DUNE land of sand

by **Badger** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:13:42

If your a Peak Oiler you are a Freman

A great series of books to read to get your mind thinking and have some fun for change of pace with the subject of resource depletion etc

The spice must flow...

Freman = Peak Oilers

House Corrino = USA

Landsrad = UN

CHOAM = corporations and banks

The Spacing Guild = airlines

by **Specop_007** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:28:56

So whos the Navigators?

by **Schweinshaxe** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Badger', 'I')f your a Peak Oiler you are a Freman

A great series of books to read to get your mind thinking and have some fun for change of pace with the subject of resource depletion etc

The spice must flow

by **EnergySpin** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:34:00

Too bad there was a die-off within the Fremen.
When they escaped from the planet they were held slaves and crushed on Arrakeen ... the ones that did not adapt and continued their wasteful living died and the rest became the Fremen (story told in the prequels by Frank Herbert's son)
Yes ... To Frank Herbert a visionary.
It is interesting ... the Father Kynes died before he saw the terraforming of Dune .... I do hope that Lovelock can see his dream come true (i.e. us taking better care of this litl blue sphere in the Milky Way).
Gaia = Arrakis+sand worms+Fremen
So .....
Time to become the stewarts of this planet

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The following from an article written by The Imperial Planetologist (sorry Lovelock)
Quote:
The prospects are grim, and even if we act successfully in amelioration, there will still be hard times, as in war, that will stretch our grandchildren to the limit. We are tough and it would take more than the climate catastrophe to eliminate all breeding pairs of humans; what is at risk is civilisation. As individual animals we are not so special, and in some ways are like a planetary disease, but through civilisation we redeem ourselves and become a precious asset for the Earth; not least because through our eyes the Earth has seen herself in all her glory.

Original Quotes from Dune
Pardot Kynes:
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')An individual takes on significance only in his relationship to society as a whole.....
Survival demands vigor and fitness, and an understanding of limitations. You must learn what your world asks of you, what it needs of you. Each organism plays its part in keeping the ecosystem operational. Each has its niche.
Life improves the capacity of the environment to sustain life. Life makes needed nutrients more readily available. It binds more energy into the system through the tremendous chemical interplay from organism to organism.

by **EnergySpin** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:37:24

Let's see ....
Arrakis = Earth
Spice = Oil
CHOAM = WTO
Harkonenns = Big Oil
Planetologist Kynes = James Lovelock
Space Guild = Airlines Very Happy
Thufir Hawat = Mike Ruppert Very Happy
Bene Tleilax = Biofuel producers
Fremen = Peak Oilers
Water rich offworlders = Sheeple Very Happy
Landsrad = UN
Major and Minor Houses = Nations
DeathStills = Thermal Depolymerization

Let's see ....
Leto Atreides = ?
Duncan Idaho = ?
Bene Gesserit = ?
Sand Worms = ?

And may I ask the unthinkable ...
Who is Saddam IV about to lose the empire?
I'm not gonna say it in public :-D

by **Badger** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:42:08

a survival kit of items = Fremkit

Control the coinage and the courts- let the rabble have the rest thus the Padishah Emperor advises you and he tells you "If you want profits you must rule" There is truth in these words but I ask myself: "Who are the rabble and who are the ruled? "

Maud'Dids secret message to the Landsrad from Arrakis also known as DUNE from Arrakis Awakening by the princess Irulan

by **EnergySpin** » Sat 23 Jul 2005, 23:48:01

The Planet did defeat the Harkonnens and the Imperial Sardaukar ...
Natural Disasters = Corriolis wind

Pardot Kynes (Global Warming comes into mind)
For long lifetimes marked by the hulks of ruined planets, man was a geological and ecological force without knowing it, with little awareness of his own strength.
It is ... a hopeful message. We did quite a mess of this habitat, lets start the cleaning up now before Mama Gaia gets really pissed with us

by **Badger** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:00:27

I suspect mama gaia is already pissed off and is going to be teaching many the meaning of "spannungsbogen"

The Freman were supreme in that quality the ancients called "spannungsbogen"- which is the self imposed delay between desire for a thing and that act of reaching out to grasp that thing

from The Wisdom of Maud'Dib

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:13:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')e Freman were supreme in that quality the ancients called "spannungsbogen"- which is the self imposed delay between desire for a thing and that act of reaching out to grasp that thing

by **Badger** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:31:05

yep on a personal note I have been powering down for five years

havnt had a car for five years and live lean got a fremkit and a sietch of other like minded individuals together

if i want to travel I summon the worm LMAO some one elses car or just pick up the thumper and rent one for the day its easy everything else is on foot or public sandworm eg a bus or train.

Over here the sand blows; over there sand blows.
Over there a rich man waits; over here I wait.
The Voice of Shai Hulud

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:32:19

More analogies:
Bene Gesserit = Secret Services
Rotating Rule over Arrakis = Contracts over oil fields
And the distinction between Major and Minor Houses in the book is exactly the same as in our world. Family Atomics = Nukes
Face Dancers = covert agents
Pardot Kynes = a combination of John Maynard Kynes and James Lovelock
Ghom Zabar = Day that someone was exposed to the PO truth.
Come on people ... no one has found the PO Paul Atreides.

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:41:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Production growth and income growth must not get out of step in my Empire. That is the substance of my command. There are to be no balance-of-payment difficulties between the different spheres of influence. And the reason for this is simply because I command it. I want to emphasize my authority in this area. I am the supreme energy-eater of this domain, and will remain so, alive or dead. My government is the economy.
Order in Council
The Emperor Paul Muad'Dib
Dune Messiah

by **Badger** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:43:33

Come on people ... no one has found the PO Paul Atreides.[/quote]

that is a tricky one perhaps where all fragments of Paul Atredies as well as Freman after all he did become a Freman even though he was not born on Arrakis also known as Dune

:-D

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:48:11

I'm still waiting for someone to identify Paddisah Shadam IV .... this should not be difficult. Who grants oil fiefdom rights (sorry exploitation rights) in Earth-Arrakis? :wink:

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 00:51:50

Check this out ...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Because of the one-pointed Time awareness in which the conventional mind remains immersed, humans tend to think of everything in a sequential, word-oriented framework. This mental trap produces very short-term concepts of effectiveness and consequences, a condition of constant, unplanned response to crises.
The Arrakis Workbook
Liet-Kynes
Children of Dune

by **Badger** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 01:13:48

Think of it as plastic memory ,this force within you which trends you and your fellows toward tribal forms. This plastic memory seeks to return to its ancient shape, the tribal society. It is all around - the feudatory, the diocese, the corporation, the platoon, the sports club, the dance troupe, the rebel cell, the planning council, the prayer group...each with its master and servants its hosts and parasites. And the swarms of alienating devices(including these very words!) tend eventually to be enlisted in the argument for a return to "those better times" I despair of teaching you other ways. You have square thoughts which resist circles

Lord Leto- The Stolen Journals

Yep Frank Herbet was a visionary way ahead of the curve

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 01:25:49

If we view Dune as an allegory to the current situation ....
the Harkonnens will be defeated .... Shaddam IV and the Sardaukar will relinquish control of the Spice to Paul Mu'adibb and the Fremen and terraforming will proceed.
This is actually an optimistic post-PO scenario .... but too many of the Harkonnens will end up in the deathstills. If I recall correctly the planet unleashes the power of the Corriolis wind prior to the final battle.
The Fremen take control of the planet and carry out Kynes dream under Paul Atreides command (that takes way too many books in the original series). And they leave for the stars .......
Hehe .... I hope it works out this way

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Sand trout = terrestrial and marine bacteria and photosynthetic organisms.
Maintain the dry (wet) nature of Dune(Earth)

by **Badger** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 01:40:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we view Dune as an allegory to the current situation ....
the Harkonnens will be defeated .... Shaddam IV and the Sardaukar will relinquish control of the Spice to Paul

by **EnergySpin** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 01:56:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Badger', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we view Dune as an allegory to the current situation ....
the Harkonnens will be defeated .... Shaddam IV and the Sardaukar will relinquish control of the Spice to Paul

by **MicroHydro** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 01:59:24

Do not flame me or PM me about this. I just push the ignore button on flamers. Instead practice the litany against rage:

I must not rage
Rage is the mind-killer.
Rage is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my rage.
I will permit it to pass
Over me and through me.
And when it has gone past
I will turn the inner eye
To see its path.
Where the rage has gone
There will be nothing.
Only I will remain....

Paul Atredies is Osama Bin Laden

As outrageous as it might seem at first glance, in your heart, you know it is true.

Recall that the terrorist Paul Atredies led religious fundamentalists on a jihad against the rich soft fat infidel offworlders that were taking spice (oil) from Fremen (Arab) land. Osama is a hero and inspirational figure to hundreds of millions of people, he is larger than life, and has defied the best efforts of the empire to crush him.

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