[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he Planning Forum (and the rest of the forums for that matter) are full of doomers calling for the end of the world and there are so few soft-landers to combat them.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he Planning Forum (and the rest of the forums for that matter) are full of doomers calling for the end of the world and there are so few soft-landers to combat them.

[killJOY]

Now, Graeme's comment "bring on the abuse" means "ignore me."

Those who think "doomerism" is overrated or mental illness should just not prepare.

Put your balls out there. Be happy and consume. I'll be cautious, conservative and slightly depressed, not waiting for the inflatable cowboy of "alternative algal superpower" to come to my rescue.

[TheDude]

I'm bummed because it took two minutes for the server to let me reply...

One thing I've noticed is that the verbose Cornicopiaholers like Lorenzo and RGR have been "permanently banned," meaning you don't really get any kind of detailed defense of their schemes or figures, just Tar Sands newbies saying that we'll be saved by electric cars and windmills and the Doomerolies posting links to previous topics that shot them down. 'Bout the only optimist still hanging around seems to be Omnitir who just says that the march of technology will bail us out. Even he thinks tech may just as well sink us in the end.

That and the simple fact that no news is good news. Oh, and many of the...us Doomskies still hope to build a bitchin' awesome compound to ride out the storm and we're deathly afraid the rest of the world will figure out that horribly high gas prices aren't simply market machinations and jump to the same conclusion/piece of bottom land.

[Tyler_JC]

OK, Sweden gets half of its electricity from hydroelectricity.

The other half comes from nuclear power.

I don't see a high likelihood of their electrical grid crashing in the next 20 years given those two facts.

I also do not think that given our current level of technology and the scalability of alternatives, we will reach Peak Energy on the same day that we reach Peak Oil.



Maybe I'm reading the wrong news articles, but to me, the situation is actually improving somewhat.

To me, the doomers are being repudiated by continued technology improvements and new renewable energy projects. The Doomsday time line keeps getting pushed back.

However, if oil production does crash at 5%/year+, I agree with the doomers, there will be a disaster and many will die off rather quickly. We can still have a dieoff in the third world, an economic recession in the first world, but life as usual for most of the people on this site.

Or maybe now that the soft landers have been scared off/banned, I'm forced to pick up their banner?

(Old habit from debate team, always join the losing side)

[NEOPO]

What does the JC in Tyler_JC refer to? Just curious

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'H')owever, if oil production does crash at 5%/year+, I agree with the doomers, there will be a disaster and many will die off rather quickly. We can still have a dieoff in the third world, an economic recession in the first world, but life as usual for most of the people on this site.

[JPL]

Prrmph. When I first joined this group people were talking about a peak in 2009/10. Now it turns out it (probably) happened in 2005.

The main reason either soft-landers or back-to-nature types (like myself) are short on airspace right now is because we are all busy off buying real estate & erecting windmills (pluggh).

JPL

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy the sudden and massive uptick in pessimism?

[gnm]

My sentiments exactly Twilight....

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to erecting the wind genny...

-G

[strider3700]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'P')rrmph. When I first joined this group people were talking about a peak in 2009/10. Now it turns out it (probably) happened in 2005.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')hat does the JC in Tyler_JC refer to? Just curious

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')y old handle on the MSN forum was TylerJC. When I tried making an account on this forum, I messed something up and ended up deleting the TylerJC account, replacing it with Tyler_JC. Tyler is my first name, J is my middle initial, and C is the first letter of my last name. I'd rather not give out my entire name on an internet forum because I'd also rather not be tracted down, kidnapped, and eaten by psychotic web cannibals.

[Tyler_JC]

Hahaha...

Yeah, I can see how you might be tempted to think I'm in the JC Fan Club.

The constant running joke about how Jesus will come down and solve all of our problems probably doesn't help my image.

So for the record, I'm half Jewish and I've probably been to church maybe a dozen times in my entire life. Most of those times were for the weddings/funerals of other people.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') had a visit today from a good friend who's also a peaker. He just got back from visiting a bunch of friends all over Europe. He told me that everyone he talked with has the feeling that bad things are about to happen, except for a few people in finance who are totally out of touch. These are not peak oil people, just a variety of folks from his social circle. He said, "Everyone's feeling the vibe." Maybe it's not just around here that pessimism is growing.

[lotrfan55345]

well, as long as these are still available...

[Baldwin]

I attribute the pessimism to the belief that we will see the first really noticeable parts of SHTF come summer and fall of 2007. Gas prices certainly aren't helping to curtail the pessimism either.

[jupiters_release]

I think TSHTF won't officially start until 2008, I predicted three years when I joined two years ago and still looks on target.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'w')ell, as long as these are still available...

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'w')ell, as long as these are still available...