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Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 18 May 2008, 22:43:18

It is my contention that as the nations and peoples of the globe re-evaluate their relative situations in light of a renewed perception of scarcity that we would see a rise in xenophobia and general intolerance of those who are different. The first victim of peak oil will be globalization, followed quickly by the value we place on diversity.

So I was interested as I was scrolling through the paper and I came to the story, Anti-Imigrant Violence Spreads in South Africa $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')OHANNESBURG — Violence against immigrants, like some windswept fire, spread across one neighborhood after another here in one of South Africa’s main cities this weekend, and the police said the mayhem left at least 12 people dead — beaten by mobs, shot, stabbed or burned alive.
A policeman used a fire extinguisher to try to save a man who had been set on fire by a mob during anti-immigrant clashes.
Thousands of panicked foreigners — many of them Zimbabweans who have fled their own country’s economic collapse — have now deserted their ramshackle dwellings and tin-walled squatter hovels to take refuge in churches and police stations.
This latest outbreak of xenophobia began a week ago in the historic township of Alexandra and has since spread to other areas in and around Johannesburg, including Cleveland, Diepsloot, Hilbrow, Tembisa, Primrose, Ivory Park and Thokoza.
A policeman using a fire extinguisher on a man set afire by a mob Photo

People do not generally light one another on fire when they are feeling secure in their own homes and livelihood. I am starting this thread for anyone to post other observations of this ilk.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 19 May 2008, 04:06:19

Right here in good ol' Canada xenophobia is on the rise. There have been a number of assaults against Asian fishermen.

Asian tourists who come here to fish don't realize apparently that they need to have fishing licences or that there is a limit to what you can catch and it has sparked a number of incidents now.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby dorlomin » Mon 19 May 2008, 10:37:11

The Soweto Necklace is an old favourite down there. They put a tyre round your neck and fill it with a bit of petrol to give it a kick start then light it.

Normaly the baying mob stones you at the same time. A favourite punishment for collaberators with the apratheid regime.

In the UK the current hate group is about as blond haired and blue eyed you could imagine, its the Polish immigrants.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 19 May 2008, 12:03:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'I')n the UK the current hate group is about as blond haired and blue eyed you could imagine, its the Polish immigrants.
When i visited London for the first time in 2000 my impression was that its somekinda African capital, Timbuktu or whatever. Objectionable text deleted. Anyway, there is not much to do in UK now and soon enough it will be just a bad place to be at, work-wise, so they will go back on their own.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby xarkz » Mon 19 May 2008, 18:27:42

then there is Russia but there has been increasing numbers of neo nazis that are attacking immigrants.

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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby Kylon » Mon 19 May 2008, 19:59:24

I guess all those foreign tax havens and foreign investments will go up in smoke. If people get less tolerant of globalization, they'll view foreign owned companies as "invaders".

This means they'll push for their government to nationalize all the stuff that belongs to foreigners. This means that all those rich who made their living by exporting U.S industry, will be left with nothing.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby jlw61 » Wed 21 May 2008, 14:45:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') The Guardian, May 21, 2008
... The latest trouble began last week after a Roma woman had allegedly attempted to abduct a child near the Roma camp in the rundown district of Ponticelli. A mob attacked the camp, driving away 1,000 Gypsies living in and around railway arches. According to witnesses, members of the local Camorra family encouraged local people to join in the mayhem. Some local commentators have argued that the Camorra was merely implementing a more forceful version of the roundup of petty foreign criminals ordered by the government. ...

UN Observer

At the Indigenous Peoples Border Summit of the Americas II in October, Wilson said, "No one should die for want of a drink of water." Wilson, who puts out water for migrants, stands next to many of his water jugs which were slashed by those who oppose his effort.

Today's Zaman, May 19, 2008
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Xenophobia across Europe threatens Turks, Turkey’s EU accession process

The rise of the right strengthens racist parties in Europe because rightist parties keep toughening their remarks in order to win votes normally cast for racist parties. France’s Sarkozy came to power with a strong rightist tone in his speeches similar to that of the racist Jean-Marie Le Pen.
The right has been on the rise in Europe. The rise of the right strengthens racist parties because rightist parties toughen their remarks, thereby becoming closer to racist parties, in order to win votes normally cast for the latter. The most prominent victims of this tough rhetoric are minorities, including Turks and naturalized European citizens, as well as Turkey's likely EU membership.

The Royal Gazette, May 21, 2008

But Mr. Soares, a partner at Bermuda employment services firm Expertise, added that other consequences of term limits were that "expats are feeling less valued and xenophobia is on the rise", according to a news story on the Cayman Net News website.


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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby americandream » Wed 21 May 2008, 22:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'I')n the UK the current hate group is about as blond haired and blue eyed you could imagine, its the Polish immigrants.


When i visited London for the first time in 2000 my impression was that its somekinda African capital, Timbuktu or whatever. Objectionable text deleted.
Anyway, there is not much to do in UK now and soon enough it will be just a bad place to be at, work-wise, so they will go back on their own.

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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby Jack » Wed 21 May 2008, 23:26:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')he first victim of peak oil will be globalization, followed quickly by the value we place on diversity.
I concur with your analysis.

I delight in the conclusion. Bring it on. 8)
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 22 May 2008, 03:36:28

[quote="americandream"]Objectionable text deleted.quote]And your point is...? If you have one of course
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby Barbara » Thu 22 May 2008, 06:19:37

Gypsies hunt here in Italy. People light fire to their camps. Police sit and do nothing.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 22 May 2008, 09:11:25

I will alter the title since I think "protectionism" is just another side of xenophobia. While the latter is mostly an emotional response, there is nothing that says that our distrust of foreigners is not or will not be well founded.

NYT: France warns about protectionism from a falling dollar

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ARIS — France’s finance minister on Wednesday urged central bankers to reduce the “misalignment” in the world’s major currencies, warning that a low American dollar was feeding an increasing trend toward protectionism in the United States and elsewhere.

France’s finance minister, Christine Lagarde, said the weak United States dollar was a central cause of high oil prices.

The minister, Christine Lagarde, said the dollar’s decline was a central cause for the rising cost of oil, which is priced in American dollars. On Wednesday, the price of a barrel of crude oil settled at another record, $133.17.
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby Kingcoal » Thu 22 May 2008, 11:57:36

At the end of the day, it's just all about resources. Modern liberalism needs lots of money and resources - that's the problem with it. The law of the jungle is generally the cheapest paradigm. Having power and influence is good, not having it is bad. The law of the jungle says that your power and influence have to be backed up by something tangilbe, not just something etherial like law or right. In the jungle, might makes right, but you have to be careful as you can be ganged up on.

In jungle law, ownership must be backed up by the power to defend. If you claim soverenty over something, you must have the means and the will to defend those claims. Eventually, the world will tire of third world nations, liberals, environmentalists, etc, blocking access to much needed resources. The inevitable result will be resource wars and the strong and powerful will prevail.
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby Prince » Thu 22 May 2008, 12:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'I')t is my contention that as the nations and peoples of the globe re-evaluate their relative situations in light of a renewed perception of scarcity that we would see a rise in xenophobia and general intolerance of those who are different. The first victim of peak oil will be globalization, followed quickly by the value we place on diversity.


If you look only at the USA, you'll notice that we've had passive intolerance for over 30 years now. We don't like to think of that way, but it's true. However, instead of fighting via radicalism or violence, people have fought with their feet. In other words, they've moved. So-called xenophobia has been cleverly masked by a massive exodus of people living in the suburbs. They use phrases like "safe neighborhoods" and "good schools" to mask the crime and division seen just 10 miles away in the inner-city. I love asking hardcore, so-called anti-racist, liberals why they don't live in the city, and their answers almost always mention crime and demographics in some form.

Pick any major city and look at the demographics. Although there are a few exceptions, in general it is no coincidence that the highest crime rates occur in the city. Energy has been very cheap from 1970 to 2005, so the migration of whites to the suburbs was never an issue of cost or resources. However, the cost of energy has grown substantially in the 3 years since, and in the future we face really tough choices that haven't been portrayed since the 1950s. Right now gas prices are merely an inconvenience for most. Nobody is going without--yet. They are just paying more right now for the privilege. What will happen when the upper middle class can't get the fuel to drive their precious cars? There will be a time in the next 5 years where fuel will simply be in short supply. Same goes with food. What happens when these same Americans can't get their core food items? You'll see civil unrest unlike anything we've seen in modern history. If you need a more micro and recent example, go back to Hurricane Rita in 2005. The city of Houston was evacuated and people were pulling guns and assaulting each other just because they couldn't get gasoline for their car. This is reality.

Kingcoal said it best--modern liberalism needs lots of money and resources, and therein lies the problem. People have no problems throwing the "diversity" word around, so long as they can improve, or at least maintain their quality of life. These times are ending. Imagine what will happen if Obama gets the presidency and the USA collapses like many of us believe it will, regardless of who is President. Children will notice that they can't get their precious iPods, PS3s, and Happy Meals and all they'll notice is that "that black man is ruining our life". Forget children... I'm sure a good portion of Americans will blindly think the same. I believe this is the reality that we face in the years ahead.
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Re: Global News of Rising Xenophobia

Unread postby energycity » Thu 22 May 2008, 13:19:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')nyway, there is not much to do in UK now and soon enough it will be just a bad place to be at, work-wise, so they will go back on their own.
Not much to do? Are you talking about the unemployment rate? The UK's rate is about the same as that of America, Canada, Russia and Australia and about 2 points less than the EU average. At present if you have any sort of base level of skills (and especially if you are prepared to move) there is plenty of work. For how long though .... ?
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 22 May 2008, 13:34:04

I think a good thing about civilization is that it has a high level of tolerance for the forces that break it down. Whether it can handle peak oil is a good question. One thing is for sure, those that do manage to keep civilization intact where they are post peak will be the ones that come out on top.

Right now I reckon we are seeing how the vast majority of the populace in any civilization don't really understand what it takes to keep civilization going. It is only the benefits that civilization conveys, and not the thinking man's part (the philosophy) that keeps them agreeing with the system. Remove the benefits or scale them down and people begin to fear what they don't understand. It shows up first in the fear of the outsider because they are the ones, conceivably, that are messing the system up. It doesn't matter if the less philosophical are right or not, they are going to act according to their understanding. The scary thing is that this type of thinking, when it doesn't work, is not often met with re-thinking but instead with 'more of the same will fix this' thinking.
When it comes down to it, the people will always shout, "Free Barabbas." They love Barabbas. He's one of them. He has the same dreams. He does what they wish they could do. That other guy is more removed, more inscrutable. He makes them think. "Crucify him."
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby hironegro » Thu 22 May 2008, 14:16:40

big shock that euros are bigots!!!:roll: They've never been noble like there American counter-parts.
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby energycity » Thu 22 May 2008, 17:59:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'b')ig shock that euros are bigots!!!:roll: They've never been noble like there American counter-parts.
If I want to practice my bigotry I must choose between a black umbrellor or a cricket bat. Americans have guns! :shock:
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 22 May 2008, 18:54:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('energycity', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'b')ig shock that euros are bigots!!!:roll: They've never been noble like there American counter-parts.
If I want to practice my bigotry I must choose between a black umbrellor or a cricket bat.Americans have guns! :shock:
Actually I hear that you Brits prefer knives
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Re: Rising Xenophobia, Protectionism and Regionalism

Unread postby energycity » Fri 23 May 2008, 07:54:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually I hear that you Brits prefer knives
Good point (no pun intended!).Inner city gangs are going to be a real menace in a broken peak oil world. Outside our big towns and cities we’ll just have the usual lager drinking "chavs" to contend with (I can’t see them lasting long some how).
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