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Tracking global energy transition in turbulent times: solar stutters, coal keeps growing
As the extent of the impact of the coronavirus outbreak on economic activity and power demand emerges, newbuild activity in global power faces old and new sets of challenges.
The short-term focus has been shifting due to coronavirus-related disruption of manufacturing activity and logistics, but delays will most likely be short-lived.
The global power capacity mix has already been shifting toward renewables. S&P Global Platts Analytics estimates that solar photovoltaic, wind and hydro made up almost 67% of total power capacity additions over the past year. The question is whether renewables investments will accelerate, but so far we do not see major signs that this could happen soon.
Solar PV now accounts for about a third of the total incremental power capacity additions annually, but as presented in our latest Global Solar PV Outlook, 2019 marked an inflection point for the technology.
Solar additions were 4% lower year on year in 2019 and near-term challenges emerged for solar PV development, as policy support is being withdrawn across key markets and it is unclear at this time if stimulus packages that are being proposed across the globe could boost solar.
China’s PV capacity growth declined by over a third, with lingering concerns around delays of subsidy payments for plants already commissioned in prior years, which are straining developers’ finances. Platts Analytics expects a stabilization in the Chinese market in the second half of the year, under the assumption that the coronavirus is successfully contained
Although logistics concerns are dampening short-term additions, down the road we see an acceleration of solar installations in a number of markets in Europe, the Middle East and emerging Asia, but as projects are becoming more exposed to wholesale markets, the current low and volatile fuel pricing environment poses further bearish risks for developers.
Commissioning of wind projects has been increasing more significantly due to some pockets of policy support that will be ending soon. Wind additions were up by 22% year on year across the globe during 2019, or around 62 GW. Over 40% of this capacity was added in China (25.7 GW, an increase of about 25% year on year). The current supporting mechanism with feed-in tariffs (FiT) for onshore wind will be phased out by 2021, so an incentive remains in place to bring projects online by then.
The US is the other region where wind capacity additions remain robust, with policy support through the Production Tax Credit further extended through 2020. According to EIA data, about 10 GW came online in 2019, compared to about 8.6 GW added in 2018. S&P Global Platts Analytics expects up to 15 GW to come online in 2020, the highest annual increment in history.
Europe’s wind capacity growth has been above expectations in 2019, with almost 15 GW installed, of which over 3.6 GW offshore plants. A lack of suitable space and growing local opposition have now become a major bottleneck to new onshore projects, especially in Germany.
Growth for onshore wind has been driven by Spain and Nordic markets, representing over 20% of the total, with Sweden in particular among the largest (+1.6 GW). But Europe’s wind development is now shifting offshore, with 80 GW of offshore capacity targeted by 2030, which compares to 22 GW currently installed.
The pipeline of offshore projects has also become large in the US. In spite of a levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) for US offshore wind projects estimated to be in the mid $80s/MWh (moving down to the mid $60/MWh assuming Investment Tax Credit), offshore wind is being developed to meet state-driven mandates, with some 27 GW of combined offshore capacity targeted by 2030 across the Northeast. Energy mix diversification and emissions reductions are the main drivers of these procurements, while proximity to load centers is an additional attraction.
Coal fleet continues to grow
As investments in renewables dominate, it’s remarkable that the coal fleet continues to expand globally. About 48 GW of coal capacity was commissioned in 2019, similar to the level seen in the prior year. China accounts for over 60% of these additions, followed by India with about 7.8 GW of coal newbuild (about 16% of the total).
The amount of coal capacity commissioned remains well above the approximately 20 GW of capacity retired across Europe and US. Retirements are set to increase across these major markets, as loads contract and gas prices move lower, while Germany and a number of countries in Europe are moving ahead with plans to exit from coal.
However, it’s worth noting that Chinese authorities are looking at building more coal capacity as a way to stimulate the economy, in the aftermath of the coronavirus outbreak.
China’s National Energy Administration has been guiding the construction and commissioning of coal-fired units across the country, based on an assessment of overcapacity, fuel availability, environmental and other resource constraints for each province. The latest guidance – issued this February – allows more provinces to bring coal units online by 2023 versus the policy issued a year ago.
As China’s coal capacity grows, its role in the mix is changing, as coal is increasingly complementing intermittent renewables and higher air-conditioning usage during the summer peak.
Stronger power demand growth is the driver of the large number of coal projects in Southeast Asia. Vietnam stands out for its pipeline of projects outside of China and India. Almost 1.4 GW was commissioned during 2019, while over 40 GW of capacity is at different stages of development. Availability of capital from financing institutions, notably from China, has also been a driving force behind these projects.
Indonesia has about 14 GW of coal in construction and over 20 GW in the planning stage, although the country’s power development plans have often seen delays. Indonesia’s government announced they will replace old thermal with renewables, for a total of 13.4 GW of capacity. With all this capacity up for retirement, new thermal capacity will have to be built to meet rapid growth in electricity demand.
New opportunities emerging for gas
Gas-fired capacity added to the grid across the globe slowed in 2019, in spite of falling gas prices. Fewer units came online in the US (11 GW), or about a third of the global gas capacity coming online in 2019. However, the US maintains a very large pipeline of gas-fired projects, as do gas-rich countries in Middle East and North Africa.
The recent oil price crash could have an impact on the further development of gas projects in these gas-rich areas, but new opportunities for gas may now emerge in importing countries, given the low current price environment.
A number of LNG-to-power projects are underway in Asia, with 9 GW in construction and about 52 GW in planning, on top of the 127 GW of LNG-fired power capacity currently operational in the region. We see a shift away from the three traditional large LNG importers – Japan, South Korea and Taiwan – as newer LNG importing countries, including Bangladesh, China and other South East Asian countries are building LNG to power capacities.
The appetite to invest in large-scale, gas-fired units has been fairly limited in other regions, especially in Europe, but it’s worth noting the emergence of about 5.7 GW of gas projects in Italy, which have secured payments in the recently-introduced capacity market.
Nuclear additions slow
Nuclear remains a more marginal technology, with plant commissioning slowing in 2019. China continues to lead in nuclear newbuild, but only about 4 GW entered commercial operations during 2019, which is considerably below the almost 9 GW of capacity commissioned during 2018. In addition to China, South Korea, Russia, and India all have significant construction activity.
The combination of sustained lower natural gas prices, renewables penetration, and flat electricity demand growth, has been challenging nuclear generation in more mature wholesale power markets, especially in the US.
Retirements equivalent to 1.5 GW of capacity took place in 2019 – the 0.7 GW Pilgrim 1 and the 0.8 GW Three Mile Island #1. Approximately 1.7 GW of capacity is slated to retire during 2020 – the closure of the Duane Arnold #1 (Iowa) and 1.1 GW Indian Point #2 (New York) plants will bring nuclear output down by an average 2.2 GW year on year. Support mechanisms for other struggling nuclear units in the US remain possible after the legality of recent legislative policy measures in Illinois, Connecticut, New York State, and Ohio was upheld by courts.
A more substantial amount of nuclear retirements loom down the road both in the US and Europe, while we estimate that at least 70 GW of operational coal units are ripe for retirement.
The unprecedented hit to the economy from the coronavirus pandemic is leading to significant demand destruction – with our estimates for power demand growth downgraded by about 3% so far this year. While uncertainties remain around the pace of the demand recovery, the world will still need to replace large amounts of ageing thermal capacity in the future.
As China is likely to continue to build more coal as a way to stimulate the economy, gas newbuild in the power sector has become more uncertain in the current market environment. Lower oil and gas prices are making gas or LNG projects in a number of importing countries a more interesting proposition, but the future of a number of gas projects is less clear in regions with associated gas production fields.
The outlook is also uncertain for renewables, especially solar, as it is still too early to say whether stimulus packages that are being proposed across the globe will include clean energy, and could eventually give new impetus to green investments.\
93 Comments on "Tracking global energy transition in turbulent times: solar stutters, coal keeps growing"
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:15 am
DT says gave you the link long time ago.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:20 am
“Yea well the point you miss is that electricity is but a very small part of the energy picture world wide. That is today right now.”
We are not talking about today.
We were discussing the potential of renewable energy as a mean to phase out fossil fuel for 100%.
I gave you the arguments above WHY it will work and HOW.
Now you address these arguments and refute them. You won’t because you can’t.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:26 am
WE? No sorry you got it wrong. I was talking about the here and now the entire time. You can speculate all you want about the magical future in your head. I am talking about what is happening now and have been the whole time. I have been pointing out the here and now.
Anonymouse on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:32 am
Exceptionalturd, neither you or Cloggedanus, or ‘AbraHymie’ as it prefers these days, are ‘self-sufficient’. You both sit on your asses all long, trolling, spamming, and your in case, harrasing and socking everyone still left on this one site on the internet. That is literally, all either of you do. Given both of your busy schedules of saying nothing all day long, every day, hardly leaves either of you time for anything like ‘self-sufficiency’ does it? Difference is, I will readily admit I am not ‘self-sufficient either. That is just how it is.
Just because you have spun a complex fantasy life for yourself as a jet-setting doomsteading hack-of-all trades, I mean jackass-of-all trades, sorry, does not make you ‘self-sufficient’ either. It just makes you delusional. Cloggedcolon for his part, does not own or posses one piece of renewable, well, anything himself. It hardly matters if you want split hairs all day long over the definition of what constitutes ‘renewable’ or not. He doesn’t own anything of the sort, just like you don’t either, delusional turd.
Glad to set you straight on how things really are, as always.
Dumbass.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:38 am
Anon, Thanks again for the fine interjection. I am once again roflmao. I have nothing else to do so I have been engaging in one of the most inane online conversations I have ever encountered. Signed DT. I don’t get why I have been called Jaunp?
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:40 am
“I was talking about the here and now the entire time. You can speculate all you want about the magical future in your head. I am talking about what is happening now and have been the whole time. I have been pointing out the here and now.”
DT 4:53
That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation. That is through the use of liquid FF. There is nothing now available nor is there anything in the works that can do what liquid FF does for transportation at scale. The infrastructure at scale is not being transitioned except on a small scale. Such as electric cars that hardly take the place of liquid FF at this point in time. Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.
You were not merely talking about here and now… you were also SUGGESTING that renewables won’t work in the future, because it is too much of a daunting task. I have shown:
– Scotland 100% renewable electricity
– Norway 55% e-vehicles as share new cars
– 33% global electricity renewable
– 75% new capacity renewable globally (Europe 90+%)
– EU has 100% renewable energy policy (nobody else has)
– Fraunhofer Institute: you 2 x electricity capacity + measures like heat pumps etc to make 100% renewable energy base work
Missing link is storage. If that has been solved nothing will stand in the way for the total victory of renewable energy.
Try to attack THAT vision.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:47 am
I never suggested any such thing. My statement was pertaining to the here and now. Read it back slowly and you can the understand better. Was there some part of “at this point in time” you did not get?
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:54 am
“I never suggested any such thing. My statement was pertaining to the here and now. Read it back slowly and you can the understand better. Was there some part of “at this point in time” you did not get?”
What is it that you don’t get about you yourself saying that renewable energy transition is an oxymoron?
Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.
A transition is not about “here and now”, it is about the future. You SUGGEST it won’t work.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:54 am
One at a time, The article about Scotland clearly states 100% has not been reached yet. That means here and now. Not yet. Nor does it say if all the ff generating stations have been closed.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:00 am
“Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.” Yes that is what I said. What part of mining for all of the needed minerals is clean and green? What part of making steel is clean and green? What part of making concrete is clean and green? The list goes on and on.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:01 am
Exceptionalturd, neither you or Cloggedanus, or ‘AbraHymie’ as it prefers these days, are ‘self-sufficient’.
Annoy, you are not part of this discussion nor is your lame life relevant so shut up. DT is JuanP and you both are lunatic stalkers.
“You both sit on your asses all long, trolling, spamming, and your in case, harrasing and socking everyone still left on this one site on the internet.”
This is the internet stupid so you don’t know what I do. I can do more in a day than you can in 3. It is not hard to exercise ones mind in the mornings, at lunch, and around dinner with strong comments that take reearch. An iPhone during the day allows for short comments. I can multi-task with real comments. All you do is stalk and whine.
“ That is literally, all either of you do. Given both of your busy schedules of saying nothing all day long, every day, hardly leaves either of you time for anything like ‘self-sufficiency’ does it? Difference is, I will readily admit I am not ‘self-sufficient either. That is just how it is.”
I am multiple times more self-sufficient than you or JuanP (DT) are from the basis neither of you has had a legitimate comment on the topic. You both are lunatics.
“Just because you have spun a complex fantasy life for yourself as a jet-setting doomsteading hack-of-all trades, I mean jackass-of-all trades, sorry, does not make you ‘self-sufficient’ either. It just makes you delusional.
This just demonstrates how jealous and envious you are, annoy.
“ Cloggedcolon for his part, does not own or posses one piece of renewable, well, anything himself. It hardly matters if you want split hairs all day long over the definition of what constitutes ‘renewable’ or not. He doesn’t own anything of the sort, just like you don’t either, delusional turd.”
Stupid, he lives in Holland and they have a strong renewable effort. I believe him when he says he has several grid tied pannels on his roof and a efficient home. You likely have nothing because you know, you are anonymouse and afraid to discuss your worthless life. LMFAO at stupid.
“Glad to set you straight on how things really are, as always. Dumbass.”
Like juanPee says: You are projecting.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:03 am
“Norway 55% e-vehicles as share new cars” How many cars do they sell in Norway compared to the entire world? Exactly a drop in the bucket for ev sales here and now. Makes no diff.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:06 am
“33% global electricity renewable” What planet is this on?
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:06 am
Anon, Thanks again for the fine interjection. I am once again roflmao. I have nothing else to do so I have been engaging in one of the most inane online conversations I have ever encountered. Signed DT.
Yea, it makes you feel better when a mouthy says nothing stalker steps in to cover your dumbass, juanPee. The cloggo and I made you eat your sloppiness.
“I don’t get why I have been called Jaunp?”
Pretty obvious, juanPee, I am just surprised with the neutering you got from both cloggo above you didn’t resort to the ID theft BS. We plainly see the sock shit but not yet the ID theft. That is likely coming once you get bored with being caught in your sock act.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:08 am
“75% new capacity renewable globally (Europe 90+%)” So what? globally electricity is only about 20% of total energy use world wide still today.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:11 am
LOL Davy you must really have in for this juanp whomever that may be. Sorry it aint me.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:11 am
“Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.” Yes that is what I said.
OK, you finally admit that you don’t believe that renewable energy can fully replace fossil fuel, as the EU (and my nothingness) claim it can.
What part of mining for all of the needed minerals is clean and green?
You are now moving the goal post. You can have a 100% renewable energy base and dirty mining (or clean mining). Has nothing to do with the possibility of a 100% renewable energy.
What part of making steel is clean and green? What part of making concrete is clean and green? The list goes on and on.
Same argument. 100% renewable energy and green-clean production of concrete and steel are different things. You need to address them separately.
In a world where iron mining goes on and on, you know in advance that once population numbers will finally decline, scrap metal supply eventually will replace steel production from ore. Steel plate making from scrap metal costs 10 times fewer energy than from ore. On top of that, steel making from scrap is already done in electric arc furnaces and they can be run by 100% renewable electricity (nice buffer opportunity as an aside!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc_furnace
Here an example of producing concrete with far smaller ecological footprint:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/renewable-cement-production/
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:12 am
LOL Davy you must really have in for this juanp whomever that may be. Sorry it aint me.
Agree. DT is not JuanP.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:14 am
“EU has 100% renewable energy policy (nobody else has)” Sorry but lots of places have “policy” of this kind. Furthur a policy for the future does nothing for the here and now,well except perpetuate false hope of the future that no one can predict.
Anonymouse on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:14 am
You are not part of any conversation dumbass. In fact, the most animated conversations you have, are often between you are your own sock-puppets. And occasionally, your autistic boyfriend from ‘Holland’. Multi-tasking in this context, means harassing and stalking pretty much everyone here with your socks and ID theft. Like that stupid stunt with the Pink Bunny account that you set up with JuanP’s name. That is multi-tasking, demented davy style. But that is the extent of it.
Like JuanP says: you are delusional.
And a sad pathetic fuck is another phrase he used to describe you. That works too.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:21 am
I do not separate industrial civilization and clean green renewable. In the here and now. They go hand in hand together. In the here and now. That is why I said it originally in that way. Again plainly does not exist now and I see no evidence a transition is happening at scale at this time.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:21 am
“33% global electricity renewable” What planet is this on?
Planet Earth.
You apparently missed this link I posted earlier:
https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2019/Apr/Renewable-Energy-Now-Accounts-for-a-Third-of-Global-Power-Capacity
“Renewable Energy Now Accounts for a Third of Global Power Capacity”
You’re not quick in picking things up, now do you.
“75% new capacity renewable globally (Europe 90+%)” So what? globally electricity is only about 20% of total energy use world wide still today.
Again, you are not picking up arguments handed over to you (pearls/swines): if every year 75% of new installed electricity capacity is sustained, then eventually (think 10-50 years) all global fossil fuel-based electricity capacity will be replaced by renewable. As competent think tanks like the German Fraunhofer Institute have calculated, you need merely to double your electricity output plus additional measures in order to achieve 100% renewable ENERGY (not just electricity). Heat pumps, hydrogen, seasonal storage of heat, isolation measures, efficient household appliances and you’re good.
There is absolutely no reason at all not to assume that by 2050 Europe will be the first to have achieved this transition and the rest of the planet a few decades later.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:26 am
I do not separate industrial civilization and clean green renewable. In the here and now. They go hand in hand together. In the here and now. That is why I said it originally in that way. Again plainly does not exist now and I see no evidence a transition is happening at scale at this time.
You don’t have the liberty to reinvent language.
Energy supply is one thing and mining methods quite another.
We were discussing the potential of renewable energy to fully replace fossil fuel in space heating, transport, electricity, industry.
Clean mining and the use of dirty chemicals thereby is a different subject.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:27 am
In the here and now electricity is still 20% of energy used world wide. Capacity and what is produced how is two different things, today and I will go as far as tomorrow. World wide electricity is mostly produced by burning coal,nat gas, nukes, and about12% “renewables”. That is if the sun is shining and the wind blows wich it does not do every day everywhere.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:34 am
“Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.” Yes that is what I said. That is what I was discussing. Bottom line there is no such thing as clean green renewable energy with out the industrial civilization that comes with it including all of the environmental damage inherent in the system. You must have missed the topic I originally brought up.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:35 am
“Like JuanP says: you are delusional.”
LMFAO, thanks for outing juanPee as DT
“And a sad pathetic fuck is another phrase he used to describe you. That works too.”
I detect a wounded animal, double LOL! I love when both fucks, juanPee and annoy get their clock cleaned.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:37 am
In the here and now electricity is still 20% of energy used world wide. Capacity and what is produced how is two different things, today and I will go as far as tomorrow. World wide electricity is mostly produced by burning coal,nat gas, nukes, and about12% “renewables”. That is if the sun is shining and the wind blows wich it does not do every day everywhere.
Yep and we North-Americans have a can’t do mentality and for all eternity things will remain like they are today.
I believe you as far as North-America is concerned. In Africa things don’t ever change either (unless Eurasians intervene). And since the US will become ever more non-white, I understand very well that lame feeling you have about the evolutionary potential of your society. Ever more anonymouse types around will kill every society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOMsCUeZ6rw
But that’s your society, I am talking about Europe and it’s potential.
Anonymouse on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:39 am
i plead my love and support for goat supremacist supertard
if i love muzzies then i can do as much for supertard
i believe china will be grater and i suppress the fact that china did good amputating all their muzzies
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:39 am
Davy I am DT you can direct your anger at me DT all you want. You really must have it in for this jaunp. Sorry you are so frustrated.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 7:45 am
“But that’s your society, I am talking about Europe and it’s potential.” Can we stay in the present no need to digress to some unforeseeable future. My discussion has been about what is happening now. I have no use for speculation about this very important subject of clean green renewable industrial civilization.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 8:39 am
I have no use for speculation about this very important subject of clean green renewable industrial civilization.
Yes you do:
Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.
Can we stay in the present no need to digress to some unforeseeable future.
OK, here is the present:
33% global renewable electricity.
75% global new electricity capacity each year.
The future can easily be foreseen from the present.
The real reason why you don’t want to “speculate” (extrapolate from the present) is that you don’t want to accept that your beloved fossil fuel age (=American Century) is over.
Antius on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 9:08 am
Cloggie/Abraham, I have been following and commenting on this board for about 7 years now. Your narrative on energy has not changed in all that time. You seem to have learned little from your time here. You perform too little arithmetic and appear to lack engineering knowledge.
Hydrogen has some promise as a short term energy storage mechanism if peak wind power is used to generate it and it is then burned in combined cycle gas turbines. Its overall efficiency will be around 30%. But the relatively low capital costs of the equipment involved means that it can still make sense, especially if you can recover process heat or if you can use it to generate high quality heat in niche industrial applications.
But it is no good for long term energy storage. It is a diffuse gas with a density of 88grams per cubic metre -it barely exists. You can store it at atmospheric pressure in a tank or bag. That is quite a cheap way of doing it, because it avoids the need for pressure vessels or cryogenic equipment. Try to pressurise hydrogen and you immediately need a pressure vessel, which is expensive for such a diffuse gas. The molecules are so small that differential pressure will cause them to seep through most metals. Liquefied hydrogen is unaffordable. You need to cool it to 20K and store it in austenitic stainless steel containers. Boiling losses from heat transfer into the vessel will cost you a lot of content very quickly. Insulating the tank is very challenging, given that air liquids on contact with it.
So there you have it. You need to understand the technology before you can talk intelligently about what options are available.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 9:12 am
“33% global renewable electricity.
75% global new electricity capacity each year.” Your first point is misleading because The sun does not always shine and the wind does not always blow So 33% production cannot be relied on as a constant. Your second point likewise is misleading, All new electricity so far is consumed in the ever expanding capitalistic industrial civilization. That means that there is no new net gains in the so called Clean green renewable industrial civilization only new demand for electricity is satisfied. Meaning more and more electricity is needed along with the current industrial methods of electric production. i.e. coal, nat gas, nukes and the like. I told you the real reason I am not speculating is because I live in the here and now guided by what is really going on today. It is pointless to try and live in the make believe world of the future. Future speculation only brings on anxiety. I never said I am a proponent of “beloved fossil fuels.” I am only pointing out the reality at hand now as we live today in the present.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 9:39 am
excellent comment, Antius:
“Hydrogen has some promise as a short term energy storage mechanism if peak wind power is used to generate it and it is then burned in combined cycle gas turbines. Its overall efficiency will be around 30%. But the relatively low capital costs of the equipment involved means that it can still make sense, especially if you can recover process heat or if you can use it to generate high quality heat in niche industrial applications…But it is no good for long term energy storage. It is a diffuse gas with a density of 88grams per cubic metre -it barely exists. You can store it at atmospheric pressure in a tank or bag. That is quite a cheap way of doing it, because it avoids the need for pressure vessels or cryogenic equipment.”
Sissyfuss on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 10:37 am
Antius, Cloebbels is selling his Natzi vision as a superior model to anything that the non pure white heathens can offer. Has he told you that it was those murderous Poles that caused all the fuss in ’39? You can’t shake his propaganda with an H-bomb much less a virus. His narcissism rivals that of his hero, Takeadump, who is presently leading us over a cliff. You’re triggering his cognitive dissonance with all your irritating facts and strong arguments but I can guarantee you it won’t changed his clogged brain one iota or neurotransmitter. But keep doing what you’re doing, we are interested to see the heights which his rants progress to and whether he becomes Captain Queeg lamenting his missing strawberries.
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 11:36 am
Sociopathology comes back to money every time.
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 11:56 am
“—covid has been a bit of a nightmare for capitalism! ”
Most of our capitalist friends have such a limited knowledge of the world they live in, they are baffled.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:07 pm
Your narrative on energy has not changed in all that time.
You see that as a weak point? I see it as a matured vision.
But it (hydrogen) is no good for long term energy storage.
You would be quite alone with that vision. The hydrogen economy is absolutely not dead, enjoyed even a comeback since its previous peak in ca. 2000:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy
As you can verify the very competent people at the Fraunhofer institute assume power-to-gas as the foundation of the 100% renewable energy economy:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/blueprint-100-renewable-energy-base-for-germany/
Hydrogen has some promise as a short term energy storage mechanism if peak wind power is used to generate it and it is then burned in combined cycle gas turbines. Its overall efficiency will be around 30%.
Where did I suggest that I want to burn hydrogen? The efficiency of a fuel cell is 3 times as high, although prices need to come down for that.
As you can verify in even this thread, I have never said that hydrogen is going to be THE storage solution. Usually I mention “hydrogen or one of its derivatives”, derivatives like methanol, NH3, formic acid or my personal favorite sodium borohydride:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/01/27/nabh4-the-vice-admiral-has-a-message-for-dutch-parliament/
Alternatively I mentioned the possibility of metal powder fuels, I am myself involved in, sidelong.
I admitted in this thread that (seasonal) storage is currently the missing link in the renewable energy cluster, but there are so many roads towards one or more solutions.
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:10 pm
Senate Republicans snuck $90 billion tax cut for millionaires into coronavirus relief bill
https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/senate-republicans-snuck-90-billion-tax-cut-for-millionaires-into-coronavirus-relief-bill/
These criminals are predicative.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:29 pm
Good opportunity to drop by the Dutch hydrogen effort. I wasn’t disappointed:
https://h2-fuel.nl/uncategorized/update-2020/?lang=en
March 24 2020: all the big names in the Netherlands are involved in making the hydrogen economy to work:
https://www.solidhydroregen.com/consortium-nieuw
But by all means my Anglo friends, keep on flogging the dead fossil/nuclear horse and talking down the potential of renewable energy/hydrogen… and put yourself at a distance. My loyalties are with the Netherlands and continental Europe/EU/PBM.
Mastering a form of energy first, means being the new geopolitical master:
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/06/11/20160612_nothing.jpg
Euros and Anglos are going to flip roles and energy will play a significant part in that transition. The third-worldization of the US will play another significant part, regardless of how strong sissy stamps with his feet on the ground and invents naughty virtue-signaling words.
https://www.rt.com/news/387313-us-losing-leadership-eu-mogherini/
Good luck beating the Chinese in South China Sea! ROFL
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:32 pm
They even come up with the, somewhat naively named “final solution of the hydrogen question”:
https://h2-fuel.nl/h2fuel-the-final-solution/?lang=en
LOL
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:49 pm
The latest in hydrogen fuel cell mobility:
“BMW i Hydrogen NEXT Fuel Cell Technology”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyw_VrOIvuI
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 2:29 pm
BMW Says in the video “currently the right conditions are not yet in place to offer BMW customers a fuel cell production model”…. More of the same, future, pie in the sky pontifications about expensive technology and infrastructure that does not exist in the here and now. Excuse me while I go and fill up my Toyota corolla at the gas station that is located on any corner in western civilization.