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Controlled Thermonuclear Fusion: The Time is Now
There are no limits to growth—that is the response we can all provide to Greta Thunberg and her controllers like Prince Charles and Michael Bloomberg. Lyndon LaRouche wrote the book, There Are No Limits to Growth! in 1983—that was 37 years ago. He was responding to the idea of “limits to growth”—that all of us were going to have to cut down our consumption, and eventually cut down our population—was being promoted.
Five and a half years ago, LaRouche elaborated his economic views in a rather short statement of principle, known as the “Four Laws.” (You’ve heard of the Ten Commandments that came down on a “tablet,” but I don’t know what operating system Moses used.) LaRouche came up with his Four Laws for economic revival, survival, and expansion. This starts with the return to Glass-Steagall: we separate commercial banking from investment banking. We create a national bank from which you can issue credit for great projects such as high-speed rail, fission power plants, and small modular fission reactors. LaRouche’s Fourth Law presents the idea of using a science-driver policy to drive the economy forward. Similar to the Manhattan Project, and the NASA Apollo project, LaRouche called for a crash program for a revival of the space program and fusion power—controlled thermonuclear power.
What is Nuclear Fusion?
The Universe has already shown us the way. The most abundant power source in the universe is thermonuclear fusion inside the stars. Our star, the Sun, is a perfect example. It has the advantage of having a huge mass, more than 300,000 times the mass of the Earth. At the core of the Sun, you have the conditions to fuse lighter elements like hydrogen into heavier elements like helium, releasing a huge amount of energy in the process. Since we don’t have such massive gravity available to us on Earth, we have to use different methods to achieve those pressures. We have had thermonuclear fusion on Earth for about 68 years, in the form of a thermonuclear (fusion) bomb.
The first device was tested in 1952; it was called “Mike.” It was about the size of this library, a huge device, and it was triggered by a smaller fission bomb. The yield on the fission bombs like the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bomb was in the range of 10-20 kilotons, or 20,000 tons of TNT-equivalent energy released. The first thermonuclear device tested released over 1,000 times that yield, so it was in the megatons, 10-megaton range. That is not a very efficient power plant—because it blows itself up when you use it! So, the goal since the ’50s has been to control the thermonuclear fusion so you can use it as a limitless power source.
The Road to Controlled Fusion Energy
There are two major methods of achieving fusion. While we have not achieved breakeven—more energy released than required to induce the fusion—as of January 2020, we are coming closer and closer. One physicist compared it to the idea that, “if you are climbing a mountain, you go up the mountain until you reach the summit.” Well, we’re about seven-tenths of the way up. We haven’t reached the summit yet. Pessimists keep repeating, “Well, because we haven’t done it, that means we’ll never achieve it.” It’s the repeated sour line, “Fusion is 30 years away, and it will always be 30 years away.”
Let’s look at two examples of what man has done in the past, the first one being man-powered flight. If you think back, man had been dreaming of flying like birds for thousands of years, but it was only 117 years ago that we first achieved powered flight. The Wright Brothers, think back: Where did they get their education? Where did they go to school? Where did they get their aeronautical engineering degree? They were mechanics and they had their own bicycle shop; they observed the flight of birds, and were able to figure it out. But the first engine that they used for powered flight had about 8 horsepower and produced about 90 pounds of thrust. The length of the first flight was about 212 feet. That’s less than the wingspan of your average big jumbo jet.
Think about what followed after that. Within 66 years, we went from flying the mere length of a football field, to landing on the Moon, almost 250,000 miles away. There were a lot of steps in between. Let’s look at one important step. Robert Goddard, from Massachusetts, figured out in the 1920s how to use liquid fuel, liquid oxygen and kerosene to power a rocket. His first major test was in 1926: The rocket lifted off and went up a total of 42 feet. Think of going 42 feet in the air in 1926, and then a mere 43 years later, we’re landing on the Moon. This demonstrates that once you make a breakthrough, you can have progress rapidly.
This January is also the 100th anniversary of an editorial from that so-called great scientific publication, The New York Times, published on January 13, 1920, ridiculing Goddard because Goddard had proposed to build a rocket that could reach the Moon and The New York Times, in its infinite wisdom, said that Goddard obviously did not know what the average high school student of physics knew, that for every action to get a reaction, you needed something to push on. They ridiculed Goddard because, obviously, you could not get the reaction in a vacuum like space. They only made a correction on July 17, 1969, the day after the Apollo 11 launch. So, while they may not have been right the first time, they do eventually correct the error of their ways.
Two Major Approaches
I want to now go through the two major ways that we are reaching fusion, controlled thermonuclear fusion, in the United States and in the world today. The first one I want to touch on is what is going on at the National Ignition Facility, a part of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, out in the Bay Area near San Francisco. Figure 1 shows the target chamber. The outside is about three football fields in length, where you have a bank of lasers, 192 lasers, that are amplified hundreds of thousands, eventually millions of times; it starts out with the infrared wavelength and it will go all the way out to the ultraviolet. When they hit the chamber, you have the 192 laser beams converging on a small target.
This capsule is called the hohlraum (cavity, referring to its interior) where the lasers hit, and they hit the sides of the hohlraum, and produce x-rays that impinge on a small target about the size of an aspirin tablet at the center of the hohlraum, and the laser energy put into the target is over a million joules. A joule is equal to one watt of power lasting for one second. Let me give you an example. A superbolt of lightning produces about one million joules of energy.
So, you have a target, the size of an aspirin tablet, with two different isotopes of hydrogen: deuterium (one proton and one neutron), and tritium (one proton and two neutrons) brought up to high temperatures—close to 150 million degrees Centigrade, which is about ten times the temperature of the core of the Sun. You need sufficient density of the isotopes, and you need sufficient confinement time. Given those parameters, you can achieve fusion, and we have achieved fusion using this method. This machine at the National Ignition Facility, which is about ten years old, has been in operation for the last few years; it took about ten years to build.
What we have not achieved yet is to get more energy out of the reaction than it took to trigger the reaction; so it hasn’t reached breakeven, or it hasn’t ignited the fuel so that the reaction becomes self-sustaining.
The other method of producing controlled thermonuclear fusion on Earth is to generate a plasma and control the plasma with magnetic fields. Plasma is the fourth state of matter. You have solid, liquid, gas, and then plasma, where the particles of a gas are moving so fast that the nucleus and the electrons orbiting the nucleus become separated; so you have positive ions and electrons, called a plasma, which is electrically charged and therefore can be controlled by a magnetic field.
The most famous device for doing that is called the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER), which is being constructed now in southern France by a consortium of 35 nations. France, the European Union, the United States, Russia, China, Japan, Korea, and India all share in the cost of the ITER project. They probably need to recruit the North Koreans and the Iranians to help boost this along.
But it’s a combined effort, a worldwide effort, to produce an experimental device that will go beyond breakeven. The goal is that within five years from now, by 2025, to be able to power up this device using deuterium and tritium as the fuel, heat the fuel, and with 50 megawatts of input to achieve 500 megawatts of output, so a gain of ten, for at least ten minutes. That’s the goal of the experiment.
The Magnets
The type of magnets they use are not just your regular magnets, they’re superconducting magnets. In order to reduce the resistance from running a current through the wires, in which you then generate the magnetic field, they cool the wires to close to absolute zero or close to –460 degrees Fahrenheit or –270 degrees Centigrade, colder than deep space. If you cool the magnetic coils to that temperature, you can have an increased strength of your magnetic field, you can contain your plasma, you can heat the plasma and achieve fusion. This is being worked on: There are machines at Princeton, at General Atomics in San Diego, and in Europe there is the Joint European Torus (JET). The Chinese are building a new machine, so are the South Koreans. This has been worked on all over the world for the last 60 years.
Recently, at the National Ignition Facility, one of the physicists there, John Moody, suggested to his colleagues that to accelerate the ignition using lasers, why don’t we combine the idea of magnetic confinement of the target, with the use of lasers to heat and initiate the reaction.
It’s called “magnetized inertial confinement fusion.” If you have a coil around the hohlraum, you magnetize it by running current through it, and then you hit the hohlraum with lasers, and initiate the fusion reactions, heat the fuel elements in the tablet. With the magnetic field around this hohlraum, you will be able to contain the alpha particles (helium nuclei) that are generated by the fusion reaction.
And again, just to review, if you have deuterium and tritium—deuterium with two nucleons (protons and neutrons) and tritium with three—if you were to use basic arithmetic you would expect to get five nucleons. But, in nuclear physics, 2 plus 3 does not equal 5. It equals a smaller amount, maybe 4.95. So what happens to that missing mass? Well, it was through the theoretical work of Einstein, and others who followed him, that the conversion between mass and energy was recognized as energy = mass times a constant, namely the speed of light squared, or e = mc2, which gives you a huge amount of energy for a small amount of mass conversion. We have seen that fusion involves a mass-to-energy conversion. So, if you can initiate that, containing it with magnetic fields increases the chance of reaching ignition. At Lawrence Livermore they are scheduling a series of experiments this coming summer to verify that.
So, if you think of all the work that’s gone on, even without major crash programs to fund it, we have gone up toward the summit. We have achieved fusion, but we haven’t achieved breakeven in any of these experiments—yet.
However, think back to powered flight. We took a major step, but it was a step of about 212 feet. If you think back to Goddard, we had the rocket, but it went up about four stories. You could have said then, “well, that’s not success,” but we built on those breakthroughs to achieve the aeronautics and the space program we have today.
International Collaboration
So think about LaRouche’s Fourth Law. If we were to collaborate like we’re doing with the ITER, and accelerate those programs, not only with the tokomak—the magnetic fusion—but also with laser fusion, then we could achieve breakthroughs. The French have a similar laser facility in France in which they have about half of the energy level of the U.S. National Ignition Facility, and they have achieved fusion, but again they haven’t reached breakeven. So, if we accelerate these programs and combine them with the use of what’s called high-temperature superconductors—there’s a team near MIT, of MIT graduates, near Cambridge, Massachusetts, that has designed a smaller magnetic confinement system using high-temperature superconductors—then we could achieve significant breakthroughs.
The idea is that you can reduce the size of your magnets, using high-temperature superconductors. “High temperature” does not mean room temperature; it means you are going from almost absolute zero to 77 degrees Kelvin (minus 320 Fahrenheit), which is pretty warm when you consider that if you could achieve superconductivity at that temperature, you can have the same effect as we’ve had previously, but only by reaching almost absolute zero. The less resistance in a magnet, the stronger the magnetic field. We’re talking about magnetic fields of five to ten tesla. Tesla, besides being a car, and a rocket company, is among other things, a unit of magnetic field strength.
To think about that kind of magnetic field, let’s look at the unit used for the Earth’s magnetic field, which is the gauss. The Earth’s magnetic field strength is about half a gauss. The magnets you may have on your refrigerator door are about fifty gauss. If you go to the hospital and get an MRI, it uses about 50,000 gauss. Ten thousand gauss is equal to one tesla in magnetic field strength units.
So, with these fusion devices, we are talking about huge magnetic fields. If you can shrink the size of the magnet, instead of having an experimental tokomak the size of a football stadium, you could reduce the device to about the size of a truck, a flatbed truck. That’s what they are attempting to do in Boston. There are about a dozen companies around the country that are implementing this idea of using smaller compact magnetic fusion devices to achieve what is being attempted with the large ITER. The one in Boston is being funded by the Italian oil company, Eni.
So you have funding for these various smaller experimental compact magnetic fusion reactors. There are a couple of them in New Jersey around the Princeton satellite system. Lockheed Martin, the major defense contractor, is working on a system; in California, you have Tri-Alpha Energy; a company in Vancouver, Canada called General Fusion, which is working on a system in which they compress the gas and use magnetic fields to heat the gas. They are experimenting with that to get compact magnetic fusion going. There is a lot of work being done around the country and around the world. The idea is to accelerate it to a crash program, to do what happened with powered flight. What drove us from going just 212 feet in one flight, to crossing the Atlantic, crossing the Pacific, and going around the world? Well, you had something, which came out of World War I. It was actually created before the U.S. got into World War I. It was called the National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics (NACA).
The Partnership
Before NACA, there were constant squabbles over patent rights. The U.S. government stepped in and created this advisory committee to help, not only to work out these patent disputes, but to promote the science of aeronautical engineering, aeronautical science, such as building wind tunnels. That was the beginning of what eventually became NASA. There was a role for the government in not only coordinating the breakthroughs, but you also had the flight contracts initially awarded by the U.S. Postal Service. Before there were passenger flights, the postal service started using airplanes to speed up mail distribution across the country. So, that was the government coordinating with private companies to promote development of a brand-new technology.
We can use similar methods: If you look at the Apollo project, the government didn’t build rockets, but coordinated the construction of the various components that eventually got us to the Moon. That’s the model that we could be using. LaRouche, in his Four Laws, shows how we can finance that type of breakthrough. You have to have the leadership to actually push for a real science driver. The dividends from actually funding these crash programs are quite impressive. Look at the spinoffs, the NASA projects, and the civilian nuclear power program, which was a spinoff of the Manhattan Project. We have that positive experience in our history.
President Donald Trump went back further than just a mere hundred years ago. He just gave a speech in Davos, and initially we weren’t even sure if he was going to go there, because the whole theme of Davos—from Greta Thunberg to Prince Charles and Mark Carney—is the idea that we have to reduce our carbon footprint. We have to stop dirtying up the air and water, that mankind is just a pollutant, which has to be controlled. What’s behind all that talk is population reduction.
LaRouche went back to the same period as Trump in his famous book, The Science of Christian Economy. It was written about ten years after the first book I showed you, There Are No Limits to Growth. The Science of Christian Economy was part of his prison writings. LaRouche was in prison from 1989 to January 1994, and he kept himself busy, by writing one book after another. You see what he chose for the cover of his book was the Duomo, the cathedral, in Florence, Italy.
President Trump Echoes LaRouche
Just a week ago, President Trump went to Davos in the middle of this environmental suicide pact; he introduced the thought that a few hundred miles from the Davos Congress Centre in Switzerland, you have examples of what mankind has done, by looking up, instead of digging in the mud, by looking up to the stars. Trump touched on the cathedral in Florence; he said that the cathedral’s dome was not built in a day; the construction of this dome began in 1296, and it wasn’t completed until 140 years later. In between you had the Black Plague, wiping out whole villages in Europe. Add to that, that the people who initiated this project didn’t have any idea how they would actually build the dome.
They began construction nonetheless, and initially built an octagon base that went up to a certain height. But it was Filippo Brunelleschi who figured out how the dome could be constructed without using all the timber in the entire region around Florence as a supporting structure. He used the catenary principle to build this dome, and it was completed. Imagine the President of the United States using this image, and saying that instead of listening to the doomsayers or saying that we have reached the limits to growth and we have to cut back, left and right, that mankind is not governed by the doomsayers, but by the visionaries. While the people who began this project did not have an idea of how to actually complete it, just like today, we don’t have the exact method of how we’re going to achieve breakeven fusion, but we have a goal and we know what it’s going to take to get there.
This project, over 140 years, to build the largest dome in Europe, was the center of what Nicolas of Cusa organized as the Council of Florence, which was really the beginning of the Renaissance, the breakpoint from the Middle Ages into the modern era. If you look at the very top of the dome, the sphere at the very top of the cathedral was designed and constructed by Leonardo da Vinci and his collaborators. We can see that the whole of the European Renaissance gave us the science that allowed for a much greater capacity to feed and clothe a larger population, which led to the breakthroughs of Kepler and Leibniz, Riemann, and eventually Einstein and Planck.
The Renaissance as a Paradigm of Creativity
This European Renaissance is what we should use as our model, instead of the flagellants and the doomsayers that we have with the global warming fraud, which seems to still dominate the world of science. Speaking of the world of science, you may have heard that the minute-hand of the Doomsday Clock has been moved up closer to midnight. This was done recently by the Union of Concerned Scientists, which is now headed up by that “great scientist” Jerry Brown, better known as “Governor Moonbeam.” You have a pessimism that has taken over the scientific community. What’s taught in most colleges now, most universities, as “science” is rubbish; they no longer have civil engineering programs, you have “environmental science,” and the whole focus is how to reduce our carbon impact, our carbon footprints. Very little funding, just a small amount, is going towards breakthrough technology for the future.
So, for the President to use this Renaissance example, which LaRouche had used repeatedly over the last 30 to 40 years, shows you that our ability to get the Presidency—and nations like China and Russia and the real thinkers in Europe, Africa, and South America—to collaborate on these great projects, shows tremendous potential. He’s showing the way; he might not know how to complete the project, but he’s at least pointing you in the right direction. That gives us an idea that we too have a tradition, a Renaissance tradition. We merely have to look back just at the last hundred years, look back at the history of powered flight.
If you think about it today, every day almost 2 million people board an aircraft just in the United States. If you think back to the turn of the 19th into the 20th century, how many people thought we would achieve controlled, powered manned flight? If you think of the steps we took from powered flight to landing and walking on the Moon and returning safely, it was only a mere 66 years. And, think of how long it took to build the cathedral dome: 140 years. I’m sure that if we use the examples of the past, we can get to controlled thermonuclear fusion in the coming ten years, and we can actually beat the record of the building of the dome by a great number of years.
136 Comments on "Controlled Thermonuclear Fusion: The Time is Now"
makati1 on Fri, 7th Feb 2020 10:20 pm
Fusion power is a science fiction fairy tale. The practical use is never less than 20 years in the future.
“In 1920, Arthur Eddington suggested hydrogen-helium fusion could be the primary source of stellar energy” WIKI
100 years later and we are still decades from any practical use. BY then it will not be possible because of the decline of everything to make it possible/[practical/profitable. A long ad for a never to be product.
asg70 on Fri, 7th Feb 2020 10:36 pm
Lyndon LaRouche on peakoil.com? This is an all-time low.
jedrider on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:07 am
Goofy article with some great pics. Yep, mankind’s last chance to reach to the stars. However, it is looking like a face plant to me.
peakyeast on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 3:29 am
When you compare this monster construction to solar power and LTO batteries then it becomes appararent that its idiotic.
1. It is extremely complex and will be expensive to run in terms of maintenance, repairs and crew.
2. It will become a single point of failure of society which means the highest value target in a nation.
3. It still is 30 years into the future.
Meanwhile we have battery tech. that is close to to viable for large scale storage and maintenance free, solarcells with high efficiency both systems extremely simple and easy to produce.
John on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 3:44 am
I bet on Aqua-Cola the end of century.
joe on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 3:51 am
The hard bit is doing it once. Using a Soviet Russian design to save the earth and preserve capitalism will drop with Irony. I’m an optimist, I know I wont live forever nor do I want to. So imho it’s worth a go. If it works we have a good reason to shut down all nuclear facilities everywhere eventually running down global stocks of nuclear weapons fuel.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 4:11 am
“Ice Energy Will Launch Residential Ice Storage in First Quarter 2017”
https://tinyurl.com/wvq3v7c green tech media
“The Ice Cub his team came up with is sized like a 2.5-ton AC unit, the kind that serves small to medium-sized households. This AC has a special power, though: in between air conditioning cycles or when it’s not in use, it freezes water in an insulated tank. It can fill the tank with ice in four hours. Then, on command, the system can switch from conventional AC to using the ice to cool the house for at least three hours, during which time no energy is needed to chill the air. That’s a big deal for anyone who pays time-of-use rates or residential demand charges: The Ice Cub essentially eliminates the electricity demand for cooling, which is the largest single household use for electricity, during three hours of peak demand. Customers with rooftop solar gain additional value, as they can put excess solar during peak production hours into making ice, which then cuts demand when it’s later used for cooling. In markets where compensation for excess solar generation is dropping, this offers an efficient way to consume more of what the panels produce.”
REAL Green on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 4:21 am
“World Greenhouse Gas Emissions: 2016 Interactive Chart”
https://tinyurl.com/qrbotvq world resource institute
https://tinyurl.com/rj4sxdj static chart
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 4:32 am
Smelling a rat!
The sewage system as the best imaginable cold side of a heat pump home heating system:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/sewage-as-the-heat-pump-cold-side-in-brussels/
Brussels wants to use it in grand style in a district heating system, the Netherlands has it already working in a swimming pool.
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 6:31 am
285 Watt Solar panel price in the Netherlands now below 100 euro:
http://www.solarwindbioshop.com/EnerShop-ZONNEPANELEN.htm
#TooCheapTooMeter
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 7:04 am
#TooCheapTooMeter
is labor, batteries, wire, grid tie and or battery/charger/inverter all toocheaptometer? lamfao
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 7:48 am
I knew I could trigger empire dave.
Point is half a year ago they were at 130 euro. I bought mine 4 years ago for 250 euro per panel. With 100% feed-in tariff still in place here, I will have paid off my all-in 3000,- panels by 2024. After that, 20 years “free electricity”, till death do us part (excl. a 400 euro converter that likely will need to be replaced). I am seriously considering buying 10 extra panels of 92 euro to dump some cash while that still has some value and install them at sub-optimal solar conditions against my garden fence. “Suboptimal” means at vertical position, which is good for the yield in late Autumn, Winter and early Spring, when you need electricity the most.
JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:06 am
Trump 2020! Free Meng Wanzhou!
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:13 am
“free electricity”
It’s not free, cloggo, but if it makes you feel better fantasize about it. Dutch have some of the highest taxes in the world so you are paying somewhere but you are too naive to realize that. BTW, your free could end anytime you just have this mistaken feeling you are in energy heaven. Besides grid tied panels don’t impress me and are very boring. Being off grid is cool.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:15 am
OH dear, the lunatic is up cheerleading stupidity. What a low life
JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:06 am
Trump 2020! Free Meng Wanzhou!
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:27 am
“It’s not free, cloggo, but if it makes you feel better fantasize about it. Dutch have some of the highest taxes in the world so you are paying somewhere but you are too naive to realize that.”
In the Netherlands taxes are used efficiently. For that we have a world class infrastructure and currently I am making a load of government money by doing nothing.
Regarding feed-in tariffs:
https://www.duurzaamthuistwente.nl/subsidies/nu-een-salderingsregeling-voor-zonnestroom-vanaf-2023-een-terugleververgoeding/
100% back until 2023 and gradual decreasing until 2033.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:36 am
Yo, Cloggo, tell me about your heating bill, cooking bill and water heating. That’s not free electricity. Those
Solar panels are not cooking and heating for you except maybe a little microwave warmup meals.
dave thompson on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:45 am
I looked into solar for my house last year, batteries included. The total cost was about $30,000. Doing the math, for what I spend on grid tied vs the solar system, It would take at least 25 years just to break even. Assuming that I could maintain the system myself, also figuring that there is bound to be some breakdown of equipment (hail damage, battery replacement, inverter breakdown etc.) I could do better in the stock market with the money.
jawagord on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 8:48 am
Unlimited power is not free unlimited power. We already have unlimited power from nuclear fission, it’s not free, it’s not cheap. Fusion power will be magnitudes more expensive than fission, still a next century dream.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:09 am
None of this pigshit matters. We need to start killing the international Jews now!.
Starting with the hollywood jews like the child abuser Weinstein!
Cooking the underlifes will reduce our carbon footprint! 🙂
Makati1 on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:12 am
Yes I agree the kikes need to go! luckily here in the Phillipines the Jew damage has been limited.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:16 am
I was at Fort Bragg yesterday and all my colleagues agreed! ‘The American dream’ is the kikes going home with a jew under one arm and a queer under the other !!!
YoshiFinkelsteinthecunt on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:22 am
How dare you goyims say this!, I have connections. I will wave my rainbow flag for freedom!
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:31 am
LOL, this is obviously the lunatic JuanP doing his traditional Davy ID theft then a stupid sock. I wish the mods would ban the low IQ asswipe
YoshiFinkelsteinthecunt said How dare you goyims say this!, I have connections…
Davy said I was at Fort Bragg yesterday and all my colleague…
JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:33 am
“Yes I agree the kikes need to go! luckily here in the Phillipines the Jew damage has been limited.”
The damage is being done by stupid old white guys like you, Mak. You should stay in your own country and quit milking a third world one.
makati1 on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:34 am
Look in the mirror queer! Juan, you are stealing Americans blind. Maybe you should go back to your third world South America
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 9:40 am
“I looked into solar for my house last year, batteries included. The total cost was about $30,000. Doing the math, for what I spend on grid tied vs the solar system, It would take at least 25 years just to break even. Assuming that I could maintain the system myself, also figuring that there is bound to be some breakdown of equipment (hail damage, battery replacement, inverter breakdown etc.) I could do better in the stock market with the money.”
True, Dave, but the stock market is a Casino with Ponzi end to it so you may lose all your money. If you have an off-grid solar system you have something when the grid goes unstable or down. Lets say it doesn’t you can still pay it down by using it. I am running a few things today. It is a nice sunny day here. Yes, things break and wear out. I lost 6 panels to lightning last year. Insurance covered most of it but not all. The power output is not great but when I need it I have lights, cold food, and I can pump water with it. My wood boiler can be run by my solar system. I think anyone who wants to be prepped should have some kind of solar system IMO.
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:08 am
“I looked into solar for my house last year, batteries included. The total cost was about $30,000. Doing the math, for what I spend on grid tied vs the solar system, It would take at least 25 years just to break even. Assuming that I could maintain the system myself, also figuring that there is bound to be some breakdown of equipment (hail damage, battery replacement, inverter breakdown etc.) I could do better in the stock market with the money.”
30,000 ???
Netherlands. My 6 panels installed 4 years ago, on the roof, all included, 3000,-
No batteries, just feed-in, 100% back for every kWh I pump in the grid.
Yield: 1600 kWh/year
My electricity consumption: 1600 kWh/year
(because I’m a rigorous energy saving fanatic. In the EU we have an obligatory energy label system for every device. With me the highest efficiency A+++ devices only)
Breakdown cost:
6 Panels: 1500,-
inverter: 500,-
Installation: 1000,-
Today you get it cheaper. I can install 10 panels (cost 980,- euro) myself by screwing them to the garden fence. Only need to hire somebody who does the wiring between the panels and the grid. Probably 1000,- incl. inverter.
No idea why you would have to spend $30,000
Let me guess… because you want to install so many batteries that you can achieve seasonal storage or what?lol
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:14 am
Yo, Cloggo, tell me about your heating bill, cooking bill and water heating. That’s not free electricity. Those
Solar panels are not cooking and heating for you except maybe a little microwave warmup meals.
I never cook, raw food only.
Cold showers.
Space heating: I have those, vest and trousers that would keep me perfectly warm in an unheated home, in case the shtf for 1 euro per month:
https://www.comfort-producten.nl/nl/mobile-warming-elektrisch-verwarmd-ondershirt.html
Without heating my home never dives below 10C, even if it freezes, which it never does anymore. This “Winter” not a single snowflake. Currently 15C in home are the norm. Have a very low fuel bill already. With motorbike e-clothing these extra 5C are extremely easy to achieve, in case of war or a global pandemic.
Note, I don’t wear these YET, gotta spend my money on something.lol
dave thompson on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:15 am
I agree Davey there are benefits to solar. In My case however I just did not see the long term gain. The stock market is not the be all and end all either. I have a fatalistic view of what is happening to our world and just figure that even with solar and stores of food your chances of survival beyond a few weeks or months in a SHTF scenario are slim to none anyway. People do crazy things when they are hungry and I am of the sort that sees people killing each other for the last scraps very quickly. Most would label me a doomer, however I look at it all in a realistic way leading my view to be that if and when industrial civilization collapses there will be no one alive for long. Prepped or not.
dave thompson on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:27 am
Yes cloggie I looked into a full system with a battery backup, professional wiring and roof installation. It came to just under 30 grand. And yes I also looked into panels alone, grid tied still all said and done with pro install was about 11 grand. The rules in the US do not allow for self installation. The electric company is very picky about back feeding to the grid.
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:31 am
This is an all-time low.
LOL
It is awfully low– but the Fat Boy is Pres, and it is late stage capitalism.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 10:35 am
Coronavirus: Russian media hint at US conspiracy
” presents an expert who says that the Chinese coronavirus strain has been artificially created, and that US intelligence agencies or American pharmaceutical companies are behind it.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51413870
So much for Eurasia eh clogg?
I told you once and Ill tell you again. You can’t beat us.
So its either “Cope or Rope”.
Anonymouse on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:08 am
*This is an edited transcript of a class given by Joel Dejean, an electrical engineer who worked for years in the defense industry, on January 25, 2020, to a meeting in Houston, Texas with LaRouche PAC and Schiller Institute members, and members of the public*
IoW, the above was penned by an electrician. Not a scientist by any stretch, but a fundamentalist-zionist with ties to the uS war-machine in some capacity. People like him exist by the millions in the uS empire. This amerikan has never worked on fusion research in any capacity. He probably wired missiles, bombs, or tanks or something similar his entire life.
While it was immediately clear the entire farticle was a complete waste of electrons, I got as far as this before stopped reading:
“We have had thermonuclear fusion on Earth for about 68 years, in the form of a thermonuclear (fusion) bomb.”
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:11 am
Hint:
This is a complex double stranded positive RNA virus, close to SARS, which we don’t have a vaccine for, even though it arose in 2003.
The odds of it being “artificially created” are almost 0.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:27 am
“Yield: 1600 kWh/year”
seems high to me cloggo??
My system $20,800.
has 12 x 300 watt panels on pole mounts/concrete =$6,200 48volt battery system 8 x 6volt gel Trojans = $5400, inverter/charger/electrical/transfer switches = $4000 labor = $5200
“I never cook, raw food only. Cold showers. Space heating: I have those, vest and trousers that would keep me perfectly warm in an unheated home, in case the shtf for 1 euro per month:”
So you are telling normal people this is how they need to live to be all renewable? LOL. Good luck selling that on the women and children. You are full of shit. Realistically heat, water heat, and cooking is significant and solar will not dent that much.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:31 am
‘I have a fatalistic view of what is happening to our world and just figure that even with solar and stores of food your chances of survival beyond a few weeks or months in a SHTF scenario are slim to none anyway.”
Green prepping is a journey of enjoyment but I agree in worst case scenario there is little hope beyond a few months for many. There will likely be safe spots for whatever reason but no guarantees. I tend to think of this as a process so it will unfold and it will unfold in locations. Sure, MAD NUK war means everyone is screwed but that may not be the default.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:32 am
“IoW, the above was penned by an electrician. Not a scientist by any stretch, but a fundamentalist-zionist with ties to the uS war-machine in some capacity. People like him exist by the millions in the uS empire. This amerikan has never worked on fusion research in any capacity. He probably wired missiles, bombs, or tanks or something similar his entire life.”
You are such a boring dumbfuck regurgitating the same shit every comment. Get a life idiot
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:41 am
Yo, Idaho, maybe or maybe not:
“Canadian Scientist At Center Of Chinese Bio-Espionage Probe Found Dead In Africa?”
https://tinyurl.com/wd96p9g zero hedge
“Update (1135ET): It seems that Mr. Plummer made a habit of getting the biological material he was working on “stolen,” as we found a report from 2009 in the Winnepeg Free Press that details the theft of 22 vials of biological material was “confirmed by scientific director Dr. Frank Plummer.” Plummer, allegedly, alerted authorities to the missing material on the same day a former vaccine researcher was arrested by FBI special agents after U.S. Customs discovered the vials stuffed in a glove in the trunk of his car at the Manitoba-North Dakota border crossing. Some of the vials included genes from the deadly Ebola virus, but local scientists say the material is not infectious. But more than a week after the theft came to light, police said no one from the lab has reported the incident. Plummer has said the researcher signed a form declaring he did not steal anything from the lab and understood he was not allowed to. The national lab does not conduct searches of staff when they exit the lab and does not routinely take inventory of the thousands of vials containing non-infectious biological substances. However, court documents allege the former researcher stole the vials on his last day of work at the virology lab in January because “he did not want to start his research over from the beginning when he entered into his next fellowship” with the National Institutes of Health at the Biodefense Research Laboratory in Maryland. All very curious. As GreatGameIndia.com detailed earlier, in a very strange turn of events, renowned scientist Frank Plummer who received Saudi SARS Coronavirus sample and was working on Coronavirus (HIV) vaccine in the Winnipeg based Canadian lab from where the virus was smuggled by Chinese Biowarfare agents and weaponized as revealed in GreatGameIndia investigation, has died in mysterious conditions.”
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:47 am
“Yield: 1600 kWh/year”
seems high to me Cloggmeister, sir??
6 panels,300 peak watt each, son.
There is a formula with which you can calculate yearly yield from peak watt number. The factor is location-dependent. For notorious grey Holland it is 0.85 (verify with Google). In the Sahara it could be double that.
0.85 * 300 = 255 kWh.
Times 6 panels = 1530 kWh
However the last 4 years have been record years for solar insulation, hence the ca. 1600 kWh.
“So you are telling normal people this is how they need to live to be all renewable?”
I wasn’t recommending that. Just informing you how you can survive. Pearls for swines as per usual. I have a normally heated home.
I don’t cook food, not for energy saving, but for health reasons. Cooking is notoriously bad for food, it degrades it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism
https://www.amazon.com/Your-Natural-Diet-Alive-Foods/dp/0971752605/ref=sr_1_2
I eat salads, fruit, nuts, lots of cold smoked salmon, raw beets, carrots, avocados, sardines, olives, goat cheese. Can recommend it to anyone.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 12:01 pm
“There is a formula with which you can calculate yearly yield from peak watt number.
0.85 * 300 = 255 kWh. Times 6 panels = 1530 kWh”
IOW, you don’t keep track you are just using a formula?
“I eat salads, fruit, nuts, lots of cold smoked salmon, raw beets, carrots, avocados, sardines, olives, goat cheese. Can recommend it to anyone.”
Damn, cloggo, that is what I eat. LOL. Why am I so much smarter than you then. double lol! I do like my wife’s cooking but breakfast and lunch I do cold and raw. I also do whole day fast twice a week.
Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:37 pm
If you click your heels and believe hard enough, you can magically go to Kansas is seconds. Good luck with that as a reliable travel mode.
Meanwhile in the real world, arm waving isn’t making Fusion a practical reality as a major commercial energy source, any more than it has for the past several decades. As usual, it MIGHT be ready in several decades.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 3:46 pm
For the record, I dont actually have a REAL solar panel system at the cabin everyone. It is more of a hypothetical solar-panel system. I truth, I completely lack the means to afford such a thing, and I wouldn’t know how to begin to install one if I did, but, it makes me sound purdy smarti and leanrned when I talk about stuff like that. Tt gives me REAL GREEN credibility that I would otherwise not have.
So I win again cloggo. Even my pretend solar system is better than your pretend solar system by a missouri mile.
Richard Guunette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 3:54 pm
There you go juanPee you got spooked from your pool of filth and jumped. I love seeing you seethe with anger. Expect this nonstop until your scurge has been eradicated.
Davy on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 4:51 pm
Sorry for stealing your ID yet again Richard in the mindless comment I made above. My phone keeps autofilling in names that are not mine, but, I never stop to check a lot of times and just keep mashing post without bothering to check and see if the name is actually mine this time around. It wasn’t.
So sorry about that. I know you never bother with such a stupid comment like one above. So, clear to air, it was all me.
Missouri Davy
makati1 on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:23 pm
First post, mine. All others, Delusional Davy.
Anonymouse on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:44 pm
Not true Mak, that was all your best friend juanPee. He is triggered today because Davy would not let him play. I guess you approve of it too. Please grow up
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:54 pm
my escape bunker is complete. I have two Finnish sex slave dwarves and enough Edam to last a year!
Here in Holland we do things much much much much better than your smelly country ‘ america’ over there.
Even our dwarves are better here than smelly stinky old America!
LatestageCommunist on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:57 pm
Caronavirus is a conspiracy by radical Dutch extremists to attack China because of the trade deficit in rubber dog shit and Hawaii phones!
Its all a FLEMISH conspiracy!
Joseph Goebbels III on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 6:02 pm
Nine Nine Nine! ze Jews are to blame!
ITS ALL A JEWISH CONSPIRACY!
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