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Why our friends think we are full of crap

Unread postby Pfish » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 01:26:53

It dawned on me why the general populace doesn’t buy into PO. Gas has gotten easier to purchae and consume, not more difficult.

Back in the 60’s we used to have “Service Stations” where a team of men in white coats and ties would come out and check your tires, fill your tank in a professional manner.

Along come the 70’s where we take away the ties and hire teenagers to fill tanks and clean your windows (that would be me.)

The next 20-some-odd years see the dismissal of the work force and self serve pumps.

Next comes the advent of “pay at the pump.” Making it easier to get gas and be on your way with a diet Pepsi and a can of dip.

Is it any wonder our friends think we are full of shit?
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Unread postby RG73 » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 01:53:38

Doesn't it actually suggest that we're poorer since we can no longer afford the luxury of having a team of people service and check our car every time we pull into a station? Doesn't it suggest that we're poorer since we don't have the time to wait at a station while people check our air pressure, check the oil, etc?
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Unread postby savethehumans » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 01:57:52

Sure it suggests that, RG73--but the sheeple don't see it that way! :roll:
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Unread postby profgoose » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 02:01:43

this is actually a really good point...but I do wonder, the two or three times in the past 10 years I have stumbled onto a full-service gas station, I always felt compelled to pump it myself.

So, was it really a luxury that we're missing out on, or the freedom to pump our own gas? :roll:
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Unread postby savethehumans » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 02:28:36

Back when I had a car, I LIKED pumping my own gas. Then I could be the one to determine when to stop and start!

But the point made is good. Fewer employees mean not using so much of your profit on paychecks! :evil:
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Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 02:50:16

Pfish you have a Ppoint. It was a "big deal" to buy gas way-back-when, and now it's become such a small deal that people don't think much more about it than unrolling a paper towel off of the rack at home, or getting some chips out of the vending machine at work.
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Unread postby linlithgowoil » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 04:42:59

its just people getting used to something thats always been there. tv has always been there for most people, so they expect it to always be there in future.

if petrol had only been available for the last 2 years, people might not be surprised to see it disappear tomorrow. but its been around for more than a century, so generations have grown up with it and an expectation of ever present petrol has been built up.

its like anything really, once its there and you get used to it, you take it for granted.
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Unread postby Doly » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 05:13:19

What's even worse, people think they are entitled to the things they are used to.
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Unread postby killJOY » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 07:06:05

Our little town of 10,000 here in the Northeast US is getting a new gas station!

Our historic corner was decimated in the 50s to make way for Texaco and Mobil.

Now a house down the road is being removed, and right next to a bit of hayfield a HUGE gas station/ convenience store is going in.

It was going to have 12 pumping stations, one of the largest in the state. But the people protested and now they've compromised....they've whittled it down to 8 stations.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Unread postby Starvid » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 07:17:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', 'D')oesn't it actually suggest that we're poorer since we can no longer afford the luxury of having a team of people service and check our car every time we pull into a station? Doesn't it suggest that we're poorer since we don't have the time to wait at a station while people check our air pressure, check the oil, etc?

No, it suggest wages have been rising faster than oil price.
Then: cheap labor, expensive oil.
Now: expensive labor, cheap oil (relatively speaking, since todays "cheap" oil is more expenisve than the "expensive" oil of yesterday. What I am saying is that wages have been rising faster than the oil price.)
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Unread postby dinopello » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 08:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', 'D')oesn't it actually suggest that we're poorer since we can no longer afford the luxury of having a team of people service and check our car every time we pull into a station? Doesn't it suggest that we're poorer since we don't have the time to wait at a station while people check our air pressure, check the oil, etc?

No, it suggest wages have been rising faster than oil price.
Then: cheap labor, expensive oil.
Now: expensive labor, cheap oil (relatively speaking, since todays "cheap" oil is more expenisve than the "expensive" oil of yesterday. What I am saying is that wages have been rising faster than the oil price.)


Seems to be the way a lot of things have gone, becoming more 'convienent' but somehow less civilized. Certainly labor costs have a lot to do with it. From eating at restaurants, to banking to shopping etc there has been less of an emphasis on service. Even small town department stores used to have a guy to push the elevator buttons for you. Not saying I would miss that, but it indicates the way things have changed.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 08:21:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', 'D')oesn't it actually suggest that we're poorer since we can no longer afford the luxury of having a team of people service and check our car every time we pull into a station? Doesn't it suggest that we're poorer since we don't have the time to wait at a station while people check our air pressure, check the oil, etc?

No, it suggest wages have been rising faster than oil price.
Then: cheap labor, expensive oil.
Now: expensive labor, cheap oil (relatively speaking, since todays "cheap" oil is more expenisve than the "expensive" oil of yesterday. What I am saying is that wages have been rising faster than the oil price.)

Is the main thing that drives up the cost of labor is the cost of living?

Then: expensive oil but no reliance on gasoline to live so the working class didn't consume as much.

Now: expensive oil, expensive manditory use of it, working class has to pay and pay, expensive labor.
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Unread postby Daculling » Tue 28 Jun 2005, 09:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', 'D')oesn't it actually suggest that we're poorer since we can no longer afford the luxury of having a team of people service and check our car every time we pull into a station? Doesn't it suggest that we're poorer since we don't have the time to wait at a station while people check our air pressure, check the oil, etc?


Well, our automobiles today do not require the rigorous maint. they once did. Tires are an order of magnatude more reliable now. Engine seals don't leak oil and the engines normally don't "use" oil anymore. I was not alive back in the 50's but I would imagine the pumps were more difficult to operate. Years ago I don't think most women would touch a dirty gas pump, or gentlemen for that matter. Just my thoughs.
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