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THE Wind Power Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 04 Jun 2025, 08:42:28

It’s Okay to Notice When Solar and Wind Fail
Lessons from Spain’s Blackout
https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/ener ... -wind-fail

As an aside, Spain was the nation that went all in Solar Thermal back in the early 2000's. It was a total failure and we don't hear about Thermal anymore do we. It will be the same with Wind in another decade. Just another boondoggle stockmarket ripoff like the EV was.

Urgent reforms in Europe needed to revive wind power growth by 2030
Revive as in it's DEAD.
https://strategicenergy.eu/urgent-refor ... h-by-2030/

Investors Learn Brutal Lesson From Sweden’s Wind Farm Woes
Yes, you were ripped off. Just like everyone that invested in the EV bubble.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the years since the 179 turbines started spinning, operator Markbygden Ett AB has racked up hundreds of millions of euros in losses and suffered a heavy reputational blow. That traces back to a critical misstep: signing a 19-year contract known as a power purchase agreement that included unrealistic expectations about how much electricity the farm would produce around the clock... Russia’s invasion of Ukraine compounded the problem.

Ahhhh, Evil Putin :lol:
https://www.energyconnects.com/news/ren ... farm-woes/


Swedish government rejects 13 offshore wind projects over defense concerns
Because a Lie is often more publicly palatable than the truth
https://knowledge.energyinst.org/new-en ... ?id=139168

Dismal Failure: Wind Industry Delivers Dark-Ages (Occasional) Power Generation
https://stopthesethings.com/2024/08/13/ ... eneration/

All the same promises made about wind power were made about Solar Thermal and plants were built all across the world. They all went bust! What was the first response? Change the bloody brand name of course! Call them "Concentrated solar" instead so that anyone wanting to research them will be stonewalled when they search back through the web.

A former concentrated solar CEO on why the industry failed to launch
https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/a-fo ... to-launch/

But some startup want's back into the game, and they have a PLAN!
https://ratedpower.com/blog/concentrate ... -comeback/

Go on adam, start a thread about it and make an even bigger fool of yourself when it collapses.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 04 Jun 2025, 18:16:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]It’s Okay to Notice When Solar and Wind Fail
Lessons from Spain’s Blackout
https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/ener ... -wind-fail


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Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 05 Jun 2025, 16:09:09

Closer to home perhaps...

Coal the new Bridge fuel
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. NERC's summer reliability assessment, published on May 18, cited the 15-state Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) as the regional grid most likely to see a meltdown this summer. NERC’s warning proved to be prescient. On May 25, more than 100,000 customers in and around New Orleans lost power for most of the day when electricity demand exceeded supply, despite an emergency order from the Department of Energy several days earlier to keep a 1,560 megawatt coal plant in Michigan on-line that was slated for closure by the end of May. ERCOT, the Texas grid operator, has also warned of possible outages this summer due to potential low solar and wind energy availability during peak demand.

a recent study by the Berkeley National Laboratory found that data centers consumed 4% of total U.S. electricity in 2023 but will account for 12% of power demand by 2028.

At the same time, construction of new base-load power plants—natural gas, nuclear, and coal—has plummeted. Driven by federal, state, and local tax incentives, wind and solar have accounted for the lion’s share of new installed generation in recent years. The problem, of course, is that these power sources are intermittent, which is why New Orleans lost electricity in May and why the Iberian Peninsula suffered a blackout in April.
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/coal-new-bridge-fuel

So you see it's not just a few brain dead moppets here on PO that are clueless, the government itself is too. Wind power, while great for a few remote locations like Esperence in WA, is a tragedy for established cities and interconnected grids.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')...environmentalists remain committed to shuttering the remaining coal fleet and banning the construction of any new fossil fuel power plants. But the renewables-or-nothing approach they favor is crashing into a new energy reality. Not only is power demand poised to surge but building and connecting wind and solar plants, as well as the infrastructure needed to integrate them into the grid, is proving increasingly costly and challenging...

The era of tearing down existing, well-operating power plants before reliable replacement capacity is built and connected to the grid is over. The on-demand power plants already in service are more valuable than ever. While coal’s long-term future remains in question, its near-term importance is clear. Our existing fleet of coal plants can help us manage the transition to a more reliable and resilient energy future as we build the next generation of base-load resources.
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/coal-new-bridge-fuel

Idiots running the world :roll:
I only hope they can get a lot of those old coal burners back up to speed in time. But hey, I really don't care, and neither do you if you live outside the city and have a reliable backup yourself. I think it was Jay Hanson that really codified what you may think of as Peak Civilization, PeakCiv. The point in time when all us hungry mouths and greedy hands would come hard up against resource limits. Probably half the people on the planet already have!

Think of all those Africans that were well fed in the colonial era days that are now scrabbling to the aid trucks. All the millions in India and China that had austere but contented lives on their little farm patches, that are now displaced and herded into cities, living in squalor and slaving 60 hours a week in a factory or data center. All the millions in South America that are losing weight year by year as the industrial civilization they embraced can no longer deliver the daily basics. It was good while it lasted, but it was never going to outlast the reserves of Oil coal and Gas.

Wind power is very expensive to install, just look at the bills in Germany and elsewhere. It was a mistake to burn so much coal in China to build so many and it will be impossible to build replacements for them when the fossil fuels are gone. That is the great truth that all these morons still can't get their head around. Alternative industrial energy is a dead-end.
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Unread postby AdamB » Thu 05 Jun 2025, 20:23:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'C')loser to home perhaps...

Coal the new Bridge fuel
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. NERC's summer reliability assessment, published on May 18, cited the 15-state Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) as the regional grid most likely to see a meltdown this summer. NERC’s warning proved to be prescient. On May 25, more than 100,000 customers in and around New Orleans lost power for most of the day when electricity demand exceeded supply, despite an emergency order from the Department of Energy several days earlier to keep a 1,560 megawatt coal plant in Michigan on-line that was slated for closure by the end of May. ERCOT, the Texas grid operator, has also warned of possible outages this summer due to potential low solar and wind energy availability during peak demand.

a recent study by the Berkeley National Laboratory found that data centers consumed 4% of total U.S. electricity in 2023 but will account for 12% of power demand by 2028.

At the same time, construction of new base-load power plants—natural gas, nuclear, and coal—has plummeted. Driven by federal, state, and local tax incentives, wind and solar have accounted for the lion’s share of new installed generation in recent years. The problem, of course, is that these power sources are intermittent, which is why New Orleans lost electricity in May and why the Iberian Peninsula suffered a blackout in April.
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 05 Jun 2025, 21:44:38

'Wind theft': The mysterious effect plaguing wind farms https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2025 ... wind-theft
Just one more unintended consequence plaguing these money wasters

Denmark reboots failed offshore wind tender with subsidy sweetener
Denmark sweetens terms of auction round after disastrous December tender in which developers staged no-show. https://www.rechargenews.com/policy/den ... ott=z1qdGZ
Throw More money at it, that'll change the laws of physics :roll:
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Unread postby AdamB » Fri 06 Jun 2025, 10:59:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]'Wind theft': The mysterious effect plaguing wind farms https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2025 ... wind-theft
Just one more unintended consequence plaguing these money wasters


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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 07 Jun 2025, 17:07:37

Now now adam, don't feel disgruntled. Your loss is another person's win, remember that.

Majority of pension funds have net zero commitment...
In other words they are heavily invested in wind farms and the like. The very companies now going bust!

Kiwi Pension Fund Loses $50 Million in Ogin Ducted Turbine Fiasco
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')017- Ogin’s design arrived in a blaze of high-powered hype across the tech press in 2008. DOE’s Arpa, and MIT’s Technology Review swooned over what was, once again, supposed to be breathtaking new technology. Backed by big name venture capital company Kleiner Perkins, FloDesign-Ogin raised untold millions to develop a ducted wind turbine, including investments from New Zealand and Alberta sovereign wealth funds.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/kiwi-pen ... -paul-gipe

A typical story, Hype Hype Hype, suck everyone in and then walk away with the money. Why post up an 8 year old story? It took 8 or 9 years from inception for the truth to come out. The same with the EV bubble, a little longer there actually. What is being touted in the media today as the future will likewise be on the scrap heap in a few more years and rubbish like the following story doesn't help either.

UK pension funds could face £15.2bn loss from stranded fossil fuel assets
https://www.netzeroinvestor.net/news-an ... ts-by-2040
They claim the oil and Gas industry (the only thing keeping the lights on in Europe) will be a big loss in the future because alternate energy will make it redundant. That's patent crap, the oil industry will be with us till the last drop. Do people thing we'll pave roads in the future with old turbine blades instead of oil base?

Pension funds are deeply invested in this alternate transition crap and the poor souls looking for them to live off in the decades to come are going to get a nasty wakeup call. But it was always going to be that way because pension funds were never about securing a happy retirement for the working classes, they were always about fat capital flows that those at the top could skim off to live in luxury themselves.

It's no stretch of the imagination to believe the managers of these funds are meeting over dinner in an exclusive restaurant discussing their own personal gratuities with the promoters of these schemes. Special share options (bought by family members) Cayman Island accounts, it happens at every level of government and has been exposed many times in corporate affairs. They certainly have one on ones with the heads of these corporations, how else could they make proper decisions on where to invest? Oh it's a racket alright.
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Unread postby AdamB » Sat 07 Jun 2025, 18:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Kiwi Pension Fund Loses $50 Million in Ogin Ducted Turbine Fiasco
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')017- Ogin’s design arrived in a blaze of high-powered hype across the tech press in 2008. DOE’s Arpa, and MIT’s Technology Review swooned over what was, once again, supposed to be breathtaking new technology. Backed by big name venture capital company Kleiner Perkins, FloDesign-Ogin raised untold millions to develop a ducted wind turbine, including investments from New Zealand and Alberta sovereign wealth funds.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/kiwi-pen ... -paul-gipe

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I'm surprised you mindlessly post information even mentioning New Zealanders....a fine people compared to you prison colony descendants. I can understand your ire, when you tried to emigrate they probably recognized your uneducated accent and smell like your kangaroo transport and laughed you right out of the consulate.

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 07 Jun 2025, 20:32:18

The mistake you make adam is you believe because you had a successful working career you will enjoy a successful retirement. That because you knew a lot about your chosen field when working as a tax donkey you know a lot about how the world works outside of that. You are Wrong.

I worked for myself, and only half the hours a wage slave did so I had endless hours to research. Beginning in 2005 I was all over the web learning the pitfalls of modern life. I knew about the Great Recession a year and more before it happened, many people predicted it and many big insiders were selling out! Reserve bank Governors all over the world were retiring, getting out so they wouldn't be blamed. I saw the housing fall and slump occur just as predicted and bought into a lot of things as Covid lockdowns were kicking off because I knew there would be scarcity and that prices would go through the roof.

I'm not especially savvy on many of these subjects but one doesn't have to be. All you need is an open mind and a good bullshit detector. All the truth is out there, though it's getting harder and harder to search it up on swamp creatures like google. You just wait adam, you'll see those paper/digital assets you have pinned your hopes on collapse because hardly anyone is getting out of this with the shirt still on their back. It's just common sense really, we have untold trillions of promises to pay people in the decades to come and it's mostly held in entities that are already vastly overpriced and ready to collapse.

All the promises were built on Debt, the public companies are built on debt, National governments built on debt. And now the cheap energy is gone there is nothing to repay the debt let alone fuel another great expansion like after WWII. As I have pointed out here before the majority of companies in America are held in private hands and those elites will do fine just like they have always done in ages past. The little pleb in his little house though is loaded up with garbage investments and debts and bills that never stop coming. Debt is toxic adam, you should have retired your debts long ago. All of them.

Every generation gets duded in retirement but every 80~100 years there is a major reset, a real duding that leaves millions homeless and hungry. We're on the brink of that so get ready. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of company, most people in your town will probably be suffering the same poverty just like in those poor southern towns. Poverty is relative isn't it. If you grew up eating steak and buying nice cloths and now you're eating chicken and ground beef, buying you cloths from one of those cheap chain stores, you've already lost ground haven't you. Where did your cloths come from adam? Your shoes? Target? Walmart? It's all junk-wear. Good shoes cost around 100~$150, and upwards for nice boots. Good shirts $30 and more. Those are US prices. Poverty is relative.
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Unread postby AdamB » Sat 07 Jun 2025, 22:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')he mistake you make adam is you believe because you had a successful working career you will enjoy a successful retirement. That because you knew a lot about your chosen field when working as a tax donkey you know a lot about how the world works outside of that. You are Wrong.


As usual, you presume, and it isn't a rule you don't have to PROVE you are uneducated AND stupid. One at a time will do.

I never believed that because of a successful professional career I would have a successful retirement....I believed that if I saved and invested money through time, I would have money in retirement. "Success in retirement" and "money in retirement" are two different things. I understand, you probably can't count that high, or understand the logic.

In the book “Outliers”, Malcolm Gladwell popularized the notion that to become an expert in a field requires putting in 10,000 hours of practice

Assuming a 40 hour week, that is just under 5 years to be considered an expert in the field. I've had 3 careers, distinct breaks in professional work that also comprosed entirely different fields of expertise. 17 years in the first, 15 in the second, and 12 in the third.

I am completely eligible for retirement right now. The good news is that the retirement you think is "successful" is personal and selfish, and about money...for YOU.

Every investment I've made over these careers has 2 names on it, including the house. Rights of survivorship apply to every thing I've saved, except the gold. Its official existence has been lost in antiquity. Not even sure I know where it is anymore.... :)

You statement gives you away...that someone works to retire. It can be true.....but it would seem to apply to people who don't have things to do for work that are better than retirement. Like you, and digging ditches or whatever. i'd want to get away from that as fast as possible just like you. The difference is that you are stuck with such things because of your capabilities, and I was not.

So my work....isn't work. It is professional wonderment. You, not having an intellect, won't understand. And I don't care. But where it leads is the difference between no one in the world giving a crap about some ditch digger jagoff talking about tracks they have never ridden on, and CSIRO tracking down a world class expert and flying half way around the planet to present their ideas to someone they have never met before....but certainly knew by reputation.

I might retire some day. If the right circumstances come up, health heads south, someone demands I quit my excellent salary so I will be released from proprietary information and system restrictions and can triple my income being their consultant. Can't say I think about it much....when you live a shitty life where work is work like you, it makes sense to get out fast and then just be...lazy. It isn't as though your mind is worth shit to anyone for anything.
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 08 Jun 2025, 03:46:41

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Unread postby AdamB » Sun 08 Jun 2025, 10:43:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')img]https://www.activenews.ro/images/articole/180368.jpg[/img]


A personal lesson here as well, have you lost your gold again?
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 08 Jun 2025, 17:32:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') recent study published in Energy, a peer-reviewed energy and engineering journal, found that—after accounting for backup, energy storage and associated indirect costs—solar power costs skyrocket from US$36 per megawatt hour (MWh) to as high as US$1,548 and wind generation costs increase from US$40 to up to US$504 per MWh.
https://energynow.ca/2025/01/solar-and- ... ts-a-fact/

Because there is no escape from the laws of Nature.

How Wind And Solar Sent Energy Prices Sky-High in ‘Green’ Countries
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eople in renewable-heavy countries pay more for power that still relies on fossil fuel backup.
Ask families in Germany and the UK what happens when more and more supposedly “cheap” solar and wind power is added to the national power mix, and they can tell you by looking at their utility bills: It gets far more expensive.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-w ... countries/

The cheerleaders of renewable energy were clueless saps who played right into the hands of corporations and government apparatchiks, the bureaucrats seeking to silence climate protestors and obfuscate the fact that the world is running out of cheap energy. Well you got what you asked for. Enjoy.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') recent study published in Energy, a peer-reviewed energy and engineering journal, found that—after accounting for backup, energy storage and associated indirect costs—solar power costs skyrocket from US$36 per megawatt hour (MWh) to as high as US$1,548 and wind generation costs increase from US$40 to up to US$504 per MWh.
https://energynow.ca/2025/01/solar-and- ... ts-a-fact/
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 18:47:20

Let's get slightly technical

The Boom and Bust Cycles of Wind Energy

As of 2024, wind accounts for 10% of US energy generation, comprising a larger share in states like Texas, where the wind resource is particularly great. Over a third of the world’s wind generating capacity, however, is located in China whose expansive wind farms collectively generate 886 TWh annually.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here was one company in particular that capitalized on the innovations that poured into the wind industry: the Jacobs Wind Electric Company. Two Montana-based brothers, Marcellus and Joseph Jacobs, decided to build a wind turbine on their farm, which previously relied on gasoline generators for electricity. Refueling would cost them a three-day journey to the nearest town, so they opted to see if they could generate electricity from the wind.

The Jacobs brothers ultimately arrived at a three-blade turbine model, not unlike the kind commonly built today, and the product took small-town America by storm. What started with their neighbors asking them to install turbines on their lots ended up growing into a thriving business which, by the time the company ceased operations in 1956, had distributed 20,000 units all across the United States.

Wind became the heart of a small, but growing movement of decentralized energy generation in America. However, this would soon come to an end as centralized power provision finally made its way across the country. The Rural Electrification Administration was inaugurated by Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s administration in 1936 to bring grid power to rural areas once and for all. However, as Brandon Owens notes in his excellent The Wind Power Story, “as a precondition for transmission interconnection, farms with wind turbines were required to destroy them.”
https://www.contrary.com/foundations-an ... ind-energy

The article goes on to describe NASA's innovations in the 1970's and the collapse of the offshore farms recently. One thing becomes clear reading the article though, Scale is the dominant factor. Scale and the proximity to the user. Generating electricity from the wind is very expensive and very problematic and can only be achieved at all because we have an underlying fossil fuel economy to enable it. Even the simple farm turbines of 100 years ago would have been impossible if it were not for the industrial capacity that built the metal and refined the copper cheaply that enabled them to be built, from tractor generators probably?

The false assumption of modern wind energy was that we could save the climate by transitioning from coal to wind. But these wind plants actually require the immense coal burning industries of China for their very existence and always will. There is no way the manufacturing and supply chains could be "electrified" so it was all a stupid waste of resources be begin with. Add to this the losses inherent in grid connected systems and you have a total dead end. Coal is cheap, Gas is cheap, and as long as they last we will have abundant relatively cheap electricity. If it was to all disappear tomorrow we'd have about 10 years of ongoing power from the existing windmills and then nothing because once they broke down there would be no replacement.

Wind power works, obviously, on small windswept farms that only used the power for electric lighting and a radio, with a truck battery as a storage backup and regulation. A brushless generator good for a decade and more and a battery for 5 or 10 years. But it was cheaper than shipping in gasoline to run a generator and no doubt a hell of a lot cheaper than covering the nation with poles wires transformers and all else. That grid was built for cities and industry basically, the remote householders got a share as a bonus because the wires passed their way. Now we have poles and wires up the wazoo, up every nowhere mountain and dead end road. Cheap coal and oil allowed that, wind energy will not unless we go back to small 3kW units and switch back to AM radio and kerosene refrigerators.
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 19:13:03

Time for a bike ride, the twisties are calling, Harleys need not apply :-D

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This is the section I'm heading for, newly repaved, beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-VHtJtEhs
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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 21:40:26

[quote="theluckycountry"]Time for a bike ride, the twisties are calling, Harleys need not apply :-D
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This is Tail of the Dragon. Squids who confuse displacement with riding talent need not apply.

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Australians are banned from this one, it is above the altitude at which they can breath. They just don't have the continent for it, or the cajones.

Run back to your little beginner roads, don't forget to stay at the speed limit of the kangaroo you are riding.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 10 Jun 2025, 21:18:54

if only kub was still here to lead you along eh adam.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 08:22:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'i')f only kub was still here to lead you along eh adam.


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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 00:11:33

Sorry adam, that last pic was a bit rude of me wasn't it :lol:
I'm sure you never had your whole face up there, just your nose eh.
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