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THE Winter Heating Thread (merged)

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Re: Heat your home this winter with free oil.

Unread postby aflatoxin » Tue 22 Nov 2005, 03:03:40

Most of the Lead in waste oil is probably from gasoline. I see this a lot working on SVE's at old gas stations.

Chromium and Cadmium are probably from antifreeze formulations of the same vintage.

These do a pretty splendid job of poisoning the catalysts on the thermal oxidizers, don't they?

Newer waste oil should be much cleaner. Few people still have waste oil from the 70's in their garages.

As an interesting aside, I've been told that zinc and cadmium are hard to seperate. As a consequence, there is a lot of cadmium in tires. (something to do with the Vulcanizing process) There is so much cadmium in the dirt on the side of the roads (from tire dust), it is hazwaste, and the dust is apparently pretty bad to breathe. Wear your respirator when on the bike.

Cars are death on wheels. For any number of reasons.
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Re: Heat your home this winter with free oil.

Unread postby shakespear1 » Tue 22 Nov 2005, 06:22:58

I suspected a lot of what I read here, but still it is intersting to read and learn.

Guess it is not strange why trips to the hospitals for cancers are so prevalent in the West. :oops:
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If winter is bitter, brace for a natural-gas crunch

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 29 Nov 2005, 14:09:18

From Christian Science Monitor (reprinted in USA Today):

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1129/p01s02-usec.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom Maine to Florida, from Virginia to Missouri, as much as half the United States confronts the possibility that harshly cold weather will lead to restrictions of natural-gas supplies. In some places - areas heavily dependent on natural gas to produce electricity - the prospect of "rolling blackouts," or controlled power outages, is much higher than in previous winters.

Any natural-gas cutoffs would primarily affect electric-power plants and factories fueled by gas, not homes, and be most likely in the Northeast.

If cold deepens for prolonged periods, the likelihood of interrupted natural-gas supplies rises to 30 percent in the Northeast and to 10 percent as far south as Florida and as far west as Missouri, according to a recent report by the Interstate Natural Gas Association of America (INGAA), a trade association representing gas pipeline companies. In a "worst-case" scenario, chances of interrupted gas rise to 40 percent for the Northeast and 25 percent across the eastern seaboard.


They blame the hurricanes:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')inter began mildly, and natural-gas storage caverns are now almost full. Still, hurricane damage continues to block about 6 percent of the nation's gas supply flowing through pipelines north from the Gulf of Mexico. The government reported last week that 32 percent of the Gulf supply remains "shut in" - a loss of 3.2 billion cubic feet per day. That's at the high end of the range the INGAA predicts will be "missing" this winter.

This missing flow of gas could be critical in mid- to late winter, when reserves are drawn down.

"This loss of supply - even if only temporary - is cause for concern," Phillip Wright of Williams Pipeline, the nation's second largest gas transporter, told Congress this month. "It cannot be emphasized enough that storage supplements, but does not replace, natural gas flowing through the interstate pipeline network."
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Re: If winter is bitter, brace for a natural-gas crunch

Unread postby aahala » Tue 29 Nov 2005, 14:52:14

Here in Missouri, I'm experiencing my first (self-imposed) NG cutoff.
It's beginning to feel a whole lot more like Christmas :)

In seeing this thread, I recalled I hadn't looked at the gas meter for
three days and it's only been since then it has gotten cold. I had been
doing so well keeping useage way down but not so much a last few
days.

So I looked at my gas history online. BS! The gas service company
has raised rates by 27%. Three months ago they had raised by 21%.
So I'm now paying 55% more than 13 months ago.

I don't need a beard to play Santa in here, icecycles are forming on my
face. :razz:
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Re: If winter is bitter, brace for a natural-gas crunch

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 29 Nov 2005, 20:45:25

I stole the following analysis from an AOL message board AOL Message Board
and thought some readers might be interested in "MCarr's" number crunching.

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"A visit to the "Commodities Corner" column in Barron's 11/28/05 indicated that LNG imports for the 3rd quarter were 23% below the year ago number. The reasons include that LNG export facilities lack the necessary capacity and some other countries have upped their imports. There are 9 large export facilities scheduled to come on line by the end of 2006 so by this time next year there should be a lot more available.

The latest information that I could find quickly at the DOE site was updated through Aug 2005. For Jul and Aug 2004 the LNG imports were 75 and 59.5 bcfd. For Jul and Aug 2005 the LNG imports were 53.1 and 43.6 bcf so the drop has been significant. On a daily basis we can estimate that the drop was
(75 + 59.5 - 53.1 -43.6) / 62 = 37.8 / 62 = 0.61 bcfd or about 4.2 bcfw.

If we extend this into November then we would be missing another 4.2 bcf during the week ended 11/18/05 which just adds a little more to the perplexing question of where all the gas is coming from or where it is not being used. .

Why stop with LNG estimates? I looked at the same data for pipeline imports published by the DOE. For the months Jan through May of this year pipeline imports were greater than last year. but in June and August they were substantially less. For example in August they were almost 44 bcf lower (1.42 bcfd). The month with the biggest increase over last year was March when about 35 bcf more was imported. Unfortunately we don't have any data for November but we can make a worst case estimate. In November of last year we imported 327.5 bcf. Looking at the data since Jan 2002 the highest import month was about 350 bcf. Assuming that this is the maximum that can be imported then the largest amount by which imports in November could have exceeded last years imports would be about 22.5 bcf (0.75 bcfd/5.25/wk). Previous reports from Canada do not paint a picture favorable to increased exports especially when you consider that they require more gas to increase production of oil sands.

My conclusion is that it is not likely then that imports could account for a significant portion of the 80+ bcf that was identified in previous posts. In fact when the data is all in, it may turn out that imports join the GOM in providing less gas vs last year.

U.S. Natural Gas Imports by Country
Info from previous post follows:
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The MMS data for the week ended 11/19/04 indicates that shut in production in the GOM was approximately 7 X .67847 = 4.75 bcf. This compares to the approximate 26 bcf shut in for the week ended 11/18/05. You can adjust the calculations in the previous post to reflect this info.
Production in the GOM (when shut ins are restored) would be 10 bcfd(11/18/05) and 12.3 bcfd(1/18/04) according to the reports
Therefore, new production minus depletion in the GOM is a negative 2.3 bcfd or 16.1 bcf/week if the MMS reports are accurate. If there were no shut in production in either year, production contributed from the GOM would be 16.1 bcf/week less this year than last.
The difference in production from last year including the shut ins would be:
(12.3 bcfd - .67847 bcfd) * 7 = 81.35 bcf {11/19/04}
(10 bcf - 3.617 bcfd) * 7 = 44.681 bcf {11/18/05}
81.35 bcf/week - 44.681 bcfw = 36.67 bcf/week
Production from the GOM for the week ended 11/18/05 was therefore 36.67 bcf less than last year. New land based production minus depletion would have to be pretty large to compensate for this GOM decline.Also recall that the draw down for 11/19/04 was 49 bcf vs 8 bcf this year even though it was considerable colder this year than last.
Logic would dictate that the draw down this year would have been greater than last even if GOM production was equal in the two years so we are talking about (36.67 + 41 + Factor for colder weather = > 80 bcf).
If you are inclined to make calculations like I am, let me know if you agree. Links to the two reports as well as the relevant excerpt follow.
11/18/05"

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US heating cost to rise 10% this winter

Unread postby IslandCrow » Wed 10 Oct 2007, 02:06:31

BBC report
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S consumers will pay on average 10% more to warm their homes this winter than they did last year, according to a government forecast.


I notice that the short article ranks different fuels used for heating with oil going up most (18%), natural gas next (10%), and electricity only by 4%. This fits well with a lot of the models of how close to peak we are in each area.
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Re: US heating cost to rise 10% this winter

Unread postby Jack » Wed 10 Oct 2007, 07:39:44

That should go well with those Christmas bills!

Seriously, I think the economy - at least, the economy from the perspective of the bottom two socioeconomic quintiles - is going to be in distress soon.

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Re: US heating cost to rise 10% this winter

Unread postby Revi » Thu 18 Oct 2007, 22:39:31

I saw a price of $2.69.9 a gallon today for heating oil. That's already over 10% up from last winter here. It can only go up from here, with the dollar tanking so hard. Scary.

We know a person who put her last $7 into her heating oil tank, in October! It hasn't even frosted yet here. This is going to be a nasty winter for the poor and the working poor. I am glad we have a woodstove!
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Do you need #1 winter fuel?

Unread postby markcl » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 23:12:03

Winter will be here soon and there is very little winter diesel fuel to be had here in east South Dakota or west Minnesota, I took the last 28 gallons in Milbank.It is needed in all trucks and tractors and outdoor stored home heating oil at temps just below freezing. Maybe the roads will be just big parking lots.
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Re: Do you need #1 winter fuel?

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 23:35:41

The Dakotas and Minnesota were all settled before the age of oil. What did people use to do then, how did they stay warm? (Of course as long as they kept their Horses or Mules alive through winter they didn’t have to worry if the machinery would work next spring).
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Re: Do you need #1 winter fuel?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 02:18:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'T')he Dakotas and Minnesota were all settled before the age of oil. What did people use to do then, how did they stay warm? (Of course as long as they kept their Horses or Mules alive through winter they didn’t have to worry if the machinery would work next spring).


They cut the native forests down.
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Re: Do you need #1 winter fuel?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 03:49:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'T')he Dakotas and Minnesota were all settled before the age of oil. What did people use to do then, how did they stay warm? (Of course as long as they kept their Horses or Mules alive through winter they didn’t have to worry if the machinery would work next spring).


They cut the native forests down.


Of course we cut down the forests just to find enought work to keep us warm... we also cut them down to build houses through out the midwest.

We also burned poop.

And we wore wool

And we ate a lot of animal fat

We also cuddled under down blankets and made more babies

and we were cold

we didn't complain about it though cause everybody was cold

You still see the effect of this experience in the attitudes of those who descend from those settlers. You think life is good? Just wait winter is coming. The sun is warm and the flowers are blooming? Just wait here comes the wind and the -30 below night.

It is not an accident that Disney, Hollywood and the majority of the feel good popular culture has its roots in places without a hard winter. This attitude can only come from a place where the beauty of a warm sun can be taken for granted. It is my opinion that the storied work ethic of the upper midwest comes from the historical experience that if you do not make hay when you can then you will at the very least find yourself poor and may find yourself dead.

Some of us also remember that hard times probably won't kill you, if you are prepared.
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