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CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100 price

Unread postby Quinne » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:00:56

Have you guys read this little gem?

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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:10:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', '"')Four to 8 years from now, we could come down and break $20 a barrel."

Beutel bases his prediction on the fact that oil is historically a cyclical commodity.

I would ask for his job, but I have too much pride.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', '"')We need it all, and we needed it yesterday," said Adam Sieminski, Deutsche Bank's chief energy economist. "There's still a shortage."

At least they gave the last word to someone with a clue.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Benzin » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:40:18

I read it. Can't say I believe it. With huge demand destruction it may be possible to reach $20 a barrel but I doubt it.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Resurrection » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:40:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', '"')Four to 8 years from now, we could come down and break $20 a barrel."

Beutel bases his prediction on the fact that oil is historically a cyclical commodity.

I would ask for his job, but I have too much pride.


Ha, who knows it could well happen just like that. 4 - 8 years the crash has happened so therefor demand for oil will plummet. Then again I guess if the economy has collapsed and money loses value maybe it will be $4000 a barrel?

I shouldn't post on shit I don't fully understand sorry, just kinda thinking aloud :roll:
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby sameu » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:41:22

waht's up with this cyclical nonsense
and that's exactly why economics is not a real science
always running behind the facts making up new 'laws' when someting doesn't seem to fit the current set of laws
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:42:57

A fantasy puff piece for the stock market Plunge Protection Team, trying to prevent inflation by reducing expectations of inflation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If this market can continue going lower without OPEC disrupting it, it's very possible that by 2010 we could be substantially lower than anyone is imagining," said Peter Beutel,


Mmm, yeah baby, OPEC and the multinational oil companies are going to become Santa Claus. They have made all the money they want, now they just want to help the world.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby cat » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:45:41

I think news articles rise and fall like the price of oil, when prices are up the more pestismistic articles come out, when they are down you get a lot more of the optimistic articles. What is funny is it seems that when oil drops a little and people start saying "oil will be at $20 soon," this is when in shoots back up. In reality, unless something changes drastically, oil is headed up with lots of ups and downs on the way.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:51:10

More spoon feeding to keep the masses spending.

"Martha, let's buy that SUV. $20 oil coming, they said so on the TV"

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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:53:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The government-run Energy Information Administration has a $50 target price for crude by 2015.

:lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If this market can continue going lower without OPEC disrupting it, it's very possible that by 2010 we could be substantially lower than anyone is imagining," said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst at the consultancy Cameron Hanover. "Four to 8 years from now, we could come down and break $20 a barrel."

:lol: :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll this means the world's spare production capacity - the difference between what is consumed and what is produced - should grow, relieving some of the fears that have pushed prices so high as of late, such as a disruption in supply from a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or a war with Iran.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')This is an inherently cyclical business," said Edward Morse, chief energy economist at Lehman Brothers, who said he could see oil prices in the $40 to $50 range by 2010. "We're seeing a potential overbuilding of refining capacity."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who needs comedians when we've got economists?
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 15:55:13

He does mention conservation. Maybe he thinks when the mortgage mess finally explodes, along with the dollar and then mass unemployment, we will have the conservation (given that no one will have money/home/food) will cause the price to come down to $20/barrel. Maybe he thinks nuclear war will break out or some plague that will kill off 80% of the population? Maybe he's just a fuckin retard? Maybe he gets paid to tell people what they want to hear?

I'm saving this one... Maybe i can catch up with this guy in 2015.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby WisJim » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 16:13:23

I thought that this link was interesting: link
(A heading from the middle of the story)
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 17:08:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If this market can continue going lower without OPEC disrupting it, it's very possible that by 2010 we could be substantially lower than anyone is imagining," said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst at the consultancy Cameron Hanover. "Four to 8 years from now, we could come down and break $20 a barrel."


I don't know what Beutel is thinking, but he did state the same thing about prices when oil was near $50 last January.

OPEC - excluding Iraq - hasn't budged on total production from February to July. Even the EIA said today that OPEC production increases in the third quarter are doubtful.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 17:40:07

Demand destruction my ass.

$20? That would have to be one hell of a US recession.

Anything the US doesn't buy, the Asians will buy with all the dollars they have. Or US auto makers will start an SUV craze in the EU. And/or the Asian ones as well.

They might as well say "We could see $20 oil in four to eight years if the world suffers an economic cataclysm which makes daily foraging for food your highest priority."
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Ancien_Opus » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 17:49:44

$20/barrel sure enough and that same $20 will likely get you an ounce of gold.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 21:24:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')eutel bases his prediction on the fact that oil is historically a cyclical commodity.

It is a cyclical commodity. Historically. That's why big oilcos have a p/e of 10. :twisted:
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 22:18:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', 'A') fantasy puff piece for the stock market Plunge Protection Team, trying to prevent inflation by reducing expectations of inflation.

I think you're onto something there. Nothing else explains his mad ravings.
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 22:34:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eter Beutel, an oil analyst at the consultancy Cameron Hanover


Dear Cameron Hanover:

Please PM me immediately with an Email address to receive a copy of my resume. Despite being just some guy on the internet, I can clearly make much better predictions than Peter Beutel, and if you are paying him to put out predictions like this:

September 2005 prediction by Peter Beutel

Peter Beutel Quotes

you should be able to afford to pay some guy on the internet even better for occasionally making a prediction that is correct.

Sincerely,
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby KCFrog » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 23:53:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eter Beutel, an oil analyst at the consultancy Cameron Hanover


Dear Cameron Hanover:

Please PM me immediately with an Email address to receive a copy of my resume. Despite being just some guy on the internet, I can clearly make much better predictions than Peter Beutel, and if you are paying him to put out predictions like this:

September 2005 prediction by Peter Beutel

Peter Beutel Quotes

you should be able to afford to pay some guy on the internet even better for occasionally making a prediction that is correct.

Sincerely,
pup55


:lol: :lol:
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby HorneyGeekBoi » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 09:00:40

"They might as well say "We could see $20 oil in four to eight years if the world suffers an economic cataclysm which makes daily foraging for food your highest priority"

Hehe
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Re: CNN today: Why oil won't hit $100

Unread postby Jester » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 12:09:07

"We're seeing a potential overbuilding of refining capacity."

That was the sentence that got my attention...


Now, excuse me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the tight supply been blamed on a lack of refining capacity? So how exactly, when nobody seems interested in building new refineries, do we get an excess of refining capacity within a couple of years?

Unless the oil supply goes down and there's not enough to keep all the refineries operating... :razz:
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