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Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

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Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

Unread postby Bandidoz » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:51:50

Anyone seen this?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 36-4065565

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In this masterpiece, the renowned chemistry Nobel laureate, George A. Olah, discusses in a clear and readily accessible manner the use of methanol as a viable alternative to dangerous and dwindling energy resources. He looks at the pros and cons of our current main energy sources, namely atomic energy, oil and natural gas, hydrogen and alternate energies, and provides ways to overcome certain obstacles. Following an introduction Olah looks at the interrelation of fuels and energy, and at the extent of our non-renewable fossil fuel resources. Despite the diminishing resources and global warming, the author covers the continuing need for hydrocarbons and their products, while balancing the envisioned hydrogen economy against its shortcomings. The main section then focuses on the methanol economy, including converting atmospheric carbon dioxide into safe liquid methanol to for fuel (and fuel cells) and as a raw material for hydrocarbons. The whole is rounded off with a glimpse into the future. This is a forward-looking and inspiring work regarding the major challenges of future energy and environmental problems.
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Re: Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 18:57:38

Basic organic chemistry teaches us that with enough energy input you can reverse combustion and use CO2, H2O and energy to synthesize methane, ammonia, LOX or any more complex hydrocarbon as an energy storage medium. We have known for about a century how to combine water, energy and carbon to make anything organic like Pentane, Heptane and Octane (synthetic gasoline).

The problem as always is, where do we get the energy to preform the reaction(s)? Gasoline as we use it today is eons old stored solar energy, under chemical synthesis we can make our own gasoline, but it will be stored energy supply X, whatever we use to make it.

We will always have gas, but I promise you, it won't be nearly as cheap as what we had in 1970.

Where do we get the energy to run the synthesizer equipment? It will have to be wind, solar or nuclear because we won't have anything else to spare in the future.
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Re: Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

Unread postby ThunderChunky » Wed 03 May 2006, 02:30:29

We'll have coal for a while after oil runs low.

Where the review of this book?

Is peak oil and energy crisis or a liquid fuel crisis?
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Re: Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

Unread postby Doly » Wed 03 May 2006, 07:20:39

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')Is peak oil an energy crisis or a liquid fuel crisis?


Peak oil, by itself, would be only a liquid fuel crisis. But it happens at the same time as peak gas (not surprising, as both come from the same fields), and the combination certainly counts as an energy crisis.
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Re: Beyond Oil And Gas, The Methanol Economy - Olah et al

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 03 May 2006, 07:27:43

Not to mention that petroleum supplies 40% of our energy needs and few other energies can replace losses that will occur when oil peaks. Once NG peaks, energy will drop off even more due to NG's much higher depletion rate. We could be looking at losing 15-20% of our energy within 10 years after peak oil, right when we need 15-20% more energy.
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