Feinstein that the extra three years of funding would give the students a smoother transition and allow them to finish their research.
Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz sat next to Poneman but didn’t speak. As an MIT nuclear physicist appointed to Obama’s Cabinet in 2013, Moniz felt he had to recuse himself.
Still, his presence may have sent a message.
“Let’s be honest,” Capuano said. “Having Moniz there at least helps re-draw the big bold line that this isn’t the top priority to cut.”
At MIT’s reactor relaunch ceremony, the theatrics reached a climax when Senator Warren pushed the jerry-rigged launch button. She was simultaneously restarting the reactor, re-igniting MIT’s fusion dream, and celebrating the culmination of a furious political push.
The experiments could go on. No one would be laid off.
“It’s thrilling,” Warren said, shaking the hands of university officials who greeted her as a hero. “This is our future. Our future in science, and our future in power.”
“Mr. Fusion” — Beeuwkes — was on hand for the moment, wearing a suit and tie and a triumphant smile.
He sat in the back of the control room and, while downplaying his role, handed reporters, politicians, and their aides color copies of papers on fusion that he had printed out at home.
“These guys are building a power plant,” he exclaimed, pointing at the rows of scientists hunched over their computers. “We went to the moon! Why can’t we do this?”
As Warren turned to pose for photographs with researchers, L. Rafael Reif, the university president, clasped the senator’s hands with both of his.
“Senator Warren, you fought a good fight for the whole year,” he said. “I owe you a great deal.”
37 Comments on "MIT’s fusion energy experiment is alive and well"
Plantagenet on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 10:21 am
Good to hear that Sen Warren is smarter than Obama (which isn’t a big accomplishment). The Obama administrations efforts to defund science have been defeated. HooRAY for Elizabeth Warren!
tahoe1780 on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 10:23 am
So where are we with thorium?
bobinget on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 10:46 am
It’s not that Sen Warren is any smarter then President Obama, she’s not yet The President. More to the point
she doesn’t need to balance the world on the head of a nail. Just watch this most principled of humans become another victim of reality politics once elected.
Anyway, thanks for the article. I’ve been skeptical, up to now.
Beery on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 11:20 am
Surprising to see so many at Peakoil.com gleefully jumping on the fusion bandwagon, especially given that there’s no evidence that fusion will be clean, sustainable or even economical. All this is is yet another tech cornucopian wet dream, so let’s not get too excited.
Plantagenet on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 11:34 am
Surprising to see many at Peakoil.com joining the ignorami who don’t understand or support science. The evidence that fusion is clean, sustainable and economical is right in front of your eyes. Its called the sun. Try to live without it.
Perk Earl on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 11:59 am
“But for a fusion reactor to actually generate electric power, the plasma must become dense and hot enough to produce more energy than the reactor uses to create it, and the reaction has to be sustained continuously. A feat akin to creating a captive “star,” it so far has not been achieved anywhere, despite decades of research and engineering efforts.”
Nuff said.
Plantagenet on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 12:48 pm
Nothing has been done until the first time its done. Thats what research and science and innovation and discovery are all about yet. Cancer hasn’t been cured yet either. Gosh, we better give up. No wrist watch cell phones have been marketed—we’d better stop that because it hasn’t been done yet. No point researching electric batteries to improve the range of electric cars—no one has perfected it yet.
SHeeeeeSH! Thank god we’ve got scientists to do this work.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 1:32 pm
Actually, what is alive and well — with nuclear fusion leading the way — is the hope that advanced technology will “save the planet”, as the article says.
Or, if we were to really state the most basic truth, nuclear fusion is the advanced technology that the financial and industrial elites HOPE will save them and their positions of wealth and power ON planet earth.
Since BAU is destroying planet earth and THAT nobody can deny, and since TPTB are hoping that nuclear fusion will REPLACE oil as the main source of energy to run BAU, we can hardly come to the conclusion that the people funding this project are trying to save the world. Just themselves. That’s my opinion.
But you know, I love science. So sure, let’s see what they can do. They just better hurry the hell up. It won’t be too far in the future where not only will their funding disappear, the entire infrastructure that supports super-complex science project likes this one will be long gone as well.
Aspera on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 2:36 pm
A statement by Kenneth Boulding on what research and science and innovations and discovery can be about:
Boulding was making an “individual statement” on pages 616-617 of the National Academy of Sciences study Energy in Transition, 1985-2010: Final Report of the Committee on Nuclear and Alternative Energy Systems. Remember as you read it that this was written in 1980.
… The great uncertainties here are in the area of the future of human knowledge, know-how, and skill. There is a nonexistence theorem about prediction in this area, in the sense that if we could predict what we are going to know at some time in the future, we would not have to wait, for we would know it now. It is not surprising, therefore, that the great technical changes have never been anticipated, neither the development of oil and gas, nor the automobile, nor the computer.
In preparing for the future, therefore, it is very important to have a wide range of options and to think in advance about how we are going to react to the worst cases as well as the best. The report does not quite do this. There is an underlying assumption throughout, for instance, that we will solve the problem of the development of large quantities of usable energy from constantly renewable sources, say, by 2010. Suppose, however, that in the next 50, 100, or 200 years we do not solve this problem; what then? It can hardly be doubted that there will be a deeply traumatic experience for the human race, which could well result in a catastrophe for which there is no historical parallel.
It is a fundamental principle that we cannot discover what is not there. For nearly 100 years, for instance, there have been very high payoffs for the discovery of a cheap, light, and capacious battery for storing electricity on a large scale; we have completely failed to solve this problem. It is very hard to prove that something is impossible, but this failure at least suggests that the problem is difficult. The trouble with all permanent or long-lasting sources of energy, like the sun or the earth’s internal heat, is that they are extremely diffuse and the cost of concentrating their energy may therefore be very high. Or with a bit of luck, it may not; we cannot be sure. To face a winding down of the extraordinary explosion of economic development that followed the rise of science and the discovery of fossil fuels would require extraordinary courage and sense of community on the part of the human race, which we could develop perhaps only under conditions of high perception of extreme challenge. I hope this may never have to take place, but it seems to me we cannot rule it out of our scenarios altogether.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11771
J-Gav on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 2:38 pm
Money money money money, money money money money … as Joel Gray and Lisa Minelli used to sing.
What is hard for many to grasp is that EVEN IF someday fusion technology actually works (and that’s not impossible), there will no longer be enough investment capital around to scale it up to any meaningful level.
I have nothing against Senator Warren or science in general, but reality does have a way of asserting itself precisely when people appreciate it the least.
Plantagenet on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 3:14 pm
@NW Resident
The “people funding this project” are you and I. The rich have nothing to do with it—-fusion research is supported by the US taxpayer. The obama administration killed off the space shuttle and gutted NASA, but so far they haven’t killed off US research into nuclear physics, thanks to thoughtful intelligent people like Sen. Warren
@3-Gav
Of course reality assets itself. Thats why we need to fund and support science—science is the study of reality.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 3:27 pm
Plantagenet — You’re right. The elites are funding this project with OUR tax dollars — that’s what I meant to say. But the politicians who are voting to fund this project with OUR money have been bought and paid for by the wealthy elites with THEIR money. So, we’re all kicking in a little and doing our part.
I personally don’t blame Obama for cutting NASA funding. The space program had a nice run while it lasted. Do you realize how much fuel it takes to launch one of those rockets into space. Obama’s budget cuts to NASA look realistic — I mean, other than launching the occasional spy satellite or other military application technology into space, what else is there left to do up there? Go to Mars? Good luck with that. The end of high-tech is coming on fast, simply because we don’t have enough oil/energy to keep it all going. Cutting science programs in favor of strengthening military and security and putting more money into collapse preparation seems like a smart thing to do to me, even at the national level.
dubya on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 4:04 pm
“what else is there left to do up there?”
Um, the infinite universe is up there, I’m sure somebody on this planet could think of something else to do up there eg in the infinite expanse of everything that is not earth.
Now, I’m pretty sure we blew our chance to do something else up there by wasting the planets legacy of fossil fuels on buying plastic crap at Malwart; but I’m not convinced that betting the only known form of life in the universe on a mortal star was the most rational choice for DNA based life.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 4:19 pm
dubya — Exactly. There is an infinite amount of knowledge and “things to do” in space. But, as you point out, perhaps I should have stated “What is there left to do up there, given the fact that we’ve totally wasted our energy inheritance on war, greed, gluttony and mountains of useless “stuff” most of which is floating in the ocean right now or buried in landfills.
HARM on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 4:46 pm
“Earl Marmar, head of MIT’s Alcator C-Mod project, defended his program, saying in an interview that its productivity is “as high or higher” than other reactors when judged by the number of scientific papers published and articles cited by outside researchers in the last five years.”
Wow, so if “the number of scientific papers published” is how success is defined these days, then MIT should hire a hundred more technical writers and be even *more* “successful”!
J-Gav on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 4:48 pm
Northwest – Just checking, we may have a slight disagreement here. You seem to be in favor of beefing up military and security spending, which, for the U.S. is already as much as the rest of the world combined.
I have no problem with your suggestion that committing more of our dwindling resources to collapse preparation would be a good thing, but military/security spending?
Give more money to the idiots who waste billions on crap like the F-22, the F-35 and an all-pervasive surveillance system which is incapable of processing all the info it hauls in? No thanks. We ‘should’ have a better, more efficient military at a much lower cost (same thing for pharmaceuticals, etc). Losing 3 out of 4 (admittedly undeclared – Congress has abdicated its role there) wars in succession is not a very positive sign.
I’m speaking of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention disastrous ‘peripheral’ skirmishes in places like Somalia, Libya or, presently, Syria. Throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Read up on people like William Binney and Winslow Wheeler to get an idea of the waste and corruption involved.
The last thing we need today is a new arms race, diverting shrinking funds from the health, infrastructure, alt-energy, biodiversity enhancement efforts which ought to be priorities.
As for NASA, they’ve done some good work and don’t deserve to be strangled to death. That said, I agree that colonizing Mars, the Moon, etc has no place in our future. Pared-down, ultra-prioritized spending is the only way ahead in all of these areas. Does anybody in the upper echelons have an inkling of the risks involved if that is not the case?
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:00 pm
J-Gav — From TPTB point of view, I would suspect that it makes sense to put more money into building the military, security forces, and making preparation for collapse. It makes sense to me too, when I look at it from their point of view. I’m not personally advocating building up the military more.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:01 pm
Gav, he may have been leaning to the homeland security aspect of the “strengthening the military” We may need some military back here in the US to maintain law and order. If we do have a collapse much will be lost without some kind of order.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:11 pm
Davy — I am hopeful that in a collapse scenario, our military and civilian and security forces will put the clamp down on riot and mayhem to the greatest extent possible. To do that, they certainly don’t need to beef up the military more — just bring home what they’ve got, or some fraction of it — like the Afghan fighting force, for example, most of which is due to return to America toward the end of this year. Combine those well disciplined and experienced fighters and crowd control experts with the militarized police forces we see popping up across America, and my guess is they can lock down most of America pretty tight.
Not that there won’t still be a lot of mayhem and trouble, but I would expect them to minimize it and keep order far better than if they weren’t around.
Just speculation and hoping, I guess.
J-Gav on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:26 pm
NW – Understood. Davy – Yep, but what kind of ORDER? ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ was the name of Sinclair Lewis’ 1935 novel where a certain Buzz Windrip (I ain’t makin’ this shit up) becomes dictator of the U.S.
A few years later, Roosevelt’s Vice-President Henry Wallace voiced similar warnings re: the plot to enlist General Smedley Butler for an ultra-right wing coup. Butler declined the offer and publicly denounced it – but you won’t read about that episode in the American history books taught in our schools…
The point being, these people still exist, though their names have changed, and would like nothing better than a good pretext for a major social and political clampdown.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:53 pm
Yeap, Gav, security is a very risky need of us civilians. I am very worried about the wrong kind of security but I am also very worried about no security or vigilante security. I guess it will be another aspect where luck will play a role. If the security centers on the local with command and control at the state level we may have the necessary controls in place in most states “I hope”. We will also have to worry about civil war between states where issues like water and energy flair up. This is going to be a messy affair. I am hoping those who take charge believe in the American of our founding fathers and turn away from warlordism.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 5:55 pm
speaking of the devil’s tail!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-09/across-america-police-departments-are-quietly-preparing-war
Plantagenet on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 7:22 pm
I found J-Gav’s suggestion that the US Government spend part of its budget on “collapse preparation” rather amusing.
How do you “prepare” to collapse? Shall we schedule collapse in for tuesday—-I’ve got an opening then.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaah!
Davey on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 8:34 pm
Plant, 1st thing you do to prep is do a reality check something you refuse to acknowledge.
Northwest Resident on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 9:24 pm
Plantagenet — When you know that something really bad is headed your way and there isn’t anything you can do about it, you prepare yourself as best as possible. At least, that’s what smart people do. How about you? Will you still be laughing, totally unprepared, clinging to your ill-informed hope when the tsunami of radical change crashes down around you?
Makati1 on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 9:37 pm
Fusion = Fiction.
Sean on Mon, 9th Jun 2014 11:53 pm
The problem is that even IF we actually got an inexhaustible form of energy, then humans will do what they have always done: expand, and expand some more. If not in population (which will plateau this century), then in consumption (rising rapidly everywhere). Our economies are also built around this expansionist model. Got to change that, or forget it.
Norm on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 3:41 am
welfare bums
J-Gav on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 4:03 am
Plant – They’re already doing it, they just don’t call it ‘collapse preparation.’ What do you think the extended COG planning is all about? Or the empty detention centers built around the country?
bob on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 9:56 am
Unfortunately you can’t prepare for what is coming…maybe it makes you feel better like you are doing something that matters but in the end your efforts will be futile and foolish….a nuclear wasteland is no place to live in….go buy that expensive bottle of wine and live it up!!
Davey on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 10:07 am
Bob, prepping is a higher level hobby/activity than most so there is reason 1. Bob , when the last few days or hours are near each hour or day will have high value. You better have a large wine cellar to make your option work. Better to have both don’t to think Bob?
Northwest Resident on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 10:39 am
bob — As for me, I’m not ready to give up so easy, and “a nuclear wasteland” is not necessarily unavoidable. I tend to think that when collapse really sets in, those nuclear power plants are going to be prime assets cherished by the governments that control them — they will be the only thing keeping the lights on. I imagine governments have plans in place to keep those nuclear power plants going — though, of course, something could go wrong which would affect a localized area — like with Chernobyl. But anyway, having a defeatist attitude never led to success — but courage, planning ahead and determination to persevere despite all obstacles sure has.
Davey on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 10:43 am
What about a wine cellar n/r. Bob made a good point there!
Northwest Resident on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 10:54 am
Davey — A wine cellar would be a nice addition! After I get my two 1200 gallon water storage tanks built, and my root cellar built, and my brick/stone outdoor wood burning oven built, and my new and improved greenhouse built, and my newly planned chicken coups and rabbit hutches built — THEN, next on the list might be a wine cellar. But actually, since I drink almost zero wine per year, probably I’ll think of something else to build by the time I get to the wine cellar.
Davey on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 11:03 am
Funny how preppers think alike. I am building a stone bread oven like you see at the pizza joints
Northwest Resident on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 11:26 am
Davey — Yeah, that’s my plan too, exactly. Except mine is going to be a “deluxe” model with a BBQ grill off to the side.
I’m growing my own wheat, rye, barley and corn. I’ve got the equipment to grind it all into flour. What good is that without a way to cook it into bread or other edible end-products?
Hey, we’ll have to trade pics of our finished ovens once we’re done with them. Don’t expect mine to look pretty (other than pretty ugly), but I’m sure it will work just fine.
Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 10th Jun 2014 12:35 pm
N/R, mine is a converted picnic hut here on the farm that will serve as a summer kitchen/bread production spot. This picnic hut was set up with a spot for a barbecue pit with flue all done in fire brick and masonry. All I need to do is add the additions to make it an oven. I also recommend a charcoal kiln. They are very easy to make. I have several spots on the farm for wheat and corn which grow very well here.