Inventors of Omnidirectional Wind Turbine Win James Dyson Award

86 Comments on "Inventors of Omnidirectional Wind Turbine Win James Dyson Award"

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 5:59 pm 



MOB, see my above assertion on brainwashing. LOL

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 6:40 pm 



“Cloggie, most Americans are brainwashed and have no idea what the real world is like.”

I see billy is up and full of intelligent things to say…LOL what a senile old man.

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 6:52 pm 



Ignore mob nedernazi. He’s just jealous that your my favourite mortal enemy on the board. Mob doesn’t even make the top 100 on my list.

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 6:53 pm 



Mak

You are the one who worked for the Moron church and wore magic underwear..You worshiped a con artist in Joseph Smith..and you believe god lived on planet in the solar system called “Kolab”..

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 6:56 pm 



Ignore mob billy. He’s just jealous that your my most hated self made enemy on the board.

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 7:18 pm 



MOB, I went to church because my wife wanted me to and was a member. When I got divorced, I never went back. I knew it was a scam from the start, but you do things you may not want to do when you are married. try it sometime and see what I mean.

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 7:23 pm 



“During 2000–2016, suicide rates among American workers (aged 16–64 years) jumped 34%, from 12.9 per 100,000 population to 17.3, according to a newly published report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)….

Suicide rates are rapidly expanding in almost every state, as it now becomes the 10th leading cause of death in the US and is one of three leading reasons that are on the rise….

Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog analyzed recent Social Security Administration data of median yearly wages in the US. He discovered 50% of all American workers make less than $30,533 per year, which of course is not enough money to sustain a middle-class lifestyle….

34% of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
48% of all American workers made less than $30,000 last year.
59% of all American workers made less than $40,000 last year.
68% of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-16/middle-class-destroyed-suicide-rates-soar-among-american-workers

Collapse is well under way in the US. Slip slidin’…

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 7:56 pm 



“Germany’s wind energy mess: As subsidies expire, thousands Of turbines to close”

“Summary: A large number of Germany’s 29,000 turbines are approaching 20-years-old and for the most part, they are outdated [my note: 20 years is the lifespan of wind turbines]. The generous subsidies granted at the time of their installation are slated to expire soon and thus make them unprofitable. By 2020, 5,700 turbines with an installed capacity of 45 MW will see their subsidies run out. And after 2020, thousands of these turbines will lose their subsidies with each passing year, which means they will be taken offline and mothballed. So with new turbines coming online only slowly, it’s entirely possible that wind energy output in Germany will decline in the coming years.”

http://energyskeptic.com/2018/germanys-wind-energy-mess-as-subsidies-expire-thousands-of-turbines-to-close/

Commercial alt-energy only works with taxpayer’s subsidies. If it ain’t profitable it ain’t gonna happen.

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 7:57 pm 



Zerohedge is not a source of factual information stupid.

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 8:10 pm 



Mak

You are like a ghoul finding pleasure in other people’s misery..

This is why your family hates you..And why your wife left you..

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 8:32 pm 



MOB: You, like the other delusionist here, like to tell me what my life is like but have no clue. You are as totally off base as he is. You want it to be that way because you are frustrated, have no life and are stuck in a dying country. Your choice. I got out and am watching the show from the balcony 8,000 miles away.

Yes, I am finding pleasure in watching the US get what is coming to it, finally. Payback is a bitch and the US has a lot of payback coming home. At least 100 year’s worth.

It has to be taken down so the rest of the world can have peace. Way down so it cannot ever wage wars or have a say in any other country’s government or economy. It is happening and gaining speed.

Trump is the best thing for the destruction of the US and the rest of the world is cheering him on. He is working to isolate America like no other president ever has. GO TRUMP! Throw in the Federal Reserve’s destruction of the economy and the next few years are going to be exciting for Americans. Not fun, just exciting. LOL

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 8:57 pm 



Mak

boo hooo..America has invaded other countries..My feelings are hurt..Somewhere something isnt equal..boo hoo..

You sound like a snow flake..

If it wasn’t the US doing it someone else would..Enough with your self righteousness..You sound like a religious person.

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:05 pm 



Ignore mob, billy. He thinks that mass murdering is all right. Stupid blind lying liberel dumbass.

Go Trump! Make America Great Again! Rah rah rah!

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:10 pm 



Between the delusionists, the insane and the pretenders (sometimes the same person), this site is going downhill just like the US. Slip slidin’…

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:12 pm 



MOB, since you are too much of a coward to pull the trigger, you are going to end up as some huge black thug’s bitch. Better buy lots of lube. Your pretend intelligence and education will not save you. LOL

Davy on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:15 pm 



Just between me and you billy, your the main reason I get up every morning. It’s a love-hate thingy. Call me insane.

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:30 pm 



McDonald’s Employee Fired For Placing His Mixtapes In Children’s Happy Meals

Tyshuan defended his actions by saying his mixtape was “so hot”, it would keep the happy meal warm for hours.

https://www.huzlers.com/mcdonalds-employee-fired-for-placing-his-mixtape-in-childrens-happy-meals/?fbclid=IwAR0k0fhpDstya7jPNo5mZwpJlJjdYXOz0OeBZm0z6yDQnszoH7nriGi4GG0

Duncan Idaho on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:31 pm 



“My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights—or very early mornings—when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder’s jacket… booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change)… but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that…

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda.… You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning.…

And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave.…

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”

Cloggie on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 10:25 pm 



“Sooner you collapse via oil shortage the sooner the US can take your factories..Just like we did before back during WW2..‘“

We all vividly remember what you did to Europe, so you could set up your kosher empire. But now the tide is turning. When America will descend into chaos of CW2, like this…

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/endlos-konflikt-in-der-ukraine-die-vergessenen-des-donbass-fotostrecke-165103.html

…the rest of the world can and will do with you what it wants.

#110

– Macron openly wants an EU-army to defend itself against the US.
– Russia is already openly expecting, preparing a war against you… and winning it in Syria.
– China no longer takes orders from the US, witnessing the Asia-Pacific summit that ended in failure.
– Britain is going nowhere with Brexit, can’t really escape from EU gravity, like earth cannot escape from the sun:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/brexit-grossbritannien-gegen-bruessel-europa-laesst-sich-nicht-aufloesen-a-1238999.html

The Trump presidency itself is a clear sign of US division and uprising against the logic of empire.

The whole world is in flux and the empire is melting away like snow in the sun.

2025 max. We are going to take YOUR factories. Everybody on this planet wants to live in white lands. Now even white Americans want that too. THAT and nothing else will initiate, not only the end of empire, but the end of the US as well.

Cloggie on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 10:40 pm 



The essence of Barnier-Raab deal: “Norway” until negotiators have found something else:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6404065/EU-chief-Michel-Barnier-offers-extend-Britains-transition-period-2022.html

…like sabotaging Brexit or turning “Norway” into something permanent.

…or a 2nd referendum which would likely overturn Brexit:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402631/Corbyn-says-second-referendum-option-demands-UK-stays-EU-customs-union.html

Remember that the Brexit vote came before the Trump presidency and Syria defeat. We are living in an entirely different world now. Anglo supremacy is over and Peter Hitchins says that Britain is but a small, insignificant country, that needs to return to reality

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:24 am 



Billy, you enjoy this shit so STFU. You have been promoting hate and discontent ever since I have been here.

makati1 on Sun, 18th Nov 2018 9:10 pm
Between the delusionists, the insane and the pretenders (sometimes the same person), this site is going downhill just like the US. Slip slidin’…

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:37 am 



“The whole world is in flux and the empire is melting away like snow in the sun.”
I agree but this started back in 2003 so that makes it past tense

“2025 max. We are going to take YOUR factories.”
Nonsense from one that is clueless about the systematic nature of modern global economics and the fact we are all trapped together

“Everybody on this planet wants to live in white lands. Now even white Americans want that too.”
Racist nonsense

“THAT and nothing else will initiate, not only the end of empire, but the end of the US as well.”
The US could very well be the last man standing because the rest of the world is going down the shitter especially Euroland

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:42 am 



“Remember that the Brexit vote came before the Trump presidency and Syria defeat.”
Syria is destroyed so it is defeated. Russia is stuck paying bills and protecting a destroyed land. I see no “win” there. The US is still there. The neocon did not get rid of Assad so that is a political loss that is if he remains. You never know in that part of the world.

“We are living in an entirely different world now.”
BS, neder, this is the same world of a few years ago. One thing that is changing and you are in denial of is Euroland is coming apart. This is the reason you are so pressured to talk about these issues obsessively daily. Come on the more you talk about it does not make it more so.

I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:53 am 



Clogg

Your vision is nothing but make believe..You are the worlds second largest oil importer and headed for a shortage..We have enough oil and have Iraq now to cover the difference from shale..You are going to fall hard..And we will take your industry again..France and Macron the fag boy aint going to do shit..

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:56 am 



IDENTITY THEFT

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:24 am
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Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 5:04 am 



not me:

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 4:56 am

Antius on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:29 am 



Offshore wind is approaching a key limit. Up until now, wind energy economics could be improved by scaling up wind turbines to ever greater sizes. Siemens presently manufacture 7MW turbines and anticipate 10MW turbines by 2020.

However, a recent design study found that a 20MW turbine would be impractical and would push up total cost, rather than reducing it.

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/print/special-supplement-wind-technology/volume-1/issue-3/wind-power/achieving-the-20-mw-wind-turbine.html

‘UpWind established that ‘the same, but bigger’ would simply not work. Starting with a reference 5 MW wind turbine it initially extrapolated this reference design to upscale it to 10 MW, and then on to 20 MW.

This virtual 20 MW design was unanimously assessed as almost impossible to manufacture, and uneconomic. It would weigh 880 tonnes on top of a tower making it impossible to store today at a standard dockside, or to install offshore with the current installation vessels and cranes.

The support structures able to carry such mass, placed at 153 metres height, are not possible to mass manufacture today. The blade length would exceed 120 metres, making it the world’s largest ever manufactured composite element, which cannot be produced as a single piece with today’s technologies. The blade wall thickness would also exceed 30 cm, which puts constraints on the heating of inner material core during the manufacturing process, and the blade length would also require new types of fibres in order to resist the loads.’

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:46 am 



diminishing returns!!

Antius in regards to solar photovoltaic array do you have any information on the technology envelope?

Antius on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 8:39 am 



“Antius in regards to solar photovoltaic array do you have any information on the technology envelope?”

Not really. There have been experiments with multi-junction cells for some years now. I don’t have any up to date information beyond what a Google search would provide. From what I remember, there is an approximate upper limit of about 40% on the efficiency of multi-junction cells. But I haven’t had the time to read up on the science for quite a while now. Maybe Cloggie knows more?

Thin film PV appears to have a cost advantage over amorphous silicon wafers for utility grade systems. This is the case in spite of lower efficiency overall, suggesting that the lower embodied energy of thin film (and lower labour cost in fabrication?) is more important than conversion efficiency in driving down capital costs. Hence, highly efficient but more complex and optimised cells are not necessarily the best solution for achieving the lowest total cost. Instead, it is important to develop panels that can be mass produced very cheaply using basic materials.

Having researched alternative (non-fossil) energy for some time; a key finding is the importance of economy of scale and concentrating investment. The levelised cost of energy for PV is substantially lower for utility grade power plants with installed capacity of tens of MW (peak) than it is compared to small rooftop installations, with capacity just a few kW (peak). For utility grade facilities, solar PV in high insolation areas is now one of the cheapest forms of electricity on a non-buffered kWh basis; whereas for rooftop installations it is one of the most expensive. This would appear to be due to the additional energy cost of the framework needed to attach the panels to the roof; the wiring and inverter needed to transform DC into AC; the smart meter needed to allow feed-in to the grid and the non-trivial cost of the skilled labour needed to install the system.

From past calculations I was able to determine that even in high population density countries like Netherlands; the cost of agricultural land was an almost negligible addition to the cost of a unit of solar PV electricity. The scale economy benefits of utility grade PV mean that even in places with expensive land, utility grade PV is much cheaper than a large number of smaller rooftop systems.

This suggests to me that political programmes subsidising small-scale home systems, with feed in tariffs with subsidy up to 1Euro per kWh; are misguided. There will always be applications for small-scale systems where grid connection costs too much and where electricity demand is small. Customers should not be subsidised when buying something that will always be inherently more expensive. For most customers with existing grid connection, it makes far more sense to simply purchase power from large grid-based suppliers, both renewable and otherwise. A billion Euro of investment will buy five times more utility grade solar PV capacity than rooftop PV. The same is true of wind power. Large wind farms with clusters of multi-MW turbines will always deliver power much more cheaply and with much better EROI than many millions of smaller rood-mounted turbines.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 8:49 am 



“diminishing returns!!”

The author Jos Beurskens, who I know from my student days, is by no means a wind energy skeptic:

https://winterwind.se/portrait-jos-beurskens/

There is a limit to everything, so why not to wind turbine size. It doesn’t matter, offshore wind is already the cheapest way to generate electricity, if you ignore fluctuation aspect.

Perhaps the currently largest 12MW Haliade-X will be the largest ever build.

Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 9:00 am 



“This would appear to be due to the additional energy cost of the framework needed to attach the panels to the roof; the wiring and inverter needed to transform DC into AC; the smart meter needed to allow feed-in to the grid and the non-trivial cost of the skilled labour needed to install the system.”

Yea, I have my costs to verify the above statement. There is also value to being off grid that you can’t really price in. In my case it is a hybrid system. I can be on or off the grid by a flip of a switch for any of my circuit breakers. The high draw items like electric oven, electric dryer, and back up electric water heater cannot be switched. This protects my batteries and inverter. I have converted my electric dryer to using hot water from my wood boiler for in the winter when the wood boiler is always running. I can use either grid or boiler for the dryer because in the summer I limit my wood boiler to days when we are using hot water for several appliances and showers. The adaptation for the dryer puts off too much heat in the summer so I only use electric for the dryer in the summer. We also hang cloths outdoors. I use the wood boiler only when needed in the summer and this is my summer demand management strategy. I do demand management with my solar also. I use solar to the maximum of potential in the summer during the day when I have good sun and only during the day. This way I limit the use of my batteries to lower cycle time degradation of performance.

Antius on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 9:47 am 



“There is a limit to everything, so why not to wind turbine size. It doesn’t matter, offshore wind is already the cheapest way to generate electricity, if you ignore fluctuation aspect.”

The fluctuation aspect is where the majority of effort should be concentrated. For northern European countries, a mixture of wind and solar PV appears to be able to deliver electric power at competitive cost – until intermittency has to be factored in. At present, we are dealing with this problem by using a hybrid system, in which wind/solar is used to reduce the fuel bill at CCGT power plants. The combined system costs more overall, because you pay for two power plants instead of one; but reduced fuel costs do partially offset the cost of the wind and solar power plants. Many back-up providers are going to the wall, because they are not being compensated for reduced market share in situations where wind and solar power producers have guaranteed priority and simply dump their output onto the grid. The fact that bulk electricity prices frequently go negative in places like Germany, at a time when total renewable generation amounts to about one third of total annual electricity demand; is telling us that the energy transition is not going very smoothly.

Ultimately, we need a situation in which consumers are able to adapt to intermittent supply. Instead of equipping consumers with expensive microgeneration schemes and feedin tariffs; install systems that allow them to absorb intermittent supply. Things like thermal storage systems in hot water or Aga type cookers; that can be controlled by grid operators, for instance. This allows renewable energy capacity to expand beyond the need for back up plants. It also allows consumers access to relatively cheap electricity from large stand-alone renewable energy plants, provided they have in place the infrastructure needed absorb intermittent supply.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 9:59 am 



@Antius – solar parks do perform better than privately owned panels-on-roof, but not impressively so: 12.5%

https://www.vrijopnaam.nl/nieuws/zonnepaneel-in-zonnepark-presteert-beter-dan-op-dak

Reason: optimal orientation, no shadow, regular cleaning.

I disagree that land use is no issue in Holland, it very much is, witnessing expensive projects like Solaroad.

Efficiency: max Shockley-Weisser limit of 33.7% for a simply solar cell with single p-n boundary.

World record (2014) 46% (Fraunhofer/Soitec, DE/F).

Max theoretical efficiency stacked cell: 69%

Expectation thin film solar cost: less than 10 euro cent per Wp or 30€ for a 300W panel, according to my alma mater, TU Eindhoven, so it is true.lol

https://www.topsectorenergie.nl/sites/default/files/uploads/Urban%20energy/kennisdossier/Thin%20Film%20PV%20technologies.pdf

P12

In other words, too cheap to meter.

There is no long term energy problem, only a (very solvable) storage problem.

Solar economy is next.

Antius on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:19 am 



“solar parks do perform better than privately owned panels-on-roof, but not impressively so: 12.5%”

I am not talking about performance in terms of kWh per square metre, though that is not a trivial consideration in itself. I am talking about levelised cost of energy. Take a look at the table from Lazard (2017) in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Solar PV – Rooftop Residential: $187 – 319 (average = $253 per MWh)
Solar PV – Thin Film Utility Scale: $43 – 48 (average = $45.5 per MWh)

Rooftop PV is 5.5 times more expensive than utility thin film. That is the case even though the basic technology of the cells is the same. Most consumers do not care about where their power comes from. But they really do care about how much it costs. A cost of $45.5 is competitive with just about any other electricity source, if you can find ways of tolerating intermittency. A cost of $253 is not. If I can pay $45.5 for a unit of electricity, why would I choose to pay $253? This is why I believe it is much better building big plants and focusing any extra money on finding demand side solutions to intermittency. If we can do that, then the energy crisis can be solved. But I am not going to trivialise the challenge of doing so.

We need to focus government and industry research on adapting energy end-use to intermittent grid electricity. By that, I mean electricity drawn from wind and solar power plants without back-up and storage.

Free Speech Forum on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 11:16 pm 



If you control the Fed, Wall Street, Hollywood, and the media, you can rule the world.

You can give campaign donations and cushy job promises or make Deep State threats to politicians to make any law, tax, or subsidy that benefits you and punishes your competition.

You can brainwash and distract the population to support anything that benefits you.

You can call for wars that benefit defense companies, protect Israel, and lead to more refugees.

You can call for anti-family laws, welfare, and illegal immigration that weakens and divides Americans.

You can use political correctness, lawsuits, hire protesters, and buy off websites, search engines, and reporters to shut down any free speech.

You can call for new laws that fill private prisons.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/167289/nanjing-jewish-studies

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 11:51 pm 



“Free Speech Forum” understands what’s going on in America.

And our resident neocon “I AM THE MOB” is the premier representative here of those who plan our destruction.

As he said yesterday: “DIE WHITEY, DIE!”

Time to get real tough with them.