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How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby k_semler » Tue 17 May 2005, 17:32:59

How to teach True Nature of the Government

I think, it is very important that we teach our children about the True Nature of Government. Now, at last, there is a way to give your children a basic civics course right in your own home! In my own experience as a father, I have discovered several simple expedients that can illustrate to a child's mind the principles on which the Modern State deals with it's citizens. You may find them helpful too.

For example, I used to play the simple card game WAR with my son. After a while, when he thoroughly understood that the higher ranking cards beats the lower ranking ones, I created a new game called GOVERNMENT. In this game, I was a Government, and I won every trick, regardless of who had the better card. My boy soon lost interest in my new game, but I like to think, it taught him a valuable lesson for his later life.

When your child is a little older, you can teach him about our Tax System in a way that is easy to grasp and will allow him to understand the benefits. Offer him, say, $10 to mow the lawn. When he has mowed it and asks to be paid, withhold $5 and explain that this is an Income Tax. Give $1 of this to his younger brother, who has done nothing to deserve it, and tell him that this is "fair" because the younger brother "needs money too". Also, explain that you need the other $4 yourself to cover the administrative costs of dividing the money and for various other things you need.

Make him place his $5 in a savings account over which you have authority. Explain that if he is ever naughty, you will remove the money from the account without asking him. Also explain how you will be taking most of the interest he earns on that money, without his permission. Mention that if he tries to hide the money, this, in itself, will be evidence of wrongdoing and will result in you automatically taking the money from him.

Conduct random searches of his room in the small hours of the morning. Burst in unannounced. Go through all of his drawers and pockets. If he questions this, tell him you are acting on a tip from a mate of his who casually mentioned that you had both earned a bit of spare cash last week. If you find it, confiscate all of that money and also take his stereo and television. Tell him you are selling these and keeping the money to compensate you for having to make the raid. Also lock him in his room for a month as a further punishment.

When he cries at the injustice of this, tell him he is being "selfish" and "greedy" and only interested in looking after his own happiness. Explain that he should learn to sacrifice his own happiness for other people and that since he cannot be relied upon or trusted to do this voluntarily, you will use force to ensure he complies. Later in his life he will thank you..!

Make as many rules as possible. Leave the reasons for them obscured. Enforce them arbitrarily. Accuse your child of breaking rules you have never told him about and carefully explain that ignorance of your rules is not an excuse for breaking them. Keep him anxious that he may be violating commands you haven't yet issued. Instill in him the feeling that rules are utterly irrational. This will prepare him for living under a (Social-) Democratic Government.

He is too young to understand the benefits of democracy, so explain this wonderful and legitimate system as follows: You, your wife and his brother get together and vote that your son should have all privileges removed, be caned, and confined to his room for a week. If he protests that you are violating his rights, patiently explain his error and tell him that the majority have voted for this punishment and nothing matters except the will of the majority. When your child has matured sufficiently to understand how the judicial system works, set a bedtime for him of, say, 10 p.m. and then send him to bed at 9 p.m. When he tearfully accuses you of breaking the rules, explain that you made the rules as a Government and you can interpret them in any way that seems appropriate to you, according to changing conditions.

Promise often to take him to the movies or the zoo, and then, at the appointed hour, recline in an easy chair with a newspaper and tell him you have changed your plans. When he screams: "But you promised!", explain to him that it was a campaign promise and hence meaningless. Every now and then, without warning, slap your child. Then explain that this is self-defence. Tell him that you must be vigilant at all times to stop any potential enemy before he'll grow big enough to hurt you. This, too, your child will appreciate: Not right at that moment, maybe, but later in his life.

If he finds this hard to accept, you can further illustrate the point as follows. Take him on a trip across town with you, to a strange neighbourhood. Walk into any random house you choose and start sorting out their domestic problems, using violence if that is what is required. Make sure you use overwhelming force to crush the family into submission - this avoids a protracted visit and becoming involved for long periods of time. Explain to your son that only a coward stands idly by whilst injustice is happening across town. Tell him we are all brothers and problems left to fester will eventually spill over into your neighbourhood. Use some of the $5 you took from your son as a bus fare - and to purchase a baseball bat.

Drink a bottle of whisky and then lecture him on the evils of smoking grass or crack. If he points out your hypocrisy, remind him that the majority of people drink and that, as already explained, the needs of the majority are the only moral standard. Break up any meeting between him and more than three of his mates as being an "unlawful gathering". If he strokes the cat without the cat giving it's express written permission, slap him hard for feline harassment. Mark one designated spot in the yard where he can leave his bike. If he leaves it anywhere else, padlock it and demand $50 to release it. If he offends more than three times, confiscate the bike, sell it, and keep the money.

Install a CCTV in your son's bedroom and also record all his telephone conversations. If he protests, accuse him of "having something to hide". Explain that only criminals seek privacy and that good, dutiful children relinquish their privacy in exchange for the advantages which protective parenthood offers. Remind him of the boy across town who was caught smoking grass in his bedroom by just such a CCTV system, and explain that this precedent justifies installing the CCTV in all teenagers' bedrooms. Lie to your child constantly. Teach him that words means nothing - or rather that the meanings of words are continually "evolving", and may be tomorrow the opposite of what they are today.

Have a word with his teachers at school and ask them to share any merit marks, your son achieves, with any ethnic minority students who did not get any merit marks. If he questions this policy, explain that long ago we abused the ancestors of these people, and so it is only fair that he shares the merits around to compensate their descendants. This is also probably a good time to tell him that his energy, talent and enthusiasm will not secure him a job if the quota of such "abused people" has not yet been filled. Tell him that his talent stands for nothing - it is fairness and sharing which are important. Remind him that his primary duty is to share the happiness and welfare to people he does not know, and will never meet.

Ban any cutlery from your home and make your son eat with his fingers. If he asks why, remind him of the youth who stabbed a cat to death last week with a fork. Explain that if just one cat is saved by the banning of cutlery, then this prohibition will be justified. If he protests, question him closely about why he is intending to kill innocent cats, or accuse him of being a cat hater.

Issue him with a pass card which he must show before he can enter the house. Stand guard at the front door. When he comes home, politely but firmly take him into the spare room and question him about his movements. Ask him how much cash he has on his person. If in excess of $50, confiscate the lot as it exceeds the house rule for maximum cash allowed. Then search his rucksack and pockets. To keep him guessing, do the occasional strip search. If he protests, detain him for longer and make the more thorough, so-called invasive search with a surgical rubber glove in your hand. Lubrication of the forefinger is preferable but not essential. If he gets really angry at this, hold him in a locked room until he misses his next outing or party.

Sounds these methods harsh? I am being cruel only to be kind. I think it is important for children to understand the Nature of the Society in which we live today and especially tomorrow.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 17 May 2005, 18:58:46

Damn, k_sem, this wouldn't be so depressing it it wasn't true!
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Unread postby sklump » Thu 19 May 2005, 12:57:42

You're not wrong.

But do be leery of "The One True Nature" arguments. "The" makes assumptions. One aspect of government is tyranny. There may be others.
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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby Raxozanne » Thu 19 May 2005, 14:20:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Sounds these methods harsh? I am being cruel only to be kind. I think it is important for children to understand the Nature of the Society in which we live today and especially tomorrow.


I don't know some people will refuse to see the truth even if you shine it in their eyes.

Also I would be careful doing this sort of thing to someone as it could easliy lead to depression and depression can lead to suicide.
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 19 May 2005, 14:39:58

I think it would be more likely that they would "go nuts" and kill the opressor, and destoy any of the opressor's belongings that reminded the victim of the opressor. Then the people would wonder what happened and why he went nuts with no provacation. After all, the government does it, and the sheeple don't say anything about it. Those few who do resist are made examples of by the government in order to further strike fear of revolt into the population. Little is the population aware that if everyone were to resist the efforts of tyranny, the government would be out on thie street faster that I wrote this paragraph.
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Unread postby sklump » Thu 19 May 2005, 14:45:10

Should be required reading somewhere before Grade 10:
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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 19 May 2005, 15:09:44

:lol: Dude you've watched way to many Jack Handy bits on SNL!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ' ')He is too young to understand the benefits of democracy, so explain this wonderful and legitimate system as follows: You, your wife and his brother get together and vote that your son should have all privileges removed, be caned, and confined to his room for a week.


Ok. Got to nit pick here a bit. What you described above is how things would function in a democracy. The US is not a democracy. It is a representative plutocracy. The US system would be that everyone had voted and selected you as president and you therefore get to make all the rules.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'S')ounds these methods harsh? I am being cruel only to be kind. I think it is important for children to understand the Nature of the Society in which we live today and especially tomorrow.

You do realize of course that even though you're joking, just by posting this you risk Child Protective Services from the real government coming to your house and seizing your kid "For his own good"?
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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby k_semler » Thu 19 May 2005, 16:08:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ':')lol: Dude you've watched way to many Jack Handy bits on SNL!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ' ')He is too young to understand the benefits of democracy, so explain this wonderful and legitimate system as follows: You, your wife and his brother get together and vote that your son should have all privileges removed, be caned, and confined to his room for a week.


Ok. Got to nit pick here a bit. What you described above is how things would function in a democracy. The US is not a democracy. It is a representative plutocracy. The US system would be that everyone had voted and selected you as president and you therefore get to make all the rules.


I would classify it closer to an oligarchial plutocracy on a nationwide basis, and still close to a republic in some localities. Some states, (WA), have voter approved initiatives, so this would fall under the democratic system, while dead people and felons voted for the governer, so this would just fall under corruption of the election system.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'S')ounds these methods harsh? I am being cruel only to be kind. I think it is important for children to understand the Nature of the Society in which we live today and especially tomorrow.

You do realize of course that even though you're joking, just by posting this you risk Child Protective Services from the real government coming to your house and seizing your kid "For his own good"?


Probably if I had offspring. However, I do not intend to ever do so for a variety of reasons ranging from my belief that I would be an unfit father, to children being a negetive ROI. So if they take my invisible, non-existant children away from me, that is fine. (Considering they do not exist).
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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 19 May 2005, 17:38:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ' ')children being a negetive ROI.

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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby arretium » Thu 19 May 2005, 17:50:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ' ')children being a negetive ROI.

:lol:


Maybe but they change your life in so many positive ways by bringing such joy to your life. You'd be surprised how good of a father you'd probably be. I can't imagine life without my children now. I don't even want to go back.
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Re: How to Teach the True Nature of Government

Unread postby TheTurtle » Thu 19 May 2005, 18:00:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ' ')children being a negetive ROI.

:lol:


Maybe but they change your life in so many positive ways by bringing such joy to your life. You'd be surprised how good of a father you'd probably be. I can't imagine life without my children now. I don't even want to go back.


Agreed.
Plus as you grow a bit less spry and they grow into young adults, their EROEI can be very good. :-D
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 19 May 2005, 18:12:44

If I were to invest the same amount of time, money, and effort into a 401k plan that is requred to raise a child, then I would be a millionare in 20 years. I would sooner gratify myself than waste money on something that will never return an equal amount of energy and income that I have invested in it. I could literally cash my paycheck, and spend half of it on beer and I would get the same return I would if it were spent on a child.
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Unread postby highlander » Thu 19 May 2005, 18:12:51

rant/About our WA "citizens initiatives" The ones we have passed to limit government have died of 1000 cuts. If we don't renew our initiatives in a short period of time (about five years I think), they become void. And when we limit gov't in one area, they find six others to "get even" with us ignorant rabble. Notice our "governor" who pledged no new taxes. She instituted a 10.00 sur-charge on all county documents "to help homeless people", she expanded our death tax, so more family farms will be sold to support "our" government. She raised "sin" taxes, gas taxes, etc. etc. etc.
All this knowing the King County elections fraud would limit her to one term, but no worries, the sheeple of this state know the democrats always take care of their own, cause their shop stewards told them so/end rant

I swear semler, you and I could be related, but since I work for the most detested agency in the state, I'll never met you cause you would have to shoot me :shock:
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 19 May 2005, 19:45:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'r')ant/About our WA "citizens initiatives" The ones we have passed to limit government have died of 1000 cuts. If we don't renew our initiatives in a short period of time (about five years I think), they become void. And when we limit gov't in one area, they find six others to "get even" with us ignorant rabble. Notice our "governor" who pledged no new taxes. She instituted a 10.00 sur-charge on all county documents "to help homeless people", she expanded our death tax, so more family farms will be sold to support "our" government. She raised "sin" taxes, gas taxes, etc. etc. etc.
All this knowing the King County elections fraud would limit her to one term, but no worries, the sheeple of this state know the democrats always take care of their own, cause their shop stewards told them so/end rant.


I agree. Our citizen initiative program is far from perfect, and the election process in this state is corrupt to the point of no repair. This election cycle has personally turned me off for ever voting for a Democrat again. I would sooner vote for Ho Chi Mihn.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') swear semler, you and I could be related, but since I work for the most detested agency in the state, I'll never met you cause you would have to shoot me :shock:


You work in the governer's office? :shudder:
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 19 May 2005, 20:06:25

The notion that I need some sort of paperwork to identify who I am at all times and that not having this piece of paper is frowned upon makes me uncomfortable. I often wonder, why did my parents, and their parents, and their parents (going back to 1800ish) feel the need to sell my rights in exchange for a few kickbacks?

Oh well, at least PO means the end of The Fed...

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Unread postby arretium » Thu 19 May 2005, 20:25:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'r')ant/About our WA "citizens initiatives" The ones we have passed to limit government have died of 1000 cuts. If we don't renew our initiatives in a short period of time (about five years I think), they become void. And when we limit gov't in one area, they find six others to "get even" with us ignorant rabble. Notice our "governor" who pledged no new taxes. She instituted a 10.00 sur-charge on all county documents "to help homeless people", she expanded our death tax, so more family farms will be sold to support "our" government. She raised "sin" taxes, gas taxes, etc. etc. etc.
All this knowing the King County elections fraud would limit her to one term, but no worries, the sheeple of this state know the democrats always take care of their own, cause their shop stewards told them so/end rant

I swear semler, you and I could be related, but since I work for the most detested agency in the state, I'll never met you cause you would have to shoot me :shock:


Thread taken over by pissed off Washingtonians
I have a real problem with Govenor Gregoire's budget. It's time we cut our losses and stop funding the unsustainable: medicare/medicaid/hospital expenses. In 1 year, we'll have the same problem again. We won't have enough money to pay for everything. This problem has been going on for years. If I was a legislature, I sure as hell would have voted no for that budget.

I also have problems with other areas...like Teachers getting a 1.2% pay raise? Did you know that the state raised the health care premium that teachers must pay so they will in effect make even less dollars than they do now? That insults me. Especially after we voted for the cigarette tax to fund education. It infuriates me. So I join my radical right wing wack peak oil washingtonians in my disdain for the state budget. But, I do disgaree on many issues with you guys, most likely:

the gas tax. I'm all for it. It should have been 50 cents.
estate/death tax - you bet. It only affects the rich. Anyone that says otherwise lies.

My biggest problem with the budget is we didn't have to increase sin taxes or other fees because we should have cut health care. The state can't afford annual 10-12% increases. Virtually no one can except the rich.

I agree with you on sin taxes.
I agree with you on the budget in general.
I disagree on gas taxes.
I disagree on estate taxes.
now... I TOTALLY AGREE with you on the initiatives. It's insulting, infuriating, and it further proves we don't have a say in our government.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 19 May 2005, 21:13:28

I'm not from Washington, can I chime in here? I'm reading Catton's book 'Overshoot'. One of the themes is that the freedoms American's had in the past were the result of living in an Age of Exuberence when the carrying capacity of European Civilization became vastly expanded as a result of kicking the Indians out of their place in this hemisphere and making all that room to grow. No room to grow = no more freedom. Maybe not overnight, but as we find our numbers expanded way past carrying capacity and with no more room to grow and with resources depleted or depleting fast guess what disappears? you guessed it: freedom.
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Unread postby highlander » Fri 20 May 2005, 01:18:38

arretium:
welcome to the whacky world of the right wing loonies 8O

IF the gas tax was used to promote alternatives to petroleum, I'd agree to a major tax height. Instead, it's going to rebuild an overpriced highway that will be destroyed by the first major earthquake in the puget sound area.

I guess if you consider equity in land as riches, yes the death tax only affects the rich. So "rich" farmers heirs have to sell their ranch/farm to con-agra etc. to pay their taxes. That is all wrong.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 May 2005, 01:28:20

k_semler"
why you wasting your time with these left-wing wackos? :roll:
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 20 May 2005, 01:39:26

As long as I have the opportunity, I will forever vote against any increase in taxes, and always vote for a reduction in tax. The reason is very simple, it effects me. Gas tax? I buy gas, and make only $0.50 over minimum wage, so I cannot afford it anyhow. Cigarette tax? I smoke, and Camel cigarettes are already expensive enough. (Granted, I usually buy smokes in Idaho, but that is not the point.) $30.00 car tabs? You bet, Vehicle registration is already too extensive. Yes, beggars can't be choosers, but commercial use vehicles should not be included in this. An increase for teachers? Sure, they have to put up with the little hell-demons all day while you don't, why shouldn't they get a raise? Teachers don't get paid enough as it is. Increase for thiner health insurance? No, they don't make enough money to compensate for it. Death tax? I think not. My father owns 3 square miles of farm land. This is 1,920 acres of very fertile farm land. At $1500 per acre, (which would be very cheap here), this land would sell for $2,880,000.00. Do I have that kind of money to spend taxes on? I think not. However, with the current death tax, I would have to pay 15% of the value of the land, or $432,000. I personally do not have that cash just laying around, and as a matter of fact, if my life were dependent upon getting that amount of assets, I am afraid I would be put to death, because I could simply not come up with that amount of money. I think the estate tax should be repealed. The government gets too much money as it is without any labor involved. Why should I give them one red cent of mine if I do not feel that they earned it?
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