[mos6507]

Here we go guys. Right now the EPA is the last barrier to resetting the clock back to Bush-era policies on energy, and the Tea Party has it in its sights.

So while you guys are busy arguing over methane release in one thread, and finding any and all excuses to pillory the Obama administration in others, our newly elected Republican officials, which are OUR OWN fault as voters, are busy lighting the match for mass-extinction.

I mean, does anyone here believe for a second that the house leadership has any intention of tackling climate issues in any shape or form? And if they don't, how are they going to mitigate peak oil? I really don't see a lot of leeway here. The fact that there are so many conservatives here who plug the republicans is cognitive dissonance, plain and simple. You've distracted yourself by what in the grand scheme of things are side-topics. You know, the welfare state and the tax structure, who's making out better than whom.

How many here chuckled and jived over the fall of the Democrats during the mid-terms? It's so satisfying to see politicians fail. SWEET REVENGE for the recession, right? Well, what are the long-term consequences of bringing in a bunch of brainless creationist deniers? Sure, you'll get your fiscal conservatism, like tax cuts for the wealthy, a 2-year wasteful battle to repeal/defund healthcare, etc..., but what about _real_ doomer issues? What's this mean for energy and climate? Do any of you really care or would you rather amuse yourself with Rush Limbaugh style rhetoric?

And I'm sure Planty will come in here and point to lapses in the Obama administration vis a vis energy. But the bottom line is, Lisa Jackson and the EPA is the last line of defense. If you give a crap about the environment, you have to hold your damn nose and stand by the president, period, just like the US fought with the Soviet Union to defeat the NAZIs, no matter how much you may hate aspects of Obama's policies, on this one, if you really are a doomer, you should be on his side, not the Tea Party.

[Pretorian]

You mean by the president who was breakfasting with eggs of a nearly extinct fish import and consumption of which was banned in US?

[Windmills]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'Y')ou mean by the president who was breakfasting with eggs of a nearly extinct fish import and consumption of which was banned in US?

[jedrider]

You don't need the Tea Party as enemies if you just have the Republican Party. The first Mass Extinction Event is that of reason of policy makers:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/20/107168/ethics-of-climate-change-rise.html

All the rest will surely follow.

We know the wealthy run this country, but can the wealthy have their heads up their asses so far, that they can't see that their selfish indulgences will ruin it for them as well as for us??

[rangerone314]

I believe Lovelock when he says it is too late to stop global warming.

[Loki]

Well, the Dems had control of the House, the Senate, and the White House for all of 2009 and 2010. They managed to achieve SQUAT on the climate change issue, except some half-assed "cap-and-trade" bill in the House that Harry Reid was holding hostage in the Senate until we give illegal aliens amnesty. Now there's no hope of getting even that gutless bill passed.

The Dems are fucking useless on climate change, they've proven it in spades. They have shown that they are willing to compromise our biosphere away if it means they can advance their melanin and gonad politics ("don't ask don't tell" is apparently a far more pressing problem than the meltdown of our global ecosystem).

That said, I voted to reelect my Democratic congressman, Peter Defazio. I didn't even have to hold my nose to do it, I actually quite like him.

As for the Republicans, they may actually hold the answer to climate change mitigation. Run the country's economy into the ground and turn the US into a third world cesspool, forcing the masses to use fewer resources and emit fewer GHGs. It'll probably work a lot better than capntrade.

[Newfie]

Mos is right in that we voted the buggers in. It is a democracy (well, sort of) and there is no great cry from the public for rational policies.

WE are the problem.

That is a greater danger than the methane bomb, because we have no intention of doing anything about it. If it's not too late we won't pay attention. When it is too late we will want to hang the buggers.

So the only thing to DO is to try to figure out how to save your own skin.

Bitching does not help.

[sparky]

.
To give a bit of context into the discussion
Richard Nixon signed the EPA creation
Margaret Thatcher founded the Hadley center , she had some concern on global warming
.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 's')nip....
As for the Republicans, they may actually hold the answer to climate change mitigation. Run the country's economy into the ground and turn the US into a third world cesspool, forcing the masses to use fewer resources and emit fewer GHGs. It'll probably work a lot better than capntrade.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'S')o while you guys are busy arguing over methane release in one thread, and finding any and all excuses to pillory the Obama administration in others, our newly elected Republican officials, which are [b]OUR OWN fault as voters[/b], are busy lighting the match for mass-extinction.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')f you give a crap about the environment, you have to hold your damn nose and stand by the president, period..

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
To give a bit of context into the discussion
Richard Nixon signed the EPA creation
Margaret Thatcher founded the Hadley center , she had some concern on global warming
.

[Nefarious]

I see Moss is still clinging to his chimera that if we put the right people in office, they will usher in changes to turn this sinking ship around. Never going to happen.
Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses.
Newfie has it right " the only thing to DO is to try to figure out how to save your own skin."

[jupiters_release]

Dems and repubs mantra... still.

Voting mantra... still.

Hopefully the coming extinction will solve this PITA smoke n mirrors middle school unicorn skittles democracy.

[Cog]

As a doomer I can enjoy the playacting that politics entails without taking either Democrats and Republicans seriously. Us humans charted a path for destruction as soon as we dug the first coal chunk out of the ground and drilled the first oil well. So elect who you want and enjoy the show but don't believe for a second there will be or can be any mitigation to save us.

[Cloud9]

Hubris, we don't matter. China matters.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/52684

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Yes, anyone whose primary issue is climate change should vote Democrat.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')The Dems are fucking useless on climate change, they've proven it in spades.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')I think Bill McKibben has the right idea. It's not fun to tilt at windmills, in fact you look like an idiot to keep failing, but you've got to keep dusting yourself off and keep pushing. Someone has to do this, rather than just sitting at home cynical with a bag of popcorn.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')
I think Bill McKibben has the right idea. It's not fun to tilt at windmills, in fact you look like an idiot to keep failing, but you've got to keep dusting yourself off and keep pushing. Someone has to do this, rather than just sitting at home cynical with a bag of popcorn.