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when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 22:39:39

really... the way our current civilization is structured is non sensical. from wasting years learning useless information (school), to our money that doesn't have any value at all... the war industry, copyrights that never end... our society as a network more of collegues than friends, the machinization of life... the double morals, the irrational laws... those that do they work worst usually stay in them (politicians, some teachers)... the pursuit of "the pleasures of life" as the only goal... which isn't that bad, until people start hurting others to satiate there temporary desires... the merchantilization of almost all human activity.

we should start a society from scratch... or something :)
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby shortonsense » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 22:49:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'r')eally... the way our current civilization is structured is non sensical.


Really? I think its ordered in a pretty obvious way myself. Or it at least seems that way.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', '
')from wasting years learning useless information (school),


It has always struck me that you get exactly as much from school as you expect. Differential equations certainly isn't something I would have learned on my own...at least not easily.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', '
') to our money that doesn't have any value at all...


I've been collecting gold coins with mine....paper for gold..that paper must have SOME value still!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', '
')we should start a society from scratch... or something :)


We did. Sounds like you aren't happy with the results though. There are other forms of "society" which people try out occasionally, my aunt loves Amsterdam, my mom loves beach life, myself, I'm partial to Alaska.

Maybe a nice vacation would cheer you up a little?
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Narz » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 23:48:30

It's working out very well in some ways, not so good in others.

If you want something different, articulate it, try to make it happen.

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."

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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Schmuto » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 00:27:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'c')opyrights that never end


Funny. This part caught my eye.

Copyright infringement is worth about 10 grand per infraction. Download a song illegally. 10 grand. 10 songs? 100 grand.

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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Hermes » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 12:12:37

If you dig deeper I think you'll find that ANY civilization is structured in an insane way. It has to be.

Finally the only society which is healthy for humans and the earth is a tribal one.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 12:21:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'r')eally... the way our current civilization is structured is non sensical. from wasting years learning useless information (school), to our money that doesn't have any value at all... the war industry, copyrights that never end... our society as a network more of collegues than friends, the machinization of life... the double morals, the irrational laws... those that do they work worst usually stay in them (politicians, some teachers)... the pursuit of "the pleasures of life" as the only goal... which isn't that bad, until people start hurting others to satiate there temporary desires... the merchantilization of almost all human activity.

we should start a society from scratch... or something :)


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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 14:26:24

the big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 15:46:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'w')e should start a society from scratch... or something :)


i think that was the spirit in Northern California in the '70's & '80's.

pot-growing was & is a big part of the culture (since it's one of the primary industries). over time, the idealism, like what you expressed in your post, was diminished.

so, just trying to say there's a lot of people who have embarked on a similar path by buying a piece of land and living life outside of the suburbia norm.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 20:27:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')he big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.


war came after or before agriculture?
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:01:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')he big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.



Lots of folks practiced agriculture and didn't crap things up (much). A particular kind of agriculture with a particular set of ideas was/is a problem.



"The Question (ID Number 404)...

Wouldn't the laws of chance dictate that the Agricultural Revolution was bound to happen to one culture in the human race sooner or later? If so, wouldn't this contradict what B said about the Agricultural Revolution being a fluke? Maybe there was a specific reason for the revolution that we just haven't discovered yet.
...and the response:

"The Agricultural Revolution" is an artifact of our cultural mythology. In short, there was no such thing. Agriculture is nothing more than encouraging the regrowth of the foods you favor, and this is something humans everywhere do to a greater or lesser extent, regardless of their lifestyle, and there's no reason to think this was not true a hundred thousand years ago. Hunter-gatherers, though they don't engage in crop agriculture, routinely encourage the regrowth of the foods they favor, in small, unspectacular ways. When Europeans arrived in the New World, they found virtually not a single culture that wasn't encouraging the regrowth of the foods they favored. In other words, they were all agriculturalists to a certain extent, but not necessarily to the extend of living exclusively on crops. So you see, the idea that people went from foraging to crop agriculture in a single "revolutionary" leap is a just story we tell our children. It simply didn’t happen that way. "

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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:08:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'w')e should start a society from scratch... or something :)


We need to reduce global population significantly.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:30:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')he big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.



Lots of folks practiced agriculture and didn't crap things up (much). A particular kind of agriculture with a particular set of ideas was/is a problem.



"The Question (ID Number 404)...

Wouldn't the laws of chance dictate that the Agricultural Revolution was bound to happen to one culture in the human race sooner or later? If so, wouldn't this contradict what B said about the Agricultural Revolution being a fluke? Maybe there was a specific reason for the revolution that we just haven't discovered yet.
...and the response:

"The Agricultural Revolution" is an artifact of our cultural mythology. In short, there was no such thing. Agriculture is nothing more than encouraging the regrowth of the foods you favor, and this is something humans everywhere do to a greater or lesser extent, regardless of their lifestyle, and there's no reason to think this was not true a hundred thousand years ago. Hunter-gatherers, though they don't engage in crop agriculture, routinely encourage the regrowth of the foods they favor, in small, unspectacular ways. When Europeans arrived in the New World, they found virtually not a single culture that wasn't encouraging the regrowth of the foods they favored. In other words, they were all agriculturalists to a certain extent, but not necessarily to the extend of living exclusively on crops. So you see, the idea that people went from foraging to crop agriculture in a single "revolutionary" leap is a just story we tell our children. It simply didn’t happen that way. "

http://www.ishmael.org/Interaction/Qand ... Record=404

crop argiculture then, sheesh. :roll:

i think the life expectency/quality of life decline is fairly well documented.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:44:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')he big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.


war came after or before agriculture?

WAR (big W) generally after.

hunter gatherers, usually engaged in ritualistic or single combat. the record of any counter-examples is, as far as i know, pretty slim. however, when such groups came into contact with agriculturalists, then you had such occurrences.

no my friend, a lot of evils came from settling down and planting.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:49:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')i think the life expectency/quality of life decline is fairly well documented.


From grain agriculture, yes. :)
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Narz » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 22:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')i think the life expectency/quality of life decline is fairly well documented.


From grain agriculture, yes. :)

but lower than modern of course
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby ki11ercane » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 00:04:31

When the majority of people in the world began behaving, thinking, and acting stupid/idiotic/retarded. And unfortunately the majority rules, wins, and writes history and the future.

Face it, you're the minority (like the rest of us here) so we're phucked.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby ki11ercane » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 00:05:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'w')e should start a society from scratch... or something :)


We need to reduce global population significantly.


And I say this to anyone else who says the above:

"You first."
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 03:11:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 'w')e should start a society from scratch... or something :)


We need to reduce global population significantly.


And I say this to anyone else who says the above:

"You first."



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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 03:17:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')he big mistake was agriculture. it was all downhill from there.


war came after or before agriculture?

WAR (big W) generally after.

hunter gatherers, usually engaged in ritualistic or single combat. the record of any counter-examples is, as far as i know, pretty slim.


Then how do u know how did they fight? all those hundreds of thousands of small tribes? war was a constant back then, according to human nature. 1 out of 4 Neandertals was making it to 20.
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Re: when humanity became so misguided?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 03:31:04

The error or the beginning of our downfall came with the ego and individualism.
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