[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '.').. considering how many votes the D's get from the unions and their influence, it's not at all surprising to me that the D's won't go against the UAW.

[Plantagenet]

asg/ennui/mos.......lets not quarrel over this.

Here's how I see this issue:

This entire tiff originated when you got off the wrong foot by misquoting me above. To paraphrase, I posted something like ...Trump is trying to save the Volt and the other sedans....

And then you quoted me in your next post as saying.....Trump is trying to save the Volt......and you left out the rest of the sentence where I said ....and the other sedans.....

And then you went into this multi-post rant about Trump only trying to save the Volt....but I didn't say that. I said Trump was trying to save the Volt and the other sedans.

Your entire set of posts is predicted on your original misquote....in other words, you didn't understand the sentence you read and so you went off on a tangent based on your lack of understanding of what you just read.

I really suggest you try to improve your reading comprehension, and one good place for your to start would be for you to read the entire sentence on the page in front of you. You aren't going to understand what you are reading if you don't read and understand entire sentences.

Just reading the first few words in a sentence isn't enough...you have to read the entire sentence all the way through or you aren't going to understand what is being discussed.

OK?

Cheers!

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')But I didn't make that suggestion.

[GHung]

I think it's time for the orderlies to confiscate Planty's devices.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'I') think it's time for the orderlies to confiscate Planty's devices.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'Y')OU should read a newspaper.

From three days ago, in the Detroit Free Press:

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'Y')OU should read a newspaper.

From three days ago, in the Detroit Free Press:

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I') was just surprised to hear (re your statement) that the D's weren't criticizing GM, as it seemed to me that I'd seen that politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle had been doing so. So I did a quick Google search to check my memory/understanding and that DFP article was one of the first hits I got -- and seemed unambiguous re the position of the D's.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'I') think it's time for the orderlies to confiscate Planty's devices.

[KaiserJeep]

It is my understanding that the government took an ownership position in GM and got stock in return for it's "bailout" money. Then they sold those shares at a loss, the timing of which was their decision. Technically GM does not owe the government anything except some gratitude.

If we are paying them subsidies to produce pickup trucks and SUVs in defiance of all logic and the recent oil peak, then I would say we should stop doing that.

I would remind everyone that the Chevrolet Volt is NOT a battery EV, it is a plug-in hybrid vehicle, with a battery-only range of 53 miles in the latest version, and 35 miles in the original version. Recharge of the smallish battery requires 12h @ 110v and 2.3h @ 220v. The minimal electric range meant that many owners would never see any compensation in fuel savings for the added cost of the hybrid powertrain, over the average ownership period of the vehicle.

IMHO, China is welcome to it, and can probably best the latest Volt design easily.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')I would remind everyone that the Chevrolet Volt is NOT a battery EV, it is a plug-in hybrid vehicle, with a battery-only range of 53 miles in the latest version, and 35 miles in the original version. Recharge of the smallish battery requires 12h @ 110v and 2.3h @ 220v. The minimal electric range meant that many owners would never see any compensation in fuel savings for the added cost of the hybrid powertrain, over the average ownership period of the vehicle.

IMHO, China is welcome to it, and can probably best the latest Volt design easily.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')it seems to me the Ds are spending more time attacking Trump then they are attacking GM.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')EV and PHEV industry in the US is dying

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '.')..............

With GM shutting down the Volt, and Ford shutting down the Fiesta, the EV and PHEV industry in the US is dying, while China and Germany are charging ahead (pun intended).

Cheers!

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', ' ')there will be more full EVs to come from US automakers (including GM). It's a bad look not to have these revealed in full before killing the Volt, but they will arrive.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Excuse me if I don't share your boundless faith in GM and their good intentions

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'F')ord Fiesta...

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'F')ord Fiesta...

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', ' ') I was fully aware of the Ford Focus hybrid...

[Subjectivist]

If the government really wanted GM to keep building Volts all they have to do is order 25,000 units every year for replacements of existing government sedans. All the sudsidy vs tarriff stuff is a round about way of gettng more units in use.