[heyhoser]

Just curious what everybody thinks. Transportation is going to be hit the hardest with PO, so how will we deal with the transition? Did I miss something?

What is the future of private transportation?--Poll ended at 04 Jun 2005, 07:45
Oil/gasoline will never peak, hence, nothing will change. 1 1%
Fuel-efficient vehicles will swiftly replace the millions of vehicles currenlty in use. And we won't be raped! 6 4%
Fuel-efficient vehicles will swiftly replace the millions of vehicles currenlty in use. Invest in steel and sell your children into slavery to afford them. 17 11%
Other forms of gasoline will be used in the same combustible engines we have now. 11 7%
We're screwed. Buy a bicycle and stock a bunker, because the economy will crash. 86 58%
Red. NO, BLUE! AAAAGGGHHHH!!!! 8 5%
The creator of this poll is obviously ignorant of the many viable forms of alternatives available to the public at no great cost. He should be shot. 20 13%
Total votes : 149

[Ebyss]

Yes! Greenhouses!


To be honest I think it'll be a combination of a few of your options. Bikes, alternative fuels, new "hybrid" cars for those who can afford them...

[Doly]

In the short term, fuel-efficient vehicles and public transport.

In the longer term, some form or another of alternative fuel in far more efficient vehicles, bikes, railway, dirigibles and ships.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heyhoser', 'J')ust curious what everybody thinks. Transportation is going to be hit the hardest with PO, so how will we deal with the transition?

Did I miss something?

[RonMN]

Horses!

[Permanently_Baffled]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We will be forced to decentralize our energy use and production. We will be forced to downscale and localize all activities.

[heyhoser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')But in the short term, we will try to maintain the status quo until we are forced to accept reality.

[Leanan]

I agree with Ron. The wealthy will have horses, the poor will walk.

[0mar]

we already have the best transportation vehicle ever. The bicycle. You can get some goddamn decent range on that thing in a relatively short amount of time. If we were really smart, we'd subsidize public transportation, switch as much of that to biodiesals as soon as possible and tax the fuck outta personal transportation. Of course that'll never happen.

[NeoPeasant]

We will improvise with what we have, like Cuba did.

[Leanan]

I wonder if even bicycles are sustainable, though? They're made out of high-tech materials like steel and fiberglas, rubber and aluminum. They need petroleum-based lubricants. And they do best on artificially smooth surfaces, like roads and sidewalks.

I'm currently reading the Greer article archived on Heinberg's site. He points out that when societies collapse, they tend to crash down a lot further than they started from.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n many regions, furthermore, the sociopolitical complexity remaining after the empire's final disintegration was far below the level that had existed in the same area prior to its inclusion in the Imperial system. Thus Britain in the late pre-Roman Iron Age, for example, had achieved a stable and flourishing agricultural society with nascent urban centers and international trade connections, while the same area remained depopulated, impoverished, and politically chaotic for centuries following the collapse of imperial authority.

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'I') wonder if even bicycles are sustainable, though? They're made out of high-tech materials like steel and fiberglas, rubber and aluminum. They need petroleum-based lubricants. And they do best on artificially smooth surfaces, like roads and sidewalks.

I'm currently reading the Greer article archived on Heinberg's site. He points out that when societies collapse, they tend to crash down a lot further than they started from.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n many regions, furthermore, the sociopolitical complexity remaining after the empire's final disintegration was far below the level that had existed in the same area prior to its inclusion in the Imperial system. Thus Britain in the late pre-Roman Iron Age, for example, had achieved a stable and flourishing agricultural society with nascent urban centers and international trade connections, while the same area remained depopulated, impoverished, and politically chaotic for centuries following the collapse of imperial authority.

[Leanan]

I don't think the resource requirements for bikes are as small as you think. They aren't made from renewable resources. Could you make a bike frame? A bicycle tire? A bike chain? And is it really so much superior to a horse or donkey that it's worth the effort and expense it would take to maintain the technology?

[Ludi]

I believe the first bicycles were made from wood, with thin wooden tires. Some people make bicycles from bamboo now, which makes them light and strong. Tires can be made from rubber which can be made from a variety of plant latexes, not just from the rubber tree.

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') believe the first bicycles were made from wood, with thin wooden tires.

[jato]

Should I decorate my bunker with Olive Drab or Digital camouflage curtains?

[BiGG]

Why am I thinking all the “We’re Screwed” people are already screwed peak or no peak?

They kinda remind me of the classic doomsayer horseless carriage crowd who can’t see the viable alternatives right in front of their eyes.

[NevadaGhosts]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', 'W')hy am I thinking all the “We’re Screwed” people are already screwed peak or no peak?

They kinda remind me of the classic doomsayer horseless carriage crowd who can’t see the viable alternatives right in front of their eyes.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NevadaGhosts', '
')There is no 'viable' alternative to cheap and abundant oil.

[Grimnir]

No, a society that gets around on mountainbikes is not infinitely sustainable. Nothing is. But bikes can last a lot longer than cars. I think we'll be able to continue making and maintaining bikes for a long time, even if it isn't forever. It would take quite a while just to wear out the ones that are already out there.