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"War of the Worlds" Steven Spielberg

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"War of the Worlds" Steven Spielberg

Unread postby deadmaker7 » Sat 09 Jul 2005, 20:31:09

Went to see the movie "War of the Worlds". Even though it's obviously not about peak oil, there was one scene that made me think. All the cars were damaged by the invader's EMP attack, but Tom Cruise's charater had a working minivan. He and his kids start driving north. He reaches an area where there is a crowd of people, and they all gather around the van, begging him to take them. Finally, the crowd turns violent and Cruise and his 2 kids are forced from the van at gunpoint. This immediately made me think, Peak Oil Shantytown! 8O Anyone else see this movie yet?
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Unread postby JB2 » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:38:36

* Spoilers Ahead (but go see the movie).


All in all, one of Spielberg's best. Unsurprisingly, he does a great job with the invasion scenes and the special effects; the aliens and the death machines are indeed, very scary. The biggest weakness was, as usual with Spielberg, the irritating and distracting detour into "daddy" issues.

For the purposes of this forum, though, the most interesting part of the film was the depiction of total societal collapse. At one point, life is normal, then none of the cars work; by the next day, thousands of people are roaming the countryside looking for food and shelter and trying to avoid extermination.

Probably not a "realistic" take on how things will fall apart after TSHTF, but very powerful and resonant. I would cite, not only the sequence mentioned by deadmaker7, but the flaming train a little bit later - one of the most disturbing things ever put in a movie. It's also pretty creepy when Cruise is apparently forced to kill Tim Robbins in cold blood.
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Unread postby meekoil » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 19:03:40

LOL!!

(I am a long time lurker who finally registered to repsond to this. )

I just saw War of the Worlds yesterday, and when the scene you reffered to happened, I actually turned to my wife in the theater and whispered "That's what it will be like when we run out of oil".
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Better scene

Unread postby Elfstrom » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 21:46:37

Just before the seizure of the minivan, there is a sequence where the family is looking out the window of the vehicle and you see in the twilight:

- people with carts filled with encyclopedias
- a young person riding a horse

I immediately thought "peak oil survivalists!"
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Unread postby Omaronim » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:14:36

I remember saying to my brother in law, "Look how cheap gas is." Near the minivan scene there is one of those gas station flipbook type signs that had gas at 1.95 or so.
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:39:24

Every scene in War of the Worlds made me think what a crappy movie it was and left me wishing that Dakota Fanning would get zapped by the aliens and just quit shrieking. :twisted:

Mr. Spielberg, you’ve made some very excellent movies. What went wrong? :x
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Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 15:09:26

What made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895!

I thought the movie was great, very suspenseful and sometimes even scary. The alien machines where very realistic and were kind a cross between the book and the 50's version.
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 15:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'W')hat made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895!


I think the original movie was better. Introducing the child characters was a big mistake. And a dysfunctional divorced father was a completely unsympathetic character, especially as played by Cruise.

The machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.

I can just hear them as they’re dying:

“D’oh! I … forgot to wear … cough … the biohazard ... groan … suit when outside the craft. Arrrgh!” (fade to deadness) :roll:
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Unread postby JB2 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:34:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '
')As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.



What about the killer aliens in Signs? Invading a planet covered in water, but water is toxic to them.
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Unread postby Fatherof4 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 20:28:23

I saw the movie over a week ago and I still get chills when I drive by a water tower.

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Unread postby avo » Thu 14 Jul 2005, 03:48:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'T')he machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.


In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.

The book really holds up amazingly well after over 100 years.

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Unread postby Doly » Thu 14 Jul 2005, 06:07:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('avo', '
')In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.


1) I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.

2) If Martian biology is completely different, how can they get attacked by Earth microbes?
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Unread postby avo » Thu 14 Jul 2005, 13:48:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'I') can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.


It's science fiction, remember? The point is that Wells was clever enough to (a) know that the martians should be bright enough to protect themselves, and (b) come up with an explanation of why they didn't: they had no knowledge of the threat. This is, as you note (with 100 years of extra science behind you!) a rather implausible biology, but you can't prove that it's flat-out impossible. This use of not-impossible ideas in service of drama is the very hallmark of good science fiction, and it's why Wells book has never gone out of print.

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