Its literally impossible to transition from oil to wind and solar.
You need an EROEI of over 50 to transition to and the only things that fit that bill are molten salt(not necessarily thorium starvinglion) and HAWT.
Solar EROEI: 2 to 10
Wind EROEI 20 to 30
Moltex is my favourite molten salt:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/0 ... CRQoYXXKHl
LCOE $38 cheaper than any form of power on the grid.
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Impossible - wind and solar
Impossible - wind and solar
by Tikib » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 06:41:11
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Re: Impossible - wind and solar
by Tanada » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 07:07:28
Actually most forms of Fission power station have a better than 50:1 EROEI. Molten salt are great because they make reprocessing easiest, but they are not the single possible solution.
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Re: Impossible - wind and solar
by Tikib » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 07:27:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')ctually most forms of Fission power station have a better than 50:1 EROEI. Molten salt are great because they make reprocessing easiest, but they are not the single possible solution.
Sadly this simply isn't true. If it were we would all be using nuclear power. PWR's need a huge amount of there theorectical EROEI spent on safety.
Whereas MSR designs are walk away safe and use most of the energy in the fuel. MSR designs have predicted energy costs of about a quarter of that of current reactor designs.
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Re: Impossible - wind and solar
by Tanada » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 09:19:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')ctually most forms of Fission power station have a better than 50:1 EROEI. Molten salt are great because they make reprocessing easiest, but they are not the single possible solution.
Sadly this simply isn't true. If it were we would all be using nuclear power. PWR's need a huge amount of there theorectical EROEI spent on safety.
Whereas MSR designs are walk away safe and use most of the energy in the fuel. MSR designs have predicted energy costs of about a quarter of that of current reactor designs.
Investing in safety needs to be done on the basis of cost benefit analysis. Unfortunately the fear mongers are never satisfied and continue to demand one more layer of safety, then one more layer of safety, then one more.... If you allow the fear mongers to determine your costs they will always drive costs up to the point where your system loses its economic advantage. There are passive safe PWR designs, but they never got built because the fear mongers convinced investors not to build any more fission power stations. There are also proven walk away safe gas cooled designs and walk away safe liquid sodium cooled designs, which were proven in testing before being killed by the Bill Clinton administration.
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