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$100 per barrel sooner than later according to CIBC

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 11:49:13

There is a very interesting presentation by Jeff Rubin, CIBC World Markets chief economist in which he talks about supply/demand issues and commodity price effects. Following is a link to CIBC World Market site:

http://research.cibcwm.com/economic_pub ... p08_05.pdf

in a nutshell Mr. Rubin suggests:

- oil demand is becoming less price sensitive through time (inelastic)
-looking at projected demand and projected capacity he suggests that by 2008 there will be a need to decrease demand by 3 MMB/d
-oil is poised to hit $100/bbl within the next two years
-he suggests inflationary pressures in both Canada and the US will be lower than predicted
-notes that at $100/bbl the Canadian loonie will be close to par with the US dollar and could become the new petro-currency
-energy stocks alone will drive up the TSX 2500 points in 2006.
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CIBC...$84 oil next year

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 12:31:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')RONTO (AP) -- Oil will likely climb to $84 a barrel next year, eventually rising to $100 per barrel by the end of 2007, CIBC World Markets predicted Thursday.

The average West Texas Intermediate oil prices will be affected by both supply and demand factors over the next few years, the study by chief economist Jeff Rubin said.

The study, which predicts oil will average $93 per barrel in 2007, said prices are "expected to reach or exceed $100 per barrel by the fourth quarter of that year."

"The devastation to both oilfields and oil industry infrastructure from hurricane Katrina will not only impact current oil production but future production as well," CIBC World Markets said in a release.


I don't know who the hell these people are, but they seem to have a grasp of the situation :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The study expects that planned expansion of production in the Gulf of Mexico over the next two years is likely to be halved; cutting off nearly 300,000 barrels per day of potential future supply. The setbacks to planned expansion of Gulf of Mexico capacity comes on the heels of stagnant production in Russia and tapped out capacity in OPEC."


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Re: $100 per barrel sooner than later according to CIBC

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 12:42:28

I just posted on this in current events...i'll go delete it if no one has responded...

I think that the CIBC has a good grasp of the situation...atleast with the view of the GOM/Russia/OPEC


{merged it for ya. merges are chronological so they sift in between posts in the target thread; EE}
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Re: CIBC...$84 oil next year

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 13:01:33

CIBC is one of our major banks ( we have about 5 I think) http://www.cibc.com/ca/personal.html

Because we have so few banks up here they are massive companies raking in billions in profit each year so they do a lot of analysis of the markets both to know what to do with their money and to recommend to the customers.

It seems that all but the most insane economists are starting to figure out the supply/demand issues involved with oil. Even Cramer on mad money was mentioning longterm declining supply as a reason to be bullish on some oil stocks and bearish on others including most refineries.
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Re: CIBC...$84 oil next year

Unread postby FireJack » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 13:46:03

A few months ago another canadian bank (RBC or something) mentioned about higher oil prices due to declining production. I wonder how much reaction their announcement really produced though.
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Re: CIBC...$84 oil next year

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 13:47:16

Frank,

Just got a email from my Dad in Nigeria on that subject, 85-100 a barrel is possible with in the next year and a half but the good news is next couple of months should stabalize some.

He thought oilstorm was right on the mark but the aftermath of this hurricane will not be as immediate or bad as the movie predicted($6 a gallon by christmas). His advice was over the next year we will see darwinism come into play so we must adapt or die. I think I will get a copy of Origin of the Species in my stocking this year (last year was a book on cattle ranching).

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Re: $100 per barrel sooner than later according to CIBC

Unread postby falser » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 13:48:40

Anything in the Current Events forum will get "drowned" out by Katrina.

I wouldn't be surprised if any/all of those predictions come true. But I ask, how could the Canadian dollar become a new petro-currency? Canada exports its oil in US dollars, not Canadian. And that is not great with a rising Canadian dollar - or do I have this backwards? Is there any talk of Canada selling oil in $CDN on a domestic market?
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Re: $100 per barrel sooner than later according to CIBC

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 14:14:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ouldn't be surprised if any/all of those predictions come true. But I ask, how could the Canadian dollar become a new petro-currency? Canada exports its oil in US dollars, not Canadian. And that is not great with a rising Canadian dollar - or do I have this backwards? Is there any talk of Canada selling oil in $CDN on a domestic market?


I think all Rubin is suggesting is that if the Candian dollar stays strong due to it's presence as a net exporter and the US dollar continues to decline, being a net importer that eventually someone will find a better currency to link oil to. It could just as easily be the Euro I suppose. For Canadian companies they would definitely question why the US dollar would be the Petro-currency inasmuch as with rising Canadian dollar the costs for office overhead, salaries etc. keep rising whereas being tied to the US dollar the value rec'd per barrel would be diminishing. Better to have a relatively stable currency to tie oil to....preferably one that gets its strength from that commodity I would think. But the economists here are better armed to argue one way or the other.

With regard to Rubins predictions....he is a bit of a rebel in terms of his views but he has been bang on amazingly over the past 2 years. I guess the "dismal science" is good for something after all :wink:
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