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Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 13:26:55

Why keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby roccman » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 13:33:34

1) I have two kids..

2) eating the food I grow is fun

3) knowing the "secrets" of man (thanks Golem) is fun

4) I am not ready to die.

5) posting doom is sport
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 13:57:12

I am not doomed. Neither is any other individual foreordained to premature destruction.

I am a good test taker and the test of my life is coming up. I am preparing for the kind of real life essay questions that are coming my way. I read, I posit, I post, I reflect, I respond.

The time is coming when I will need to observe, posit, work, reflect, test, observe and work. I see this as a study group. We are not working on a team project but will each take the test in our own times and places and in our own communities. Here we quiz one another, attempt to anticipate the problems the professor (real world depletion) will throw our way.

There are no guarentees, but those who study hard stack the odds in their favor.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 17:36:12

Thanks everyone, I just get pulled down by the doom sometimes. :oops:
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 18:09:01

Yes, I went into working on horror movies early in my career, because they had always scared me so much as a kid. So I know what you're saying.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby MacG » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 18:54:02

Give up? Well, that's not the way things are done in my neck of the woods. Why give up? Death will come one day, that's for sure, but why give up in advance? Sounds rather stupid if you ask me. Nah, let's do like the terminally ill cancer patients and cling on to life to the bitter end.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Pops » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 19:39:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?

Let’s see.

Because not doing so is hard?

Doing otherwise makes one appear different from their peers?

One needs to make an effort to investigate for themselves the many reasons to make an individual effort?


Or perhaps this entire site is simply another talk?
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby SpringCreekFarm » Sat 24 Nov 2007, 20:15:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'G')ive up? Well, that's not the way things are done in my neck of the woods. Why give up? Death will come one day, that's for sure, but why give up in advance? Sounds rather stupid if you ask me. Nah, let's do like the terminally ill cancer patients and cling on to life to the bitter end.


Wow man! Well put!

I was going to post but I'll go with what Mac said and I'll add....

Some days I can read the doom and other days I just don't feel like it. I get that we are in for a shitty future. Part of living for today is to not dwell on it too much for it muddies the water in what would be me enjoying my life.

I really hate to offend anyone but if you think about it....

Doom is for losers as in "Oh what's the use, wer're doomed anyway" kind of thinking.

Not me.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Kristen » Sun 25 Nov 2007, 04:51:45

have you ever thought that maybe some people on here are sick and tired of the society we live in? Peak Oil gives hope that the culture we live in will end.

Also life is so routine, why not stir the pot up a bit. People are so use to comfort and instant everything and it is sickening to some. I am like a hill myself sometimes up and sometimes down. Just wanted to offer a different persepctive.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby halcyon » Sun 25 Nov 2007, 07:29:43

Because there is a region of the brain that is responsible for unrealistic optimism.

In a healthy individual that part of the brain works, if the person wants or not, regardless of education.

The situation may be dire to some, according to some statistics, but the only reasonable response from the point of view of life (today) is to stay optimistic.

Optimism is not a rational choice, but an evolutionary biological emotional response.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 25 Nov 2007, 15:25:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'h')ave you ever thought that maybe some people on here are sick and tired of the society we live in? Peak Oil gives hope that the culture we live in will end.

Also life is so routine, why not stir the pot up a bit. People are so use to comfort and instant everything and it is sickening to some. I am like a hill myself sometimes up and sometimes down. Just wanted to offer a different persepctive.



If they are sick and tired of the way we live, why don't they try to live another way? That's what I'm doing. :)


If people are sickened by comfort, why don't they walk away from it?
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 25 Nov 2007, 15:27:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', '
')Optimism is not a rational choice, but an evolutionary biological emotional response.


I would be the last person to claim to be rational! 8O
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Tue 27 Nov 2007, 22:29:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?


Yes, it is that much fun. Besides, we're all gonna die someday anyways. Why rush it?
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Wed 28 Nov 2007, 00:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?


We aren't doomed and it isn't hopeless. We just need to accept some facts and make some hard choices. I envision a future of quality and not quanity.

The move back to sustainability will be good for us. You know the potential of permaculture living.

Not everyone will able to partake of it, though. In our insistence to breed without restraint, we squandered the opportunity to have a small healthy population, relatively free of disease and suffering with a high quality of life—almost forever.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 28 Nov 2007, 08:30:35

If you actually look, theres' hardly anyone on here who believes they will be one who will cop it.

We're all hard wired to compete, and when it comes to it, do anything to survive.

Thats' why war is guarenteed
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 28 Nov 2007, 15:34:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'I')f you actually look, theres' hardly anyone on here who believes they will be one who will cop it.


Besides me, you mean.


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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby POAlex » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 00:12:56

You know why people have no hope? You know why this website is filled with people who are cheering on the doom of planet earth as we know it?

They've been told God is a myth.

They've been told that death is the end.

They've been told Jesus Christ is not real.

They've been told the Bible is not important.

They've been told to eat and be merry for tomorrow they die.

They've been told mother earth is more important than their eternal soul.

They've been told they are evolved monkeys so they should go ahead and behave like one.

You wonder why people have no hope and are giving up.

Its heartbreaking.
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby Johnvancouver » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 01:17:55

I don’t really feel doomed or hopeless. People who mistaken our wasteful and ignorant way of life as the only way to live are more likely to feel doomed and hopeless. To some of us, PO is also an opportunity to bring back the simpler way of life and reestablish a balance between man and nature. I think we can manage the transition if we learn to live on less and not trying to grab what we can at other people's expense.
UFO pilot: "Captain, our calculation shows planet earth won’t survive another 50 years at this rate of consumption. Why have the humans not noticed this?" UFO Captain: "They can only see one quarter ahead of time." -JVancouver
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Re: Why not just give up?

Unread postby FreakOil » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 08:27:28

... because the good things in life - love, friendship, fishing, beer, wine, fresh apples, fishing, etc. - don't depend on oil supply. It's going to get ugly, but those things give me reason to carry on.
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