[richardmmm]

carbon based and perectly valid alternative.

you can even test it out at home, so don't start all this sceptical doomday crap until after you've finished setting this lot up.

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm


if everyone concetrated on going somewhere with all this banter you'd all have the answers by now, instead everyone's harping on at each other and poking fun and it's all rather tedious.

maybe if we crush up all the doomsayers and use thier biomass as an energy source (not to mention the energy saved by preventing their continuing negative drivel from clogging up the airwaves), we'd have enough energy for thousands of years.

[JudoCow09]

That site really is quite interesting though I can only feel that you are somehow related to it. Maybe I'm wrong.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')aybe if we crush up all the doomsayers and use thier biomass as an energy source (not to mention the energy saved by preventing their continuing negative drivel from clogging up the airwaves), we'd have enough energy for thousands of years.

[backstop]

Richard -

you may think the production of Syngas (CO + H2) to be a perectly valid alternative, but if you'd like to see it discussed then you'd do well to avoid denigrating others' views gratuitously.

Syngas goes back at least to the C18 as a lab product, and to the C19 as a commercial one, while its production using water was novel in the C20.

The source of carbon and of power input is what makes it appear highly questionable as any sort of alternative. I've yet to find any indication that this is the most energy efficient use of biomass carbon.

Can you tell me just what is the EROEI is of this process ?

Regards,

Backstop

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('From the website:', 'Y')ou need only to get :
- A little plastic soda bottle,
- two carbon rods ( 70mm length, 6mm diam )
- one 1 ohm 50Watts resistor
- a DC Power supply which is able to deliver 35v / 10A
- some wires, plugs and silicon cement.

[Kaare_Mai]

This thread, or parts of it belongs inthe Hall of Flames.

And to the author of this thread; if you want to discuss technology or any other topic in this site, thenplease do so in an orderly tone.

We all have different believs and theories about Peak Oil, please respect that.


Thank you

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('richardmmm', 'c')arbon based and perectly valid alternative.

you can even test it out at home, so don't start all this sceptical doomday crap until after you've finished setting this lot up.

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm

[ChumpusRex]

Fascinating.

There's nothing clever here - it's just an electrolysis cell, where the carbon electrodes burn in the oxygen produced (that's why there's all that Carbon monoxide).

Coal gas was produced commercially for over 100 years, before the discovery and utilisation of natural gas. The only difference was that the coal gas system was simpler and more efficient - the coal was just heated in air and partially burned to form carbon monoxide and hydrogen.

At any rate, Naudin is a buffoon, so anything on his web site needs to be viewed with a degree of skepticism. See my thoughts on his other projects Here - about 2/3 of the way down

[richardmmm]

point is you take coal or carbon and you make a gas that runs a combustion engine just as well as oil and at least as well as LPG or Propane etc.

this is not meant to prove the end all and be all of all the problems, it simply shows that you can lose oil tomorrow, it is not as important as people think, there are plenty of alternatives, especially in the sort term if prices get high and the object is to have energy to keep things going.

you can dig up coal and run tractors and farm equipment and transportation on this stuff without a great deal of problem so the concept of everything grinding to a halt without oil is flawed.

Science used to think the world was flat, Science has made many mistakes, the lifters work, they are easy to test and yet physics cannot explain it properly.

There are many things physics cannot explain and infact despite all their investigations, they still suffer from the world is flat problem, only it has simply sunk down many many layers of complexity to the point that the layman would find it difficult to see that there are still great holes in physics.

perpetual engines in theory are impossible, but an engine that produces a vast amount of energy for a tiny input should be possible.

many people were ridiculed for trying to find the americas, many boats disappeared and never came back, but that didn't stop people from trying until they got it right.

[backstop]

If this is the best that this person can do to respond to questions raised by his post then I suggest that it is a waste of time, of energy and of bandwidth to respond any further.

Backstop

[FoxV]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('richardmmm', 'c')arbon based and perectly valid alternative.

you can even test it out at home, so don't start all this sceptical doomday crap until after you've finished setting this lot up.

[Devil]

Troll is the keyword. FYI, the article mentions a fantastic chemical formula COH2. The only substance with this proportion of elements is a highly noxious gas called methanal (syn. formaldehyde), more usually written HCHO. I would suspect that anyone who would dare call a mix of H2 and CO (not even in stoichiometric ratio) as a substance with a chemical formula would be betraying himself as knowing nothing about chemistry or even science, in general.

Put it this way, if you plunge a 350 W water heater into a beaker of water, it will come to the boil in a couple of minutes. If you put the beaker over the piddling flame shown in the photos, it would take a day and a half to bring it to the boil. That will illustrate the energy efficiency of your system. Incidentally, it is probable that >300 W of your input energy will do nothing but heat the water in the bottle. Some will be dissipated as radiated EM energy (broad spectrum light) and some to electolyse the water and some to oxidise the carbon of one electrode.

My advice: grow up, absorb some good high school books on physics and chemistry and only then start posting here.