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Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 21:33:15

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1686824,00.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not as if nobody predicted this. The true believers in what's called peak oil--a motley crew of survivalists, despisers of capitalism, a few billionaire investors and a lot of perfectly respectable geologists--have long cited the middle to end of this decade as a likely turning point.
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You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby MacG » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 08:06:00

Surprised nobody linked to this. Think you're losing it.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 24,00.html

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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby Grifter » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 08:10:16

Oh for cying out loud

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not as if nobody predicted this. The true believers in what's called peak oil--a motley crew of survivalists, despisers of capitalism, a few billionaire investors and a lot of perfectly respectable geologists--have long cited the middle to end of this decade as a likely turning point.


I mean why throw that in there?

I hate the msm
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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby Bas » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 08:17:39

Nah, we left this one for you to post ; )

But......Excellent article! this is the first time I've read stuff like this in the MSM:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not as if nobody predicted this. The true believers in what's called peak oil--a motley crew of survivalists, despisers of capitalism, a few billionaire investors and a lot of perfectly respectable geologists--have long cited the middle to end of this decade as a likely turning point.




and

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')This isn't quite the same as saying that oil production has peaked and is about to start declining sharply--the view of the true peakists. In "peak lite," as some call it, the big issues are not so much geological as political, technical, financial and even human-resource-related (the world apparently suffers from a dearth of qualified petroleum engineers).
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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby kpeavey » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 08:35:05

already posted
Peak Possibilities

{threads merged by Bas}
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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby MacG » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 10:17:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'a')lready posted
Peak Possibilities

{threads merged by Bas}


Craps. But please edit the title to refer to TIME Magazine. Easy to miss just the wording. On this site at least...

{agreed and done - Bas}
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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 12:47:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', 'O')h for cying out loud

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not as if nobody predicted this. The true believers in what's called peak oil--a motley crew of survivalists, despisers of capitalism, a few billionaire investors and a lot of perfectly respectable geologists--have long cited the middle to end of this decade as a likely turning point.


I mean why throw that in there?

I hate the msm
Oh those darned capitalists! I'm going to go dig my bunker a little deeper! :lol:

But seriously though, I hate MSM too... But at this point they probably still feel it is important to continue discrediting peak oil as best as they can. It is a terrible possibility that professional organizations don't want to admit its happening, just like global warming deniers... Also lets say it was 1928 and there was a "peak stockmarket" group, such a group would probably have gotten described the same way. That's just how the news always is...

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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby Jack » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 13:14:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', 'O')h for cying out loud

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not as if nobody predicted this. The true believers in what's called peak oil--[b]a motley crew of survivalists,


I am not motley. At least, most of the time. 8)
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby roccman » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 13:49:35

One word...

Vindicated

Now maybe my kid's mom will invest in food and preps rather than tits and new trucks.

(I digress)

Won't happen - she will be like the rest...the government will fix this...

Oh well - so it goes...door burning down and "they" say ..."firetruck should be coming any time now."
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 14:24:14

Too funny. :-D Time Magazine must be reading this website.

I mean, where else on earth will you find survivalists, commie sympathizers, billionaire (well, maybe quite that rich, not all of us anyhow) investors, and geologists meeting together cordially discussing in such depth any single topic.
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby Ayoob » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 17:17:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'O')ne word...

Vindicated

Now maybe my kid's mom will invest in food and preps rather than tits and new trucks.

(I digress)

Won't happen - she will be like the rest...the government will fix this...

Oh well - so it goes...door burning down and "they" say ..."firetruck should be coming any time now."


tits > food
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby Narz » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 17:29:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 't')its > food

And if you're a baby (or a cannibal) tits = food (though I doubt silicon ones would provide much sustenance).
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Re: You're losing it guys - TIME Magazine

Unread postby cube » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 17:55:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '.').. It is a terrible possibility that professional organizations don't want to admit its happening, just like global warming deniers... Also lets say it was 1928 and there was a "peak stockmarket" group, such a group would probably have gotten described the same way. That's just how the news always is...
Ever heard of Jesse Livermore? He shorted the stock market on the margin in 1929. His name should be in the hall of fame but strangely enough, a lot of people never heard of him...even people within the "financial" industry.

hmm?
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 18:04:50

This is really a pretty good article, despite the dig at peak oilers. And it's apparently in the dead-tree version of the magazine, not just a "web exclusive."

Tom Whipple predicted that the WSJ article would open the doors for the rest of the MSM to cover peak oil. It appears he was correct.

And yes, it does sound like whoever wrote the article reads some peak oil sites. He uses the term "peak lite," which Robert Rapier uses, at TOD and at his blog, R-Squared.
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 18:30:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Time Magazine', 'A')mong the peakists, war and economic breakdown are favorite themes. They figure that cheap oil is the essential fuel of modern capitalism, which will founder without it. A more hopeful take is that innovation is the essential fuel of modern capitalism and that high oil prices will drive rapid advances in conservation and alternative energy. Either way, the beginning of the end of the oil era may be upon us, well ahead of schedule.


Yes, they definitely read this site. :twisted:

The article is a good if too brief a summary of the status of the peak oil debate as it is today - and I mean this month, as far as this site goes.

However, the context in which they mention the prognosis for capitalism creates a misleading impression. I doubt peak oilers are any more predisposed towards anti-capitalism than any random crowd. And rather than foundering, we will see it become wilder and less favourable than has been our experience. Whatever people's grumblings, reliable energy supplies, political stability and regulation has harnessed trade and made it benign for many in the West. Soon we will be exposed to the full extent of its ups and downs as so many others are. People don't stock dehydrated food because they hate the market, but because they fear disruption of its hitherto favourable function.
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby drgoodword » Thu 22 Nov 2007, 22:06:41

I hope in the next few years that Time's editors will remember this warning that they themselves wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f OPEC's members are not able to boost production in coming years, though, it will be impossible to keep blaming the traders as prices rise.


...instead of finding more and more esoteric ways to spin rising oil prices and energy shortages of all kinds in an effort to avoid facing the grim reality and finality of peak oil.
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Re: Peak Possibilities - Time Magazine peak oil article

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 02:39:46

The fact that this stuff is starting to get into the MSM somehow does not cheer me much. It is likely a sure signal that things have become truly and irreversibly hopeless.

It is like the IPCC, a group originally formed as a delaying tactic to avoid actually dealing with GW back in the 80's, now saying we only have 2-3 years now to get our act together--a sure sign that things have gotten much much worse than anyone is willing to talk about.
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