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there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby mark » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 12:26:56

… so what is really going on?

In a previous post http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic23465.html I lamented that I may have replaced one illusion for another. I did not well explain the nature of this possible new illusion. The fact is I know that I’ve replaced one illusion for another; one I believe is closer to reality than the one I discarded. What I really meant to say was that to live is an illusion. It is not possible to live an illusion free existence on this world, ultimate reality being a oneness with the eternal God.

We each get to choose our own reality, that is the nature of free will. It is the nature of human life; “What the Bleep” tries, (and succeeds only in the extended version) to scientifically construct such a paradigm. It is our perception of reality that is real, that’s why each of us may enjoy our own discoveries.

Now, we have an opportunity to construct a new reality – the old one is dying. We see that death every day. The empire is losing its grip on the world. And while I once thought that the collapse would be hastened, (and looked forward to that collapse) by the reality of peak oil, I now see that is just one possible inevitable to topple our present order. It is not even the most likely one; people are changing faster than the slow depletion of fossil fuels.

I’m reminded of this each time I see some new truth exploding among the consciousness of Americans. The latest is the documentary called “Iraq for Sale.” I applaud these efforts by conscientious Americans to expose the lies of old paradigm thinking. But it’s not that we are suddenly confronted with lying, cheating, murder, and mayhem among the elites, that’s always been the case – the truth is that people are changing and will no longer tolerate that kind of behavior.

The way to change people is not to beat them over the head with the nefarious schemes of the Powers that Be; that only invites defensiveness and retaliation. I welcome their revelations and encourage all who do so, but that’s not going to change people. Real change comes from the inside out; that’s a job only religion can accomplish.

And by religion, I do not mean any of the so-called religions masquerading as such around the world today.

Real religion is personal. It is a personal relationship with God. One cultivated over a lifetime of seeking the Will of God. All those others I term ‘evolutionary belief systems’ and they have no claim on humanity. They are false prophet’s intent on enslaving humanity – each to their particular prejudices.

When one group of ‘religious’ potentates declare, ‘to kill an infidel is the path to heaven,’ how can any thinking person relate to this? But it’s happened countless times over the course of history, from the crusades to the present. But it is that which is going away. Whether it takes 100 years or 1000, that’s where we’re headed.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby KhanCEO » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 13:10:41

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... q+for+Sale

Some how I feel as if Blackwater Security will be the ones that take Americans out of their homes. What I see is a step by step slow paced plan to bring BlackWater from Iraq to America. Pretty soon who will need the United States military? It is the corporate military, sounds scary.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 15:12:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'h')ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3701899279355987979&q=Iraq+for+Sale

Some how I feel as if Blackwater Security will be the ones that take Americans out of their homes. What I see is a step by step slow paced plan to bring BlackWater from Iraq to America. Pretty soon who will need the United States military? It is the corporate military, sounds scary.


dude, freakin scary video. That's going on Monday's LATOC update.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby clueless » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 16:06:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3701899279355987979&q=Iraq+for+Sale

Some how I feel as if Blackwater Security will be the ones that take Americans out of their homes. What I see is a step by step slow paced plan to bring BlackWater from Iraq to America. Pretty soon who will need the United States military? It is the corporate military, sounds scary.


I cannot watch the video on this computer, but my question is this. If the US govt. cannot even secure 200k (at the most) Iraqis, how are they going to displace/manage 200 million Americans ? Once you look at the logistics issue you will see it is impossible. It would take far too much manpower, and too many Americans have guns. Not too mention they allready have the majority of Americans trapped in high density population centers, If and when they want to subdue the American masses all they have to do is blow up a few freeways and/or bridges and the party's over.

I am open to receiving additional info or input but displacing 200 million (or even 200 thousand) is an extremely difficult task.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 17:13:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'I') am open to receiving additional info or input but displacing 200 million (or even 200 thousand) is an extremely difficult task.


I don't think it could be done with threat of force. Maybe by offering free iPods though...
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 17:20:39

Why have Blackwater do what the National Guard can do?

Blackwater is for future Wacos, future Guams.

Its just another brick in the Neocon wall: Privatization of Everything. Muncipalities will no longer pay for a SWAT team, they'll hire Blackwater.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby clueless » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 21:21:06

Yeah - you want something way better than a mass evacuation/kidnapping by Blackwater ? How about closing down the freeways and shutting off the power in LA/Orange county or the Bay area ???

Now that would be far more psychologically impacting than any detention center.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 02:43:37

hmmm approx 30% were rebels last time.
This time what?? .001%
Maybe if some bad things happen you get .01 or .02%

You do not have to lock us all up - Our silence can be achieved simply by silencing the main agitators.

Mark - we call it "spiritualism" and all though I am firmly agnostic I am also deeply spiritual.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby Doly » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 05:01:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'h')mmm approx 30% were rebels last time.
This time what?? .001%
Maybe if some bad things happen you get .01 or .02%


???

What is that supposed to mean?
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 05:14:38

Sorry if I was vague.

I am referring to the conversation that started with Blackwater and then with speculation about private armies policing america and the dislocation of 200 million people etc etc.
That led me to how bad things would have to be if that were to be considered neccessary by TPTB.
Then I imagined revolt.
Someone mentioned today that the original american revolutionaries were 30% of the population and I have heard this estimate several times before.
Well I think that there is only a tiny percent (.001%) now and even if shit got bad I still dont see but 1 or 2 percent/% being the leaders of any active revolt.
Thus silence 1 or 2% of us and you have silenced all of us.

cool? ;-)
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 07:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')iew newest post there is no escaping the matrix...

As long as you joined in...
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby mark » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 11:46:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'M')ark - we call it "spiritualism" and all though I am firmly agnostic I am also deeply spiritual.

Thanks for resurrecting this thread.

Among the self-proclaimed sophisticates here in Chicago the word religion is so belittled as to apply only to the low-life’s south of I-80. They will proclaim they are “spiritual” so as not to taint them with the brush of fundamentalist dogma. And even though I concur with the sentiment, for some reasons not yet clear, I am uncomfortable with that word. Perhaps it is only the rebel in me, however, I prefer the word religion – as long as it is given its proper definition.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby rwwff » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 12:09:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') am referring to the conversation that started with Blackwater and then with speculation about private armies policing america and the dislocation of 200 million people etc etc.


I still don't quite understand what you think the powers gain by dislocating people. Usually powers like to pin people down where they are; the less they move, the easier it is to get useful work out of them, and the cheaper it is to see that they don't starve to death in the process.

I can't think of any successful example in the 20th century of massive, forced dislocation. It always ends badly for everyone, including those at the top.

On the private army thing and who would oppose them in the US, it depends on what that private army actually does. If it spends a good portion of its time hunting down bandits and shooting them; then I think the general population will be more than generous concerning their pay and maintenance. Sorta like the example I gave of a US Army batallion driving into a small to medium sized town; people aren't going to be shooting at them; they're going to be throwing a parade.

Even the Chinese on Hong Kong can't help their feelings of patriatism, even if personal freedoms are perhaps more constrained. People get a bit grumpy as their government wobbles along... but do a port visit with new Chinese naval vessels; and everyone's happy again, even if things remain a bit of a mess.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 14:18:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') am referring to the conversation that started with Blackwater and then with speculation about private armies policing america and the dislocation of 200 million people etc etc.


I still don't quite understand what you think the powers gain by dislocating people. Usually powers like to pin people down where they are; the less they move, the easier it is to get useful work out of them, and the cheaper it is to see that they don't starve to death in the process.

I can't think of any successful example in the 20th century of massive, forced dislocation. It always ends badly for everyone, including those at the top.

On the private army thing and who would oppose them in the US, it depends on what that private army actually does. If it spends a good portion of its time hunting down bandits and shooting them; then I think the general population will be more than generous concerning their pay and maintenance. Sorta like the example I gave of a US Army batallion driving into a small to medium sized town; people aren't going to be shooting at them; they're going to be throwing a parade.

Even the Chinese on Hong Kong can't help their feelings of patriatism, even if personal freedoms are perhaps more constrained. People get a bit grumpy as their government wobbles along... but do a port visit with new Chinese naval vessels; and everyone's happy again, even if things remain a bit of a mess.


You assume that your misunderstanding is my fault.

I was purely speculating on the speculation already in this thread.
Ok I read your garble - your an optomist who should not be "wasting" his time at PO.COM

Mark - it is generally recognized that Religion implies organization as 1 person does not a religion make while spiritualism is the individual position.
You may be a (input a religion here) yet you are probably aware of other religious concepts like Karma OR ying-yang etc etc.
Even though your religion of choice may have similar principles you still may have learned about it by watching an episode of "kung fu" ;-)
TV dogma?

So yes we pick up little pieces here and there and we form our own individual belief system
I do not think this is anymore insane then trying to put one dogma above the other.

I watched a wonderful discovery series last night - Bill Shatner at the helm as the show tried to give the viewer a glimpse into the perplexing position and problems science is having with simply justifying the size and shape of the universe.
I felt as if I was on the enterprise front and center zooming through time and space.
Science is religion is science.
Thus several concepts that I am now aware of are making the rounds in my mind.
In a few days or in the next moment - I may make a change that will forever effect how I feel and think.

Now - is there a way to escape the matrix.

Yes - on the material plane there is only one thing that exists outside of matter yet within matter at the same time.
Some call it spirit or soul or simply consciousness.

Before this - you were - after this - you will be.
The matrix is the material world wether we are unknowingly trapped inside a true machine like matrix only believeing we are actually doing the things we believe that we are doing or if we are truly awake and living.

If time goes both ways - there is most definately something fishy going on here ;-)

I am at odds with myself when I try to figure out wether we are somehow "trapped" here or if we indeed may have "chosen" to exist.

All in all - this is some "good stuff" ;-)
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby rwwff » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 15:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'Y')ou assume that your misunderstanding is my fault.


Nope. I assumed it was my fault, and hoped that you would be kind enough to help me understand.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 17:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'U')sually powers like to pin people down where they are; the less they move, the easier it is to get useful work out of them, and the cheaper it is to see that they don't starve to death in the process.


It depends what your goal is. What would be the effect of pinning down all those in Las Vegas?

The traditional thing for a state to do when it runs out of resources is to invade it's neighbours.

Presumably there must be a point at which that is no longer an option? Or perhaps that is the last gasp; when it is no longer possible to feed all, some will have to be relocated to the borders to attempt to expand the state even if the expansion is doomed to fail.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby rwwff » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 21:44:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'U')sually powers like to pin people down where they are; the less they move, the easier it is to get useful work out of them, and the cheaper it is to see that they don't starve to death in the process.
It depends what your goal is. What would be the effect of pinning down all those in Las Vegas?


So they'll starve to death and not bother anyone with their retched immorality. Hard times brings fundamentalism. Don't expect that to be without consequences.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he traditional thing for a state to do when it runs out of resources is to invade it's neighbours.


We've only got mexico, which will be a resource sink more than soon enough; and Canada, who is playing nice, and seems more than happy to ship oil south, in exchange for us shipping other stuff North. When the dollar slips down to its true value, I'd suspect that trade to be near even.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')resumably there must be a point at which that is no longer an option? Or perhaps that is the last gasp; when it is no longer possible to feed all, some will have to be relocated to the borders to attempt to expand the state even if the expansion is doomed to fail.


China is doing precisely that in their Western provinces. Paying Han to move West into other provinces to subdue them by overwhelming numbers. But no forcing is necessary for this effort, a couple thousand bucks bonus, and they pile on the train with enthusiasm. Much cheaper than trying to physically force the move.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby kevincarter » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 10:25:52

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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby mark » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 16:47:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'i')t is generally recognized that Religion implies organization as 1 person does not a religion make while spiritualism is the individual position.

...So yes we pick up little pieces here and there and we form our own individual belief system.

This is exactly my point. The definition of religion is one of the problems I have with conventional thinking. There is no dogma in real religion…no creed, no “book” nor priestly class “interpreting” the divine words. I’ve defined real religion earlier so I’ll try now to be clearer.

God is truth. The real life on this earth is lived seeking truth. Living the truth reveals to ones fellows the sublime nature of God. Creating this personal relationship with God is religion. Evolutionary Belief Systems currently masquerade as religions – and cause the human race all manner of sorrow.

Religion is personal. Everything else is only a shadow.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kevincarter', 'W')e are not the only ones, THEY also have an opportunity to construct a new reality and they are willing to use it.

Yes, one may interpret the actions of the current administration as attempting to formulate the new paradigm. However, from my study of history I prefer to think of it as the last gasp of the old. A thing must be made obvious so that all can see the consequences. That is what Bushco is doing now.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kevincarter', 'T')hey are not going to give away that grip easy, shut up, consume, work, obey and we'll take care of the rest, otherways you are a threat.

No, they will not easily give up. But these methods used to be hidden; now there’re out in the open for all to judge. And, the more we see, even more will learn and understand the sinister character of the old ways.

Paradigms don’t evolve in a few years or decades. It takes time. And while those of us alive today may not see the fruition of our efforts, we can be assured that each and every contribution will be valued.
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Re: there is no escaping the matrix...

Unread postby ohanian » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 20:17:33

God is the truth.

The truth is ugly.


So God is ugly.

Please worship my ugly God.
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