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Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 12:07:42

I found this article very interesting. It how a local town is now using and implementing is own local currency. The article talks about how other US towns have done the same thing. It seems to be an ominous sign. It also shows how easily the US culture could be fragmented in time of crisis.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')REAT BARRINGTON, Massachusetts (Reuters) - A walk down Main Street in this New England town calls to mind the pictures of Norman Rockwell, who lived nearby and chronicled small-town American life in the mid-20th Century.


So it is fitting that the artist's face adorns the 50 BerkShares note, one of five denominations in a currency adopted by towns in western Massachusetts to support locally owned businesses over national chains.

"I just love the feel of using a local currency," said Trice Atchison, 43, a teacher who used BerkShares to buy a snack at a cafe in Great Barrington, a town of about 7,400 people. "It keeps the profit within the community."

There are about 844,000 BerkShares in circulation, worth $759,600 at the fixed exchange rate of 1 BerkShare to 90 U.S. cents, according to program organizers. The paper scrip is available in denominations of one, five, 10, 20 and 50.

In their 10 months of circulation, they've become a regular feature of the local economy. Businesses that accept BerkShares treat them interchangeably with dollars: a $1 cup of coffee sells for 1 BerkShare, a 10 percent discount for people paying in BerkShares.

Named for the local Berkshire Hills, BerkShares are accepted in about 280 cafes, coffee shops, grocery stores and other businesses in Great Barrington and neighboring towns, including Stockbridge, the town where Rockwell lived for a quarter century.

"BerkShares are cash, and so people have transferred their cash habits to BerkShares," said Susan Witt, executive director of the E.F. Schumacher Society, a nonprofit group that set up the program. "They might have 50 in their pocket, but not 150. They're buying their lunch, their coffee, a small birthday present."



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he BerkShares program is one of about a dozen such efforts in the nation. Local groups in California, Kansas, Michigan, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont and Wisconsin run similar ones. One of the oldest is Ithaca Hours, which went into circulation in 1991 in Ithaca, New York.

About $120,000 of that currency circulates in the rural town. Unlike BerkShares, Ithaca Hours cannot officially be freely converted to dollars, though some businesses buy them.

Stephen Burkle, president of the Ithaca Hours program, said the notes are a badge of local pride.

"At the beginning it was very hard to get small businesses to get on board with it," said Burkle, who also owns a music store in Ithaca. "When Ithaca Hours first started, there wasn't a Home Depot in town, there wasn't a Borders, there wasn't a Starbucks. Now that there are, it's a mechanism for small businesses to compete with national chains."

U.S. law prevents states from issuing their own currency but allows private groups to print paper scrip, though not coins, said Lewis Solomon, a professor of law at George Washington University, who studies local currencies.

"As long as you don't turn out quarters and you don't turn out something that looks like the U.S. dollar, it's legal," Solomon said.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he BerkShares experiment comes as the dollar is losing some of its status on international markets, with governments shifting some reserves into euros, the pound and other investments as the U.S. currency has slid in value.

But the dollar is still the currency that businesses in Great Barrington need to pay most of their bills.

"The promise of this program is for it to be a completed circle," said Matt Rubiner, owner of Rubiner's cheese shop and Rubi's cafe. Some local farmers who supply him accept BerkShares, but he pays most of his bills in dollars.

"The circle isn't quite completed yet in most cases, and someone has to take the hit," Rubiner said, referring to the 10 percent discount. "The person who takes the hit is the merchant, it's me."

Meanwhile, Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc., a western Massachusetts bank that exchanges BerkShares for dollars, is considering BerkShares-denominated checks and debit cards.

"Businesses aren't comfortable walking around with wads of BerkShares to pay for their supplies or their advertising," said Melissa Joyce, a branch officer with the bank, which has 25 branches, six of which exchange BerkShares. "I do hope that we're able to develop the checking account and debit card, because it will make it easier for everyone."


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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby FoxV » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 12:15:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I')t how a local town is now using and implementing is own local currency. The article talks about how other US towns have done the same thing. It seems to be an ominous sign. It also shows how easily the US culture could be fragmented in time of crisis.


Still fiat so still phony. A neat idea that it gives locals an instant discount, but nothing more. I would also guess that because of less oversight and market scale, even more prone to manipulation.

Its all fine and dandy when things are going good, but what happens when things turn bad? I'll bet BerkShares Bucks will quickly revert to BerkShares toilet paper.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby Niagara » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 12:22:32

Fellow Canadian members of this forum will get a chuckle out of this. We know our "real" currency is good ol' Canadian Tire Money :o

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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby Micki » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 13:32:55

At least the Liberty Dollar is fullly gold&silver backed "local currency".
No wonder Fed Reserve is especially targeting them to get them off the market.

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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby perdition79 » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 14:29:14

Local currencies will not "save" our national (or global) economy; the universal acceptance of the U.S. Dollar is what drives the economy. Local currencies are little more than coupons, and their widespread usage will be a sign that the global economy's screwed.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 15:52:06

Here's what I find interesting, I'm not trying to say one fiat is better than another, or whether a silver dollar is a better replacement. What I find interesting is the fact that local cities are even considering replacing the dollar in the US with anything else. We always talk about Iran or Russia diversifying, but this is starting to happen in the US. What does that say? That seems a pretty significant psychological shift. I also find it interesting to see how easily diversifying from the dollar can be done and accepted by a local economy. So, it shows how fast and easy our "homogeneous" culture can fragment.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby FoxV » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 17:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', ' ')What I find interesting is the fact that local cities are even considering replacing the dollar in the US with anything else. We always talk about Iran or Russia diversifying, but this is starting to happen in the US. What does that say? That seems a pretty significant psychological shift.

I very much doubt this has anything to do with diversification. It looks more like an exercise in community pride more than anything else.

These currencies are not backed by anything and are fixed to the USD, so all they really are is a proxy for a USD, and not an actual currency. There is no attempt here to break away from Dollar Hegemony (which I doubt these people have even heard of the word)

We here on a doomer forum may see it as a blow against the USD and hinting at the break up of the US, but I doubt very much anybody else sees it that way. Lets face it, we Red Pill'ers live in a much different reality than the rest of the world
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 17:42:58

Again, I'm not saying these people are diversifying bc they are doomers. I find it very interesting that they want to diversify for any reason, and that its so easy to do so. There is some kind of psychological shift evidenced in all of this. If nothing else, local pride versus nationalism, maybe good, maybe bad, but its a shift. It is also, apparently, a very easy shift to make. It shows how quickly people can go tribal and how quickly the dollar could be substituted, collapse, i.e. Argentina style. There is a lot of discontent in the US right now which may account for growing American pride. When people feel more pride holding their own local currency over an American greenback, I think that's evidence of a profound shift in psychology. Could be wrong, but seems fairly significant to me.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 22:18:06

Fiat is OK, what's bad is being based on debt - that's bad.

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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby Micki » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 23:39:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')iat is OK, what's bad is being based on debt - that's bad.

The question is then what determines the amount in circulation.
I agree that fiat currency printed by the goverment probably is slightly better than by a private central bank. But the main issue with all fiat currencies is the temptation of fiscal indicipline as it is easier for the politicians to print money than to save, raise taxes etc.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby Mircea » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 02:32:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', ' ') I find it very interesting that they want to diversify for any reason, and that its so easy to do so.


It's called a "fad." They're only doing it because someone read an article recently that a handful of small towns in Austria, Germany and I think the Netherlands are doing it.

The novelty will wear off eventually. Check back a year from now to see how it's going, if it still is.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 22:35:37

Explore the Magic

This example began in 1987, with considerable success.

The currency is freely exchangeable for goods and services within the community borders, and may sometimes be distributed in limited amounts outside the community to attract visitors.

Pricing of goods within the community are increased by a factor of 100% or so compared to the surrounding area. This allows the system to be profitable. The system works because many of the holders of the currency have limited understanding or knowlege of economics.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby cube » Fri 22 Jun 2007, 03:18:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '[')url=http://www.explorethemagic.com/disney-dollars.asp]Explore tha Magic[/url]

This example began in 1987, with considerable success.
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LMAO...that's a good one!

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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 11:46:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'A')t least the Liberty Dollar is fullly gold&silver backed "local currency".
No wonder Fed Reserve is especially targeting them to get them off the market.

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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby mattduke » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 14:30:39

Why anyone would overpay so much for metal is beyond me.
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Re: Death of Dollar to local US currencies?

Unread postby Kingcoal » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 14:55:53

Scrip money is about as all-American as it gets. Colonial Scrip was paper currency issued by the colonies before the Revolutionary War. It worked so well, the Crown banished it (literally causing the Revolutionary War.) The Pennsylvania Pound, for example, was a real estate backed currency. If you needed money, you went to the bank and put up your property as collateral. You could borrow up to twice the market value of your property; the interest rate was a fixed 5%. If you defaulted, the government repossessed your property. According to Benjamin Franklin, there was no unemployment, no homelessness and massive economic growth. The colonies didn't have gold, but they did have real estate. People came to this country, rented their home until they had enough money saved to buy property, with which they could then get a loan to build with. With so much money available, jobs were plentiful and well paying. What intrigues me about the system is this:

1. It works, there is precedent.
2. It was completely controlled by the government for the Citizens benefit; it was not a for-profit private enterprise (like the Fed banks.)
3. It was not debt based. As the need for capital rose, so did the money supply.
4. It did not require the amassment of precious metals. Gold backed currencies are a double edged sword; they are prone to currency wars and are very unforgiving during crisis.
5. It benifited the working man, as well as the rich. If you could save money, you could buy property and get the money to improve it and make it productive, which created more jobs, so more people could save and buy more property.
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