[Pops]

Asset Inertia says as long as you are making money you are reluctant to change, fair enough.

What about when you aren't making money anymore, will you change?

Will a possible GD-II cause change even with the evaporation of a good portion of liquid assets, investment capital and borrowing ability?

Will GM, Weyerhaeuser, SCE, et al change or dry up and blow away?

[MonteQuest]

We have to fight our cultural direction and world view at the same time as asset inertia. Our current world view is based upon classical, or “Newtonian mechanics” after Sir Isaac Newton and his laws of motion. The answer, it was assumed, was to use the principles of mechanics to rearrange the stuff of nature in a way that best advanced the material self-interest of human beings: The more material well-being we amass, the more ordered the world must be getting. Progress, then, is the amassing or ever greater amounts of material abundance which leads to a more ordered world.

Science and technology are the tools to get the job done. Our monetary system soon followed.

I don't think we will change until we hit the proverbial wall. And even then, we won't readily acquiesce to reality.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd even then, we won't readily acquiesce to reality.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') don't think we will change until we hit the proverbial wall. And even then, we won't readily acquiesce to reality.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', ' ')Definition of "reality". please!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ') Yea, but I'm encouraged that even at this modest level of discomfort how consumers are cutting back and businesses "reorganizing".

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')he cutting back and reorganizing will be a permanent reduction in the standard of living, wages, and available employment.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')he cutting back and reorganizing will be a permanent reduction in the standard of living, wages, and available employment.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ') Yea, but I'm encouraged that even at this modest level of discomfort how consumers are cutting back and businesses "reorganizing".

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', ' ') Our asset inertia hides huge reserves of energy since most of the asset inertia isn't really keeping us either alive physically or spiritually. Therein lies a hope in more energy than we think being available for a transition toward sustainability. It might be squandered but we may be seeing shifting values away from consumption and moving toward frugality and conservation.

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', ' ') Our asset inertia hides huge reserves of energy since most of the asset inertia isn't really keeping us either alive physically or spiritually. Therein lies a hope in more energy than we think being available for a transition toward sustainability. It might be squandered but we may be seeing shifting values away from consumption and moving toward frugality and conservation.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'Y')et, we have yet to understand that conservation only works in a powerdown with a declining population.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'A')nd this is exactly why we have no choice as a society to move to a collectivist economy - and the sooner we do this, the better. There will be no new "investment", as that simply requires more energy, resources, encourages population growth, etc, etc. Getting rid of capitalism is the only way

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'E')nergy consumption and standard of living run parallel up to a point. From there consumption rises but not standard of living.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'E')nergy consumption and standard of living run parallel up to a point. From there consumption rises but not standard of living.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'Y')et, we have yet to understand that conservation only works in a powerdown with a declining population. That so-called "more energy" for a sustainable transition must be taken away from the systems it once supported.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'S')ociety needs to quit telling citizens they are 'comsumers' and we need to get away from 'standard of living' as the metric. SOL measures material consumption so by definition it goes down with energy use. 'Quality of life' is a better metric.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'Y')et, we have yet to understand that conservation only works in a powerdown with a declining population. That so-called "more energy" for a sustainable transition must be taken away from the systems it once supported.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'W')e are going to be forced to increase our quality of life......

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'Y')et, we have yet to understand that conservation only works in a powerdown with a declining population. That so-called "more energy" for a sustainable transition must be taken away from the systems it once supported.