[smiley]

http://www.chicagopolice.org/ps/list.aspx#

- What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

- What happened to the eight amendment?

- Why on earth would you impound someone's car for this?

[jato]

Give me more information Smiley. Your link sends me to a bunch of pictures. Is there an article to go with this thread?

[smiley]

Just this brief description. Apparently they want to stop prostitution by publishing the identities of those who are charged with violating prostitution laws (so not even convicted). I first thought it was a hoax, but it seems genuine.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Prostitution Patron Arrests

The Chicago Police Department in conjunction with the Mayor's office have now made prostitution solicitors information available online. By using this website you will be able to view public records on individuals who have been arrested for soliciting prostitutes or other related arrests.

The following individuals were arrested and charged for either patronizing or soliciting for prostitution. It is not a comprehensive list of all individuals arrested by the Chicago Police Department for patronizing or soliciting for prostitution. The names, identities and citations appear here as they were provided to police officers in the field at the time of arrests.

[OilsNotWell]

This isn't rare, other cities do the same thing.

The confiscation laws have been rewritten to allow property to be seized and sold with no recourse on nothing more than a hollow arrest..Lots of cases, particularly with drug forfeiture laws. PD's interested in gaining a share of the proceeds motivates them to do these type of shake-downs...

By the way, go to the site called thememoryhole and you will find even the once publically available procedures for asset forfeiture have been 'disappeared'...

[Specop_007]

Innocent till proven guilty?
While I'm all for that, I think its pretty clear when someone is trying to pick up a hooker. I mean, this isnt a case of "We found a knife covered in blood in the house next to the body that came from his kitchen", but rather a "Yeah, he asked her for sex".
The proof is pretty obvious in that case isnt it? Dont want to be busted, dont ask hookers for sex.
Now, whether I agree with the law is another matter entirely.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Things always change: little is as it used to be or will be in the future: (of course we know this from all the Hollywood movies about the 'bad' old days)

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')Prostitution became a social and political issue only after 1810. In the ensuing century, virtually all American cities and numerous towns experienced noticeable increases. Rapid, unplanned urbanization, an expanding transient male population, low female wages, and discrimination against women contributed to the rise. In addition, landlords often preferred to rent their properties to prostitutes because they were more lucrative and stable than working-class tenants.

until the twentieth century, no statutory definition of prostitution existed in most American communities.

As factory work replaced the craft system, and the unregulated boardinghouse replaced the hierarchical artisan household, young males enjoyed greater freedom, and rigid sexual controls quickly vanished. Male leisure institutions after 1820 provided a social niche separate from the family and more "feminized" entertainments. Prizefighting, heavy drinking, and sexual aggression were admired.

part of an underground economy, was that of the brothels, which numbered in the hundreds in Chicago, Philadelphia, and St. Louis. By the time of the Civil War, New York had over five hundred, many advertising in newspapers and guidebooks.

Concert halls, saloons, cigar stores, restaurants, and cabarets supported prostitution to attract patrons.

[OilsNotWell]

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')sset For feiture Run Amok
Lawrence W. Reed

LibertyHaven
....
Seizing property from the innocent - or at least from people who haven't been convicted of a crime - is not always drug-related. Consider the case of John and Tina Bennis of Royal Oak, Michigan.

On October 3, 1988, police found John Bennis engaging a prostitute in the front seat of his car. Bennis was convicted of indecency and fined $250. The police then obtained a civil court order to seize Bennis's car as a "public nuisance."

Tina Bennis, who as John's innocent wife endured the troubles and embarrassment that attended her husband's indiscretion, was halfowner of the vehicle. She had helped pay for the car with her babysitting income and used it to take the couple's five children to and from school. But the authorities refused to recognize that she had any interest in the vehicle. In a 1996 decision with far-reaching implications, the US. Supreme Court upheld the authority of the government to punish Tina Bennis for the actions of her husband by keeping the car.

These cases involve an alarming practice known as "civil-asset forfeiture." Not unique to Michigan, they are occurring in every state all across America with disturbing frequency. In civil-asset forfeiture cases, the government may do little more than meet the most minimal threshold for alleging that criminal activity has taken place. No criminal charges need to be filed, and no convictions need to be gained for law enforcement authorities to seize and keep the property of citizens. Indeed, even an acquittal on any criminal charges to which seized property relates will not necessarily immunize an individual from a forfeiture proceeding. If the owner wishes to recover his property, he has the burden of showing that it was not used in the commission of a crime.

Enacted to help the government nail "drug kingpins" and other big-time lawbreakers, forfeiture laws often scoop up the homes, cars, and cash of ordinary law-abiding citizens. The police usually oppose any curbs on the practice because they normally get the cash or the profits from the sale of seized property.

Civil-asset forfeiture operates on the principle that the property, not the individual, commits the crime. This legal fiction allows the government to "punish" property, leaving the owners themselves without the rights normally available to accused persons. But the very notion does violence to these pillars of law in a free and civilized society: people commit crimes, inanimate property does not, and people are innocent until they are proven guilty.
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[BorneoRagnarok]

Dole is licensed gangster.
Mafia is a some child bully.

Don't you people understand that ??
Read China history for more details why 99% Chinese think like that.


Ooops maybe you people don't see Chinese Kung Fu movie.
Normally the story goes like these. A rich businessman has a lazy bone son. He don't need to work so he don't. One day a corrupted dole official decide to harvest the bizman wealth. He accussed the bizman of supporting terrorists and for the safety of the citizens , the Dole confisticated all his wealth.

The lazy son become a beggar. Later some Jedi master adopted the bright beggar and turn him into Jedi. He rebelled and destroyed the corrupted empire. There goes another dynasty..

Before I abandoned my TV in the dustbin, I had watched over 50 movie that are scripted like these. So what's new man ??