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LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 11:40:12

Read the following MSM report carefully.

This is like watching a formal dance turn into the Lambada (remember when that seemed like a big deal? Now they "freak", which is code for "emulated sex" on the dance floor) . . .

Pay close attention to the way the word "peak" is introduced. It's not simply stated - "Hirsch believes that we are at or near Peak Oil, which is . . . "

Instead, they backdoor it in, and final say, "<i>the</i> peak that Hirsch and others . . . "

Fascinating psychology here, folks. We're dancing all around it, but they just don't want to say it. Peak Oil. Peak Oil.

Say it with me folks . . .

PEAK OIL!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy the oil crunch may grow worse Casey Christie / The Bakersfield Californian
KERN COUNTY - NOV. 2007 - Two oil pumping units are seen in the distance off Comanche Drive in the early morning hours as the sun comes up over Kern County's eastern mountains, Nov. 2007.
The fear is that all the easy-to-reach crude has been found. These may be 'the good old days,' one expert says.
With gasoline and oil costing once-unthinkable barrels of cash, the notion that things in our petroleum-addicted world soon will get worse -- maybe much, much worse -- is spreading fast.
Fear pushed oil to $131.04 a barrel in New York futures trading Monday, closing $2.16 higher after tumbling more than $16 last week. Supply concerns drove the increase as the market fretted about the potential for Tropical Storm Dolly to harm Gulf of Mexico oil operations.
But behind today's oil mania lies a deeper dread: that the world has found all the easy-to-reach oil, and the daily supply of the essential black goo will fall further and further behind escalating global demand.
"As much as you're uncomfortable with today's oil prices, these are going to be the good old days," oil expert Robert L. Hirsch told a recent Santa Barbara gathering of policymakers and environmentalists. "We're talking about pain here that is unimaginable."
The day-to-day cost of oil reflects a sharply weaker dollar, market speculation and geopolitical events such as unrest in Nigeria and other oil-exporting countries. At the same time, producers are barely slaking the world's energy thirst, and the market increasingly is fixated on the long-term supply picture.
Adding to the angst, several industry heavyweights caution that above-ground issues -- including instability among oil-producing nations and shortages of drilling rigs and engineers -- threaten to impose a "practical peak" on oil output that could be just as wrenching as the geologic peak envisioned by Hirsch and others.

Don't forget to read the comments. The first dim bulb says that there is enough Helium 3 on the dark side of the moon to get us all our own jet packs. Yay!!
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 13:21:18

I walk into the office building's cafe and am hit with this frontpage article on the LA Times "Why the oil crunch may grow worse". Too close for comfort. Makes me realize my obssession with this is not unjustified.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 13:57:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') walk into the office building's cafe and am hit with this frontpage article on the LA Times "Why the oil crunch may grow worse". Too close for comfort. Makes me realize my obssession with this is not unjustified.

Agreed. A blessing and a curse to have the foreknowledge of where we are going.

Like we're on a bus heading for the cliff and the other 59 passengers are drinking champagne and having sex and I'm sitting there looking at the cliff.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Mack12345 » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 14:00:10

yeah I think pretty much every media outlet is now "Subtly" telling people that we have pretty much reached peak oil . Scary part is noone will listen .
People just cant accept it . Its to horrible to accept that your way of life is about to forceably change and that billions of humans worldwide are about to die .
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 14:54:15

Headline of my local rag a few days ago . . .

"What to do until the economy turns around."

Ouch.

Worse than being unprepared for the bad - being unprepared for the bad not getting better.

I hate it when people ask me, after I note how bad things are and how bad they will get, "but when will it get better?"

I always answer - "not in your lifetime."
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 16:05:25

Wow. Colorful comment, that first one. A bit of insight on years to come, too.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 16:11:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'L')ike we're on a bus heading for the cliff and the other 59 passengers are drinking champagne and having sex and I'm sitting there looking at the cliff.

I love those bus rides in which all of the other passengers are not only drinking champagne, but also having sex! :lol:
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby aldente » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 16:32:16

Off topic: Alvin Toffler (for all we know probably RIP since an old fart) wrote about the acceleration in just about everyting and concluded that there is an exponential function involved in the developments observed. (Just as begnign and stupid as Moore's Law which is equally simplistic and on a level of understanding that even an camel in Algeria could follow that logic).

Given that CASHMERE exceeded 1000 posts in about 4 months or so, while us oldtimers (me picking up the PO message in November of 03 during a rare thunderstorm in LA) and after lurking for another year managed to only recently hit the 1000 post mark it certainly is remarkable and proves Alvins point.

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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 17:11:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'O')ff topic: Alvin Toffler (for all we know probably RIP since an old fart) wrote about the acceleration in just about everyting and concluded that there is an exponential function involved in the developments observed. (Just as begnign and stupid as Moore's Law which is equally simplistic and on a level of understanding that even an camel in Algeria could follow that logic).
Given that CASHMERE exceeded 1000 posts in about 4 months or so, while us oldtimers (me picking up the PO message in November of 03 during a rare thunderstorm in LA) and after lurking for another year managed to only recently hit the 1000 post mark it certainly is remarkable and proves Alvins point.

You must be an old timer, because your language of choice seems to be "confused geezer." (wink)

By the way - I've been around a lot longer than March - that was just when the ashes formed again, into the man.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Nano » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 18:33:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'B')y the way - I've been around a lot longer than March - that was just when the ashes formed again, into the man.

Got wife and kids yet? That really makes it interesting.

But I guess, having so much time to post messages, that that isn't the case! By the way, if you want a wife and kids, you should ease-up on the die-off obsession. It makes bad conversation, you know what I mean?
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby americandream » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 19:05:15

What amazes me are the industry dimwits who cheer on the growth in Chindia, especially China. For all the letters after their names, these dopes haven't even the basic wit to figure out that drooling over cornucopian style growth in a 2 billion strong region, let alone the West is tantamount to committing resource suicide.

It almost makes these current day obsessions with smoking, obesity and all the other personal health fads seem almost irrelevant when the ship you're sailing is being scuttled by drunken passengers.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby aldente » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 19:43:47

Cashmere, you still did not answer my question in regards to your statement : many more than half will die.

Why not all?

We are talking about complete anilhilation on this forum, no half ass business.

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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby Nano » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 19:46:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t almost makes these current day obsessions with smoking, obesity and all the other personal health fads seem almost irrelevant when the ship you're sailing is being scuttled by drunken passengers.
Amen to that. I am part-owner of a small bar in Holland, and the government now forbid's me to smoke in it, even when I'm the only one working there, supposedly "for my protection", since I "have a right to a smoke-free workplace".

I don't give a damn about a smoke-free workplace, or else I wouldn't be a smoker and wouldn't own a bar! And if someone wants to work in my bar, I expect them to never mind the smoke!

This is an Orwellian nightmare if ever there was one.

And what the worst of it, is that several of my regular customers, whom I have tended to be kind of family to since they have difficult lives, don't show up anymore because THEY can't smoke inside anymore either. For all I know they could be hanging from the rafters somewhere, but who gives a crap about that, right? They're smokers! They probably deserve whatever they get!

I guess it's my parent's fault for raising me in the spirit that the government is a bunch of people who are watching over our safety and wellbeing, kind of like priests and nuns. After all these years, it is still wrenching for me to realise how sadly mistaken that spirit is, although I don't blame my good parents of course. And besides: everytime I light-up I feel glad and happy to not play along COMPLETELY with this bloody and absurd game.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby aldente » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 20:07:59

Nano, the subject matter is a different one, called liability. Not to defend any business model of the past, my parents business had crashed during the first oil shock in the early 70's here in mainland Europe.

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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby cipi604 » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 22:15:58

Too many clueless commenters on every bit of peak-oil news out there.
Even if you feed them tons of information that doesn't necessarily mean that they will ever understand the implications of the phenomenon.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby JoeW » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 22:41:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'L')ike we're on a bus heading for the cliff and the other 59 passengers are drinking champagne and having sex and I'm sitting there looking at the cliff.

I love those bus rides in which all of the other passengers are not only drinking champagne, but also having sex! :lol:


Yes, where can I get a one-way ticket for this Cliff Bus?
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 23 Jul 2008, 09:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat amazes me are the industry dimwits who cheer on the growth in Chindia, especially China. For all the letters after their names, these dopes haven't even the basic wit to figure out that drooling over cornucopian style growth in a 2 billion strong region, let alone the West is tantamount to committing resource suicide.


Add Angola to that list.

The powers that be around here have realized a way to go over the over-production with lower or no growth from the essentially stagnated economy in western countries: China, India, Angola. Invest now, have ridiculously high yields tomorrow. Don't manage, don't produce: invest. Make money out of money. Who cares if they're ruining their environment? It's far away!

It's this far-impression regarding problems, coupled with short-term obsession that's ultimately going to cause all problems. We always knew physical limits were built into the system. We're just pretending we can ignore them, or stretch them forever. Ain't gonna happen.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby allenwrench » Wed 23 Jul 2008, 10:19:20

Sure, they all but spelled PO out for Bush in one interview. All he could say was drill in Alaska.

But PO is making head way, they mentioned PO on the History channel at 7:30 PM the other day. Before that they had it on at 11PM and 3 AM, so they are making progress with coming clean in prime time.

In 2007 I wrote to 15 of the largest newspapers in the US and a half dozen news magazines and the largest TV stations, 60 minutes, many politicians, etc about Peak Oil. Not one publication or TV broadcaster was interested in discussing PO. NO ONE even responded to my letters

"There is no upside in PO" - that is what they think, since PO can't be fixed. But the upside is in the preparation for the transition to a post carbon society. and the worst we have prepared the more people will die off.
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Re: LA Times - Dancing Around Peak Oil

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 23 Jul 2008, 10:29:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'S')ure, they all but spelled PO out for Bush in one interview. All he could say was drill in Alaska.

But PO is making head way, they mentioned PO on the History channel at 7:30 PM the other day. Before that they had it on at 11PM and 3 AM, so they are making progress with coming clean in prime time.

In 2007 I wrote to 15 of the largest newspapers in the US and a half dozen news magazines and the largest TV stations, 60 minutes, many politicians, etc about Peak Oil. Not one publication or TV broadcaster was interested in discussing PO. NO ONE even responded to my letters

"There is no upside in PO" - that is what they think, since PO can't be fixed. But the upside is in the preparation for the transition to a post carbon society. and the worst we have prepared the more people will die off.


No upside. Good opinion. Hadn't thought about that one. You probably have some point there.

Today there was a mention of Peak Oil on Metro, the free newspaper distributed in subway stations. A member of ASPO Portugal was interviewed concerning a new airport that's being planed, and he mentioned it. It says there, quoted, Peak Oil. Twice. Hurray.
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