Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Snowstorm » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 10:38:53

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/12/469/

The new #1 book is a book called "The Secret" which says that for people to be happy, successful. etc., they just need to visualize it. What this actually does is make people less likely to work for real positive change. Some of the gurus of this movement have gone as far as saying the people of Darfur being racially exterminated brought this on themselves by their own negative thinking, that people should shun sick friends because it could bring sickness upon themselves, and that the poor are only poor because their thoughts are blocking them from having money. In actuality, the author of the above article and myself think this is more propaganda to encourage complacency and stop people from fighting for change.
User avatar
Snowstorm
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Fri 19 Jan 2007, 04:00:00
Location: Missouri

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Snowstorm » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 10:43:13

Oops, I started this thread before i realized there was another one on the same subject, it's http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic28187.html
User avatar
Snowstorm
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Fri 19 Jan 2007, 04:00:00
Location: Missouri

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 10:49:27

I'm going to win the lottery,,,,,,,,,,,soon! :cheers:
vision-master
 

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 13:28:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowstorm', ' ')this movement have gone as far as saying the people of Darfur being racially exterminated brought this on themselves by their own negative thinking, that people should shun sick friends because it could bring sickness upon themselves, and that the poor are only poor because their thoughts are blocking them from having money.


Reminds me of the christian fundies that tell people with diabeties, cancer etc. that it's their own fault for not praying hard enough. Always makes me laugh.
Ayame
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 631
Joined: Thu 29 Jun 2006, 03:00:00
Location: UK

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Concerned » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 14:49:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowstorm', 'h')ttp://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/12/469/

The new #1 book is a book called "The Secret" which says that for people to be happy, successful. etc., they just need to visualize it. What this actually does is make people less likely to work for real positive change. Some of the gurus of this movement have gone as far as saying the people of Darfur being racially exterminated brought this on themselves by their own negative thinking, that people should shun sick friends because it could bring sickness upon themselves, and that the poor are only poor because their thoughts are blocking them from having money. In actuality, the author of the above article and myself think this is more propaganda to encourage complacency and stop people from fighting for change.


I've watched the secret and one of the first things I thought of was the Jews and the Holocaust.

In fact Im sure promoting the Jews wanted the holocaust theory would be one way to get alot of power and effort against the so called secret.

Another thing we probably have somene in our family or circle of friends who has been touched by sickness. I don't know of any of them who wanted and focused on a common cold let alone a bad knee, bad eyesight or a car accident.

But these guys a making money and thats all that counts in todays world. (Well for us rich westerners anyhow)
"Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
User avatar
Concerned
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1571
Joined: Thu 23 Sep 2004, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby aldente » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 00:48:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
')In fact Im sure promoting the Jews wanted the holocaust theory would be one way to get alot of power and effort against the so called secret.


This statement is a nuisence, are you inhaling your wheed through the anus these days?

This whole thing (The Secret) is nothing but yet another forced spring up mini branch of the self-help industry whereby a kernel of truth is mixed up in the commercial blender of -make more cash- give me a break...



Image
User avatar
aldente
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri 20 Aug 2004, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 07:14:27

Self Help?

If you have to read a book... isn't that just regular old "help"?

Self Help would be you writing the book, & then it helps you.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

Hazel Henderson
User avatar
Aaron
Resting in Peace
 
Posts: 5998
Joined: Thu 15 Apr 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Houston

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 08:09:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'R')eminds me of the christian fundies that tell people with diabeties, cancer etc. that it's their own fault for not praying hard enough. Always makes me laugh.


not funny if you daughter suffers on diabetes type 1 - believe me not funny at all ...
I am a sarcastic cynic. Some say I'm an asshole. Now that we have that out of the way ...
User avatar
Lighthouse
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1290
Joined: Thu 02 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby aldente » Wed 09 May 2007, 02:26:29

Two answers,
Aaron, here in California 'self-help' meanwhile qualifies as a business branch. This includes people that I like a lot, for instance Dick Sutphen
(He is from Nebraska originally by the way if that helps-to reduce the California superior mode...)

Lighthouse, regarding your comment, check out this site:
http://www.herbdoc.com/home_1024x768.asp
I mentioned this in the same context in a post over a year ago where Pops was involved and he spared 'flaming me'.
In this sense please do not think that I WORK FOR, or am in any way, shape or form AFFILIATED WITH this service, OK?!
Cheers - to an overcharged community or country that overlooks the basics for the rest of it.
User avatar
aldente
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri 20 Aug 2004, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 09 May 2007, 06:59:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'T')wo answers,
Aaron, here in California 'self-help' meanwhile qualifies as a business branch. This includes people that I like a lot, for instance Dick Sutphen
(He is from Nebraska originally by the way if that helps-to reduce the California superior mode...)

Lighthouse, regarding your comment, check out this site:
http://www.herbdoc.com/home_1024x768.asp
I mentioned this in the same context in a post over a year ago where Pops was involved and he spared 'flaming me'.
In this sense please do not think that I WORK FOR, or am in any way, shape or form AFFILIATED WITH this service, OK?!
Cheers - to an overcharged community or country that overlooks the basics for the rest of it.


Dick Sutphen (Private Sessions) is a bestselling author of 19 New Age books. He offers hundreds of mind-programming CDs to improve your life or manifest psychic experiences

I too respect this amazing capitalist.

It's still not "self" help though.

He's helping you... not you.

And when I say "help" I mean "screwing" of course. And when I say "he" I mean "jerk-off snake-oil criminal who perfectly represents why man is probably doomed."
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

Hazel Henderson
User avatar
Aaron
Resting in Peace
 
Posts: 5998
Joined: Thu 15 Apr 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Houston
Top

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Wed 09 May 2007, 07:46:48

This New Age stuff is hellspawn. Truly.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
peaker_2005
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 686
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Newsseeker » Wed 09 May 2007, 10:24:32

I have had mixed success with wishing or thinking for things like the book says. For somethings like a sunny day it works sometimes but other times there is rain. I want to win the lottery but so far my investment hasn't paid off and I am confused because I thought that all I needed was positive thinking.
Newsseeker
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1126
Joined: Thu 12 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 09 May 2007, 10:29:32

I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to god, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answer at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as god 50/50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50/50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

Hazel Henderson
User avatar
Aaron
Resting in Peace
 
Posts: 5998
Joined: Thu 15 Apr 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Houston

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby SevenTen » Wed 09 May 2007, 11:26:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', 'I') have had mixed success with wishing or thinking for things like the book says. For somethings like a sunny day it works sometimes but other times there is rain. I want to win the lottery but so far my investment hasn't paid off and I am confused because I thought that all I needed was positive thinking.

Positive "thinking" without also a lot of "doing" is like masturbation, but not as satisfying, and you don't have anything to show for it when you're done.

If you are only thinking positively, that will only change how you perceive the world, the world won't actually change.

You, yourself, must actually make the changes you want to see.

For instance, if you like a lot of sunny days, try moving to San Diego, CA. You can't expect San Diego's climate to move to you by wishing for it.
User avatar
SevenTen
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 195
Joined: Sat 07 Apr 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby aldente » Thu 10 May 2007, 10:27:57

Sure Dick Sutphen is a successfull capitalist, why shouldn't he be?
I don't care much for New Age content or style but this simply reflects his customerbase (in business you adjust to your market) and actually stumbled over him the first time in an article that is called The Battle for your Mind which is a remarkable read.

Quote:
So, to begin, I want to share a basic fact about brainwashing: IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MAN, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BRAINWASHED AND REALIZED, OR BELIEVED, THAT HE HAD BEEN BRAINWASHED. Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" ... or have been transformed in miraculous ways.
The Christians may have been the first to successfully formulate brainwashing, but we have to look to Pavlov, the Russian scientist, for a technical explanation.
User avatar
aldente
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri 20 Aug 2004, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 17 May 2007, 03:28:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'S')ure Dick Sutphen is a successfull capitalist, why shouldn't he be?
I don't care much for New Age content or style but this simply reflects his customerbase (in business you adjust to your market) and actually stumbled over him the first time in an article that is called The Battle for your Mind which is a remarkable read.

Quote:
So, to begin, I want to share a basic fact about brainwashing: IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MAN, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BRAINWASHED AND REALIZED, OR BELIEVED, THAT HE HAD BEEN BRAINWASHED. Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" ... or have been transformed in miraculous ways.
The Christians may have been the first to successfully formulate brainwashing, but we have to look to Pavlov, the Russian scientist, for a technical explanation.


Remember, if you can think it, you can do it. Life's what you make it. The glass is half-full. If you believe in yourself, you can do anything. If you don't get what you want, it's because you didn't want it bad enough. Being realistic is evil. Praying works and psychics are genuine. Humans are more important than any other animal on the planets because the have souls and Jesus loves them. Fairies and unicorns are real. Santa, the easter bunny, Jesus and God are all real and actually give a shit about you and if you pray real hard to them and kiss their ass, they'll give you everything you want... but if you doubt them, they'll fucking kill you. You all need to pull yourself up by your boot straps and quit being whiny emo goths who want to slash your wrists.

Just kidding, of course. We're all fucked. The human race as a whole is just like a dinosaur that is too blind to see that it's stuck in a tar pit and is slowly sinking. All the self "help" books in the world can't save us. And I think it's fucking hilarious. Seriously, I don't need self help books to cheer me up... all I need to do is look at the stupidity of the human race and the fact that we're doomed and I end up laughing my ass off.
hubbertspeak7777777
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 406
Joined: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 04:00:00
Top

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 May 2007, 08:24:33

Click to hear an mp3 file of the secret

<Removed embedded streaming to protect members who might be browsing at work :) - theTurtle>
User avatar
Dukat_Reloaded
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 953
Joined: Sun 31 Jul 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby rsch20 » Thu 24 May 2007, 17:57:49

I really hate when people post audio or video links that just start playing. it's incredibly rude imo.
User avatar
rsch20
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 275
Joined: Mon 26 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby aldente » Fri 25 May 2007, 04:04:55

In a related context:
Becomming Transhuman
User avatar
aldente
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri 20 Aug 2004, 03:00:00

Re: The Selfishness of the Self-Help Industry

Unread postby TheTurtle » Fri 25 May 2007, 12:21:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', 'I') really hate when people post audio or video links that just start playing. it's incredibly rude imo.


I agree.
“Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
User avatar
TheTurtle
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1905
Joined: Sat 14 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi
Top


Return to Medical Issues Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron