by Sixstrings » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 00:59:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'S')ix, I agree completely with your point about stupidity and war spending.
On the other hand, when is it enough? We've been fighting the "war on poverty" now since (at least) the 30's, and all we hear from the left is that it's never enough.
Actually that's not correct. The left hasn't been what it used to be ever since Bill Clinton ushered in the era of "New Democrats" (in other words, Republicrats). Clinton and Gingrich teamed up to dismantle the social safety net. It worked for a while until the false McJobs economy tanked and now we have a full on Depression without the safety net of years past.
But I get what you're saying, the concern about providing public assistance is that it encourages generational poverty. This does happen, you can see it all over the South and on Indian reservations. But what's the alternative? Must we really have American citizens sleeping on the streets? Is it really impossible for us to ensure every citizen has adequate, affordable housing?
And on the flipside of the generational poverty debate, why is it that nobody is ever bothered by
generational wealth? Aren't these idle, old-money rich essentially useless? They really don't produce anything of value any more than the generationally poor do. When you don't have to work because of a trust fund or old money, you're just using resources without giving back.
So yeah, I agree that a capitalist society will ALWAYS have poverty. But that doesn't mean we can't do a better job of caring for the poor than what we do. Remember, bad stuff happens to middle class folks too. Things like unexpected disability, or getting laid off during a "jobless recovery."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e've gone beyond being concerned about absolute poverty (like not having food and housing) to decrying relative poverty (Joe feels bad because he can't drive a $200,000 car and watch a $10,000 HDTV. I kid you not - they seriously discuss absolute vs. relative poverty in the Wiki poverty article, (like relative poverty is an evil caused by successful people)).
All a person really needs is food, water, a sense of belonging to a community, and some kind of shelter during harsh weather. Everything else really is relative, poverty is all about psychology. In materialistic terms, tribespeople in the Amazon are dirt poor. But thing is, they don't know they're poor -- they don't have to look at McMansions all around them, and they're not inundated by 24/7 consumer propaganda that says you're worthless in this society if you can't buy stuff. Deny it all you want, but I'm telling you consumerism, shopping, spending money and keeping up with the Joneses is what our society is all about.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ould it be enough if you made everyone have the same amount of money and took away ALL incentive to work? Oh wait. That didn't work so well in Communist countries.