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"Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

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"Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 23:40:46

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I just caught the last half, it's on again at 11 tonight (Monday) and Sunday at 8 PM.
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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 23:46:03

Something to assuage your nerves after a bad day in the markets? :)
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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 09:55:18

Any link for your energy buying neighbors to the South? I don't get CBC. Is CBC the Canadian Beaver Corporation?
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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby hope_full » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 10:07:22

The preview surely is intriguing. I'd also love to know if it'll be shown in the US of A.
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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby some_math_guy » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 10:30:37

Damn, I missed it on Monday night but is it playing again this Sunday, Sept 21st? What time?

It appears to be a UK-made documentary so will it have little about Canada's role in the peaking of oil production?

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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 13:36:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'T')he preview surely is intriguing. I'd also love to know if it'll be shown in the US of A.


Well, they say in the preview that it's about "the myths and conspiracy theories about the world's energy supplies". That's pretty much tells people to ignore the doomsaying before they even watch it.
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Re: "Oil: Apocalypse Now?" Monday Sept. 15 on CBC

Unread postby toujoursdan » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 20:21:10

I watched it and taped it for a few US friends.

It talked about the basics of peak oil theory and then said that while OPEC and some major oil companies say that we have enough oil for 140 years, there are many reasons to believe that they are cooking the books and have far fewer resources than they say. Most chillingly, they talked about how the methods Saudi Arabia are using to extract oil which make it likely that their fields will collapse abruptly.

They talked about some of the economic consequences of peak oil - the end of air travel, car travel, etc., falling standard of living, serious pain in poor developing countries, stock market disaster, global depression, food supply problems. Hirsch (Hirsch Report) and Heinberg (The Party's Over) were presented.

Then they talk about how some redrilling and better extraction of oil fields happening in Texas and in Russia and deep water drilling may give us oil that we didn't have before, but that this will have little impact on the peak. The U.S. will not have energy independence.

Even with technological innovation we have not found new sources of oil on the scale of what we have found so far. That should tell us that it is unlikely there is something out there that will allow us to live as we do now for the next generation. It said that oil companies have budgeted for less and less exploration over the last 10 years because they aren't finding enough to make it worthwhile.

The "market" may not solve all our energy problems. That is an almost "religious" belief, not a fact. Economists aren't physicists and the concept of a finite supply of oil doesn't fit into modern economic orthodoxy. Politicians are afraid of "crying wolf" on peak oil because they will be ridiculed and there are vested interests in keeping the status quo. But they show clips of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and even GWB agree that peak oil is looming.

What about alternatives - electric and natural gas? Well, it takes a long time to transition oil based economy to alternatives - to develop and then, more importantly, to deploy it.

What about other sources of oil - tar sands, shale, coal-to-oil, etc. ? It takes a lot of energy to turn these products into oil. These sources may expand, but can't take the place of what will be lost once the "easy" forms of production disappear.

It briefly said that we need to stop being so wasteful and transition to a sustainable economy now.

That is how it ran. It was a good overview of the peak oil theory. I think it touched on, but underplayed the seriousness of the threat ahead, but they only had an hour.

The CBC had a series on peak oil that you can find on You Tube that went into more depth about what could happen once oil runs out, so I wasn't surprised that they would air this too. It's too bad that being public television, most won't watch it.
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