By Sam Smith
Which American political party best reflects the views of a majority of citizens on the Iraq war, environmental issues, health care, campaign financing, population growth, genetically modified foods, and marijuana use?
The answer, based on various polls, is the Green Party.
That you may not be aware of this points to a problem with American journalism far more important than plagiarism, blogs, or Fox News. Specifically, our media - for all its professed objectivity - is stunningly biased towards the views of the American elite and particularly those who buy space in their papers or time on their channels.
On the environmental issue alone, the Green Party has been proven by the latest scientific data far more prescient and sane than either of the older parties. Yet the media prefers to dismiss, discredit or disregard the Greens as well as leaders who share their views, such as David Cobb or Ralph Nader.
http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue8/Sam_Smith.cfm
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I've been a registered Green for a few years now but I haven't been involved with them in any way except by voting (David Cobb protest vote).
They don't seem very well organized or sure of themselves frankly. Anybody else here a Green?
Next month, I'm going to my first Green social get together to see what sort of people they are. I wonder if any of them will know all abot Peak Oil and it's exponents.
PeakOil is You
Do the American people know what they're missing?
by Specop_007 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:04:41
I have to lean towards [no]
Socialism doesnt work. That might be why people dont look to the Green Party.
Differences
Socialism doesnt work. That might be why people dont look to the Green Party.
Differences
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Re: Do the American people know what they're missing?
by PenultimateManStanding » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:25:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Next month, I'm going to my first Green social get together to see what sort of people they are. I wonder if any of them will know all abot Peak Oil and it's exponents.
By all means go to the meeting and hopefully you'll report back to us on the impressions you get. I'd love to hear it. And specop, both of our main parties have been moving in the socialist direction anyway. The Republicans seem to be the 'let's take this Socialism thing in a slow and measured way party and the Democrats seem to be the 'hell, let's just get it over with and go Socialist' party. The move to Socialism is about to get a big push by the coming economic emergency. The cry will be 'the Market failed us! Socialism Now! Its the only thing that will save our bacon.' Maybe if we are going to go Socialist anyway we should all take a close look at third parties and see what our options are. The main parties are corrupt, the MSM is corrupt, the whole situation is rotten to the core. And third party options may gain strength when we head into the New Depression. (if that phrase catches on, then you heard it here first!)')Next month, I'm going to my first Green social get together to see what sort of people they are. I wonder if any of them will know all abot Peak Oil and it's exponents.
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by Specop_007 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:28:09
I'll have to agree PMS. We're pretty much screwed to walk the failing path of Socialism/Communism. 
Fortunately, if we do go down that path hopefully we'll fall flat on our asses quickly enough to rebound and end up better off then before.
Fortunately, if we do go down that path hopefully we'll fall flat on our asses quickly enough to rebound and end up better off then before.
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i'm a green
by freelight » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:29:09
i'm against the drug war, against the war in iraq, for conservation, for renewables, against the bush admin. and the patriot act and aLL that. but i don't always vote green. i've been to a few green rally's but you are right - unorganized and not on the ball. i open my big mouth about these issues all the time, but not in terms of which party supports what. I think the green party has 0 esteem, and i'm counting on things getting real bad before we see some meaningful change. it's only then that the rest will come around.
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by threadbear » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:50:09
Specop, In your dreams you'll ever end up in a comparable Socialist Utopia, like Scandinavia. In the event of a crisis, you're going full bore fascist. (unless you consider debtor's work camps, part of a sissified Socialist nanny state)
Who says the Greens are particularly commie anyway? Perhaps communitarian. If the Greens were in power perhaps your tax dollars would actually be converted into something that you might benefit from.
What's it going to be? --a shot in the arm to halliburton, or universal health care? Or is the thought of benevolent domestic activity, as opposed to foreign wars somehow repulsive?
Who says the Greens are particularly commie anyway? Perhaps communitarian. If the Greens were in power perhaps your tax dollars would actually be converted into something that you might benefit from.
What's it going to be? --a shot in the arm to halliburton, or universal health care? Or is the thought of benevolent domestic activity, as opposed to foreign wars somehow repulsive?
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by Specop_007 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:52:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')pecop, In your dreams you'll ever end up in a comparable Socialist Utopia, like Scandinavia. In the event of a crisis, you're going full bore fascist. (unless you consider debtor's work camps, part of a sissified Socialist nanny state)
Who says the Greens are particularly commie anyway? Perhaps communitarian. If the Greens were in power perhaps your tax dollars would actually be converted into something that you might benefit from.
What's it going to be? --a shot in the arm to halliburton, or universal health care? Or is the thought of benevolent domestic activity, as opposed to foreign wars somehow repulsive?
Who says the Greens are particularly commie anyway? Perhaps communitarian. If the Greens were in power perhaps your tax dollars would actually be converted into something that you might benefit from.
What's it going to be? --a shot in the arm to halliburton, or universal health care? Or is the thought of benevolent domestic activity, as opposed to foreign wars somehow repulsive?
Universal Healthcare will kill us. It may very well work for other countries, but for us it'll be a death sentence. I hope to hell it never passes here.
In most countries, Socialism/Communism has failed miserably. In those countries where it is perhaps working there certainly not what I would call a player on the world stage to any real degree.
Fact is, Socialism is for the lazy. I couldnt, in good faith, support a system that supports laziness and half assed work ethics.
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by PenultimateManStanding » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:09:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')(unless you consider debtor's work camps, part of a sissified Socialist nanny state)
debtor's work camps! 
I need about one more good year to get completely out of debt. The restaraunt will probably go under because the days of getting on the phone and having some nice man bring your food to you will go the way of cheap gas. So I'll have to get by on the substitute teacher's pay. Ride an electric scooter to work and weather the storm, hopefully. But it'll mean having to have the credit cards paid off is essential before TSHTF. No 'gettin' water boss!' for me thank you.-
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by aldente » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:16:50
In Germany, where I am from there is the option for parties to form coalitions. I voted Green when I was around (did travel a lot and was never a frequent voter). Nevertheless, in 2002 the socialist Party SPD formed a coalition with the greens (who I voted for then) and won but guess what?
They are in the process to be voted out right now - pre term. Not because the coalition was the problem but the current economic situation. If the conservatives would be in charge (big mistake to think that political parties are "in charge" in the first place) it would not be different I believe.
On one hand one is to belive that political systems have a major impact on our livestyle (North-vs. South Korea for instance) then again these examples are the main selling points for a population to buy into the belive that they live in the best of all worlds (in the western world a least)
BTW. There was a one hour narrative aired on KPFK Pacifica LA today with Gore Vidal speaking. Just outstanding. He called the Bush/Cheney administration a "junta" and made the point that the US constitution never mentioned a word of democracy. The United States are simply a republic (and an empire these days).
But who cares about political systems in a few years anyway? They will be remnants of the past...
They are in the process to be voted out right now - pre term. Not because the coalition was the problem but the current economic situation. If the conservatives would be in charge (big mistake to think that political parties are "in charge" in the first place) it would not be different I believe.
On one hand one is to belive that political systems have a major impact on our livestyle (North-vs. South Korea for instance) then again these examples are the main selling points for a population to buy into the belive that they live in the best of all worlds (in the western world a least)
BTW. There was a one hour narrative aired on KPFK Pacifica LA today with Gore Vidal speaking. Just outstanding. He called the Bush/Cheney administration a "junta" and made the point that the US constitution never mentioned a word of democracy. The United States are simply a republic (and an empire these days).
But who cares about political systems in a few years anyway? They will be remnants of the past...
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by Carlhole » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:23:18
excerpt from China: the Gathering Threat
Deficits Don’t Matter?
China’s bid to buy an American oil company coupled with America’s invasion of Iraq is perversely ironic. Normally it is the capitalistic country that seeks to buy out its adversaries and the communist country that commits territorial aggression to secure vital natural resources. The role reversal may be something of an indication of things to come. China is awash in hard currency and U.S. Treasury bonds thanks to the Bush Administration’s policies of borrowing to pay for tax cuts, military adventures, and a giant prescription benefit for the elderly (and to pay for the money China is lending us each American born today owes China $150,000 according to some estimates).
As the creditor China is likely to use its leverage to acquire American assets that will help accomplish its strategic goals. If current trends continue its just possible China will prove Marx and Lenin right after all: that capitalists would sell the hangman the rope necessary for their own execution.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modu ... e&sid=1105
Deficits Don’t Matter?
China’s bid to buy an American oil company coupled with America’s invasion of Iraq is perversely ironic. Normally it is the capitalistic country that seeks to buy out its adversaries and the communist country that commits territorial aggression to secure vital natural resources. The role reversal may be something of an indication of things to come. China is awash in hard currency and U.S. Treasury bonds thanks to the Bush Administration’s policies of borrowing to pay for tax cuts, military adventures, and a giant prescription benefit for the elderly (and to pay for the money China is lending us each American born today owes China $150,000 according to some estimates).
As the creditor China is likely to use its leverage to acquire American assets that will help accomplish its strategic goals. If current trends continue its just possible China will prove Marx and Lenin right after all: that capitalists would sell the hangman the rope necessary for their own execution.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modu ... e&sid=1105
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by PenultimateManStanding » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:23:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '
')If the conservatives would be in charge (big mistake to think that political parties are "in charge" in the first place) it would not be different I believe.
But who cares about political systems in a few years anyway? They will be remnants of the past...
Good point. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. A third party here in the US would probably just be Tweedle Dummer. But I would like to hear Carlhole's impressions of the Greenies.')If the conservatives would be in charge (big mistake to think that political parties are "in charge" in the first place) it would not be different I believe.
But who cares about political systems in a few years anyway? They will be remnants of the past...
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