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Unread postby Free » Tue 26 Apr 2005, 21:31:52

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Eco ... 2Dj01.html

In some ways very contrarian, especially in regard of the dollar and commodity prices. But it seems only logical that with a global slowdown of the economy this is plausible...
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Unread postby MaterialExcess » Sat 30 Apr 2005, 12:50:44

Great article. I think the rising interest rates in the US are going to pop the housing bubble. That along with high existing debt will slow down spending. The US will slip into recession and drag most of the world down with it. Oil demand will drop. Oil prices, at least for the short term, will collapse from current levels. Peak oil is not here yet and probably will not be until the next decade.
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Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 08:57:17

the idea that is missed there is the inevitable cliff ahead. so a crawl over the edge is the same as a running leap. the economics will never allow a left turn, it just isn't economical. not to mention that growth is the only thing maintaining a debt ridden global economy. we have to keep running to stay ahead of the debt collectors.
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Unread postby Malthus » Tue 03 May 2005, 10:58:30

The article is very logical, however I don not see any hard landings in China atleast not this year. If due to bad credits and interest rate hikes bankrupticies start materialiazing the Chineese goverment may start pumping its currency reserves into the economy bailing out companies. So the scenario of hard landing that everybody was expecting for the last 12 months is rather unprobable however we may seem some slow in growth from 9,6% to lets say 7-6% and it wont be the chineese fault. On the other hand the US has been using all the asian credit to fuel excessive consumption and rampant house speculation so the money that the US gets from Asia is not put to productive use like researching new energy technology but is being spent by soccer moms via home equity loans so the situation is much more explosive in the States. Unlike americans chineese have overinvested their money in production capacity which may lead to some trouble of Hayekian type but the sky seems rather clear for China compared to the states. Eventual drop in commodity prices may come and can only come in the next 6-18 mounths from a US recession and an end to the spending spree which may lead to full blown depression. It will be a great time to buy some commodity related stocks after a sell off cause we all know this is a big long term bull market. I ve actually sold most of my commodity stocks oil & metals except for precious metals since march and bought gold & siver coins. The news of rising dollar are actually very bad for the americans so far in debt baecause they will have to pay it in more expensive dollars down the road, i seriously doubt that the coming depression will be deflationnary and any such event will be very short lived Just a few quotes from what seems to be the next Fed chairman Ben S Bernanke and his dismal helicopter supply of money theory:

"What has this got to do with monetary policy? Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation."
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Unread postby heyhoser » Tue 03 May 2005, 11:05:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MaterialExcess', ' ')Oil prices, at least for the short term, will collapse from current levels. Peak oil is not here yet and probably will not be until the next decade.


I agree that oil prices will drop, but they will continue to spike each time the economy attempts to recover. I totally disagree with you that PO is not here. The world is pretty much at full production with a very limited surplus capacity. We're on a plateau. And around and around we go...
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