[Questionmark]

So i'm beginning a research paper on post soviet Cuba and while I haven't started yet I've already come across some interesting stuff.



Just a small dip in available oil from ~225k a day to ~180k a day was enough to ruin the economy and trigger famine.

I also have never heard of this documentary before and was wondering if anybody had watched it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_ ... d_Peak_Oil

[Questionmark]

And if anybody knows of any good primary sources from that time period I would greatly appreciate any leads I can get. I'm hoping to find a Cuban that lived through it and interview them myself but that may prove difficult so the more stuff I can find from that time period the better.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', '
')Just a small dip in available oil from ~225k a day to ~180k a day was enough to ruin the economy and trigger famine.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', '
')Just a small dip in available oil from ~225k a day to ~180k a day was enough to ruin the economy and trigger famine.

[pana_burda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'A')nd if anybody knows of any good primary sources from that time period I would greatly appreciate any leads I can get. I'm hoping to find a Cuban that lived through it and interview them myself but that may prove difficult so the more stuff I can find from that time period the better.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'A')nd if anybody knows of any good primary sources from that time period I would greatly appreciate any leads I can get. I'm hoping to find a Cuban that lived through it and interview them myself but that may prove difficult so the more stuff I can find from that time period the better.

[Ache]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'A')nd if anybody knows of any good primary sources from that time period I would greatly appreciate any leads I can get. I'm hoping to find a Cuban that lived through it and interview them myself but that may prove difficult so the more stuff I can find from that time period the better.

[americandream]

ache

Modernity is modernity. Whether under capitalism or communism as both models of society are post feudal, technological by varying degrees and either secular or atheistic. Which is why you find for example, that nominally socialist societies make the transition oto capitalism with greater ease (China and The USSR) than do feudal ones (medieval Europe and more recently, the medieval world of Islam).

Having said that, the individualist society of capital is functionally alienating and hence, in crisis, prone to painful and violent displocation.

[Ache]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'a')che

Modernity is modernity. Whether under capitalism or communism as both models of society are post feudal, technological by varying degrees and either secular or atheistic. Which is why you find for example, that nominally socialist societies make the transition oto capitalism with greater ease (China and The USSR) than do feudal ones (medieval Europe and more recently, the medieval world of Islam).

Having said that, the individualist society of capital is functionally alienating and hence, in crisis, prone to painful and violent displocation.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ache', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'a')che

Modernity is modernity. Whether under capitalism or communism as both models of society are post feudal, technological by varying degrees and either secular or atheistic. Which is why you find for example, that nominally socialist societies make the transition oto capitalism with greater ease (China and The USSR) than do feudal ones (medieval Europe and more recently, the medieval world of Islam).

Having said that, the individualist society of capital is functionally alienating and hence, in crisis, prone to painful and violent displocation.

[pana_burda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'A')nd if anybody knows of any good primary sources from that time period I would greatly appreciate any leads I can get. I'm hoping to find a Cuban that lived through it and interview them myself but that may prove difficult so the more stuff I can find from that time period the better.

[PrestonSturges]

From what I've seen on tv, people are quite poor by first world standards, middle class + by Chinese standards, but surprisingly open and friendly. Although Cuba is tough on dissidents, they don't seem paralyzed by fear of informants.

[americandream]

@pana burda

I am a day trader and keep pace with regions and their potential. Those run by US clients, invariably bogged down with conservative kleptocrats (like Islamic nations) are basically shitholes, corrupt and backwards, with attitudes as regards modernity and civil society that will always exclude them from dynamic capitalist development, unlike Cuba (and increasingly Venezuela) who have all the trappings of modernist thinking for when they ultimately throw off regulation (which they will in due course as proper capitalism (not some banana republic) is a necessary precursor to socialism).

I will go one better and post a link on what investors think about Cuba (which looks rather appealing to me incidentally). Note the interesting points on Catholicism incidentally:

http://www.escapeartist.com/Live_In_Cuba/

[Puchica]

ache;
glad you posted, very interesting to hear from someone who lived through the collapse. El pie sabe donde aprieta el zapato, and I trust your description more than a foreigner's. However, not sure what you meant when you said people in Cuba are family oriented and do not care about helping their family; ?no se interesan en el ayudar a la familia? Perhaps that's not what you meant? I make lots of typos too. On the other hand, if you are saying that family ties are breaking down in Cuba, then that's a huge development, one that follows modernity.

[Shaved Monkey]

Hope this link gives you some places to help you with your research on Cuba.
Australians "invented" Permaculture and Australians have been involved in Cuba's Permaculture Revolutions post their special period.
Maybe contact "CAPE" Cuba-Australia Permaculture Exchange they might be able to put you onto some of the earlier pioneers and a few of the locals.
http://www.aaev.net/news/files/page1_bl ... 1009_1.pdf

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'J')ust a small dip in available oil from ~225k a day to ~180k a day was enough to ruin the economy and trigger famine.

[Shaved Monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkeIexh7W0
This is quite a good post Special Period youtube of Cuba
Its from a BBC doco Around the World in 80 Gardens

this one is a bit of a dry doco but quite interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnLvP57U ... re=related

[EnergyUnlimited]

Cuban authorities are reestablishing property markets:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13125104
Funny, but as global economy is collapsing we are also abandoning relics of communism even on last remaining commie controlled lands...
Perhaps we are surrendering to terminal barbarism, as Marks would say...

[Lore]

Well... alright, back to the casinos and fat cigars!

(brief musical interlude)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L6L1NbJuIo