A View From The Right

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 00:15:22

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/ha ... 100747.asp

I've read National Review for years. Though I find Buckley's prose style Byzantine and laughable, he has put together talented writers through the years. Malachi Martin used to write for NR and was always fascinating and articulate. Hanson writes for them very well. Some underlying assumptions: America remains a Democracy - the 2000 election was not stolen, peak oil is not an issue, not as far as I can tell from his writings. This is an editorial suggesting that people will want to get closer to America when they finally realize what China is all about.

by **Tyler_JC** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 00:31:47

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Some underlying assumptions: America remains a Democracy - the 2000 election was not stolen, peak oil is not an issue, not as far as I can tell from his writings.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 00:51:10

OK, jeez! 'And the Democratic Republic for which it stands!' Remember that from when you were a child?
Every morning standing up and facing the flag and repeating the pledge with your little Tyler hand on your heart? Everybody is so edgy these days!

by **ArimoDave** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 00:59:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'O')K, jeez! 'And the Democratic Republic for which it stands!' Remember that from when you were a child?
Every morning standing up and facing the flag and repeating the pledge with your little Tyler hand on your heart? Everybody is so edgy these days!

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:00:07

Jesus, I hear this thing every day and I don't even know it right. So we aren't a democracy? Well OK, 'republic': res publica the public thing. Seriously, aren't we supposed to be some sort of hybrid 'republic' and 'democracy'?

by **k_semler** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:09:09

The Pledge Of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance,
To the flag,
Of the United States of America,
And to the Republic,
For which it stands,
One nation,
Under God,
Indivisible,
With liberty,
And justice,
For all.

by **Colorado-Valley** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:14:37

I'm a libertarian liberal, which means I support the Constitution, don't like big government and I don't like big business.

This means I usually get along fine with real (small government) conservatives and populist liberals, who were the ones who managed to get the Bill of Rights added to the Constitution, protecting our personal freedoms.

The people I don't get along with are the big-government, corporate socialists, who are the people who are now in power in the U.S., whether Republican or Democrat. They care nothing about the Bill of Rights or small government.

They seem an awfully lot like the National Socialists or the old Italian Fascist Party. What they reallly care about is the power of the state over the individual.

Hopefully, they'll be exposed and will go away soon. :-D

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:16:04

Thank you k_semler, wouldn't you agree that there are emotional associations with the words 'republic' and 'democracy'? Nevermind the associations with "Democrat' and 'Republican,' the words have deeper resonances. I sometimes get the feeling that we can set out to spread 'democracy' around the world while holding the 'republic' right here at home for ourselves.

by **arretium** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:25:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'I')'m a libertarian liberal, which means I support the Constitution, don't like big government and I don't like big business.

This means I usually get along fine with real (small government) conservatives and populist liberals, who were the ones who managed to get the Bill of Rights added to the Constitution, protecting our personal freedoms.

The people I don't get along with are the big-government, corporate socialists, who are the people who are now in power in the U.S., whether Republican or Democrat. They care nothing about the Bill of Rights or small government.

They seem an awfully lot like the National Socialists or the old Italian Fascist Party. What they reallly care about is the power of the state over the individual.

Hopefully, they'll be exposed and will go away soon. :-D

by **tivoli** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:28:15

[quote="Colorado-Valley"

They seem an awfully lot like the National Socialists or the old Italian Fascist Party. What they reallly care about is the power of the state over the individual.

Hopefully, they'll be exposed and will go away soon. :-D

[/quote]

Yep, Il Duce would refer to his blackshirts as "Corporatists"

by **k_semler** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:34:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hank you k_semler, wouldn't you agree that there are emotional associations with the words 'republic' and 'democracy'? Nevermind the associations with "Democrat' and 'Republican,' the words have deeper resonances. I sometimes get the feeling that we can set out to spread 'democracy' around the world while holding the 'republic' right here at home for ourselves.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 01:44:11

The Constitution was abandoned as a result of the Great Depression in the 30's. Window dressing since then, I think. The next round down the slippery slope will come with the coming months. Freedom was never based on anything more than an unexplored continent anyway, nevermind the Indians who weren't regarded as a whole lot more than animals anyway for the most part, at least not while we moved them aside. Later we came to sentimentalize them.

by **Ayoob_Reloaded** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 03:52:31

I kind of like the idea of mob rule.

by **arretium** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 03:55:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'I') kind of like the idea of mob rule.

by **bobcousins** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 05:58:48

So communist USSR was not real communism, and democratic USA is not a real democracy.

The boot of goverment stomps on the face of the individual, regardless of the ideology.

by **katkinkate** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 07:42:20

Groups/people in power all act pretty much the same eventually. Its not so much the political ideology, but the enjoyment of the benefits of power and being ready to do almost anything to keep it. Wasn't that why the US constitution was written the way it was, with all the amendments and bill of rights, to limit the power of the government, provide checks and balances, to prevent those in power using their power against the people?

by MD » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 09:40:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')....... Freedom was never based on anything more than an unexplored continent anyway, nevermind the Indians who weren't regarded as a whole lot more than animals anyway for the most part, at least not while we moved them aside. Later we came to sentimentalize them.

by **DomusAlbion** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 10:59:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')Freedom was never based on anything more than an unexplored continent anyway, nevermind the Indians who weren't regarded as a whole lot more than animals anyway for the most part, at least not while we moved them aside.

by **Kingcoal** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 12:26:52

As I posted in another topic, the independent judiciary is the last remaining brick in the wall. We presently live in a quasi-republic. The tyranny is almost complete. One remaining problem for the Neocons and others is the "activist judges", who have the audacity to interpret the constitution contrary to their views. In the near future, look for constitutional amendments attempting to limit judicial power.

Judges are potentially the most powerful entities in the US government. They can, when voting to together, strike down any law, executive order, etc.

by **k_semler** » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 23:53:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'I') kind of like the idea of mob rule.

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