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Unread postby bruin » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:00:58

Many people are dead for Newsweek's yellow journalism.

Ban Newsweek.



Or do some of you think Newsweek got strong armed into retracting?

I say they are trying to sell their rag and hyping up the stories as much as they can.
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Re: Ban Newseek

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:05:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'B')an Newsweek.


LOL! Did you forget that we live in a country where every president in our life times has been a pathologically lying sack of sh-t? And you're worried about a bit of yellow journalism from Newsweek? Give me a break. Thousands of people die every week because of lying politicians. Ban them. Then talk to me about Newsweek.
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Unread postby Egon_1 » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:12:17

I am 110% with smallpoxgirl.

The journalists are NOT the problem, the politicians are.
The actions of the U.S. government have cost more people their lives than the actions of all the journalists in history.
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Unread postby Carrie » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:19:08

I think Newsweek was trying to be sensational, but they said the source was a senior government official. My gut tells me that they got hung out to dry by this official, who became alarmed by the global reaction & backed off. They took a risk by only using one unnamed source & paid for it.

I'm concerned, though, that this could create a chilling effect for other publications. They may think twice before publishing something that casts the government in a bad light.
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Unread postby BitterSweetCrude » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:44:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carrie', 'I') think Newsweek was trying to be sensational, but they said the source was a senior government official. My gut tells me that they got hung out to dry by this official, who became alarmed by the global reaction & backed off. They took a risk by only using one unnamed source & paid for it.

I'm concerned, though, that this could create a chilling effect for other publications. They may think twice before publishing something that casts the government in a bad light.


Maybe I'm confused, I thought the media and government had become one entity in the last 10 years.
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Unread postby nero » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:46:24

The thing is, it is a totally plausible story. And even now I don't disbelieve it because I don't trust the American government to be straight with us. That's what they get for throwing out some 800 years of legal precedent. If the American (and Canadian) governement wasn't so willing to tear up the constitution in the name of security I would have more faith in their denial.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BitterSweetCrude', 'M')aybe I'm confused, I thought the media and government had become one entity in the last 10 years.


No. You had it right. They just yell and call eachother names from time to time so the sheeple forget they're they're parts of the same beast. Sort of like the Democrats and Republicans.
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Unread postby BitterSweetCrude » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:57:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BitterSweetCrude', 'M')aybe I'm confused, I thought the media and government had become one entity in the last 10 years.


No. You had it right. They just yell and call eachother names from time to time so the sheeple forget they're they're parts of the same beast. Sort of like the Democrats and Republicans.


Totally, both political parties are complete loads of trash.
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Unread postby JLK » Mon 16 May 2005, 21:57:25

I think Newsweek has the story about right, but they agreed to fall on their sword at the request of the White House for the good of the country.
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Unread postby RonMN » Mon 16 May 2005, 22:02:52

NO! dont "ban" newsweek!!! I truely believe in the freedom of speech so I WILL NOT BUY NEWSWEEK!!! THAT's where it's gonna hurt them the most!

They have shown NO responsibility in reporting so i will not BUY their magazine...but don't "ban" them...that will just sielence what we don't want sielenced (and set a dangerous precident).
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Unread postby Mo_Oil_Dave » Mon 16 May 2005, 22:07:21

Hello there...

If you are going to punish Newsweek, please do so for the right reason. Do it because they only got the story half right and only reported half of it. An old story at that...

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959

I hope this helps.
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Unread postby khebab » Mon 16 May 2005, 23:20:37

A few weeks ago I watched a british show about Guantanamo bay aired on a canadian TV channel. The show was about a "simulation" of the life of prisonners inside the facility based in part on the testimony of five british detainees that were released.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Guantanamo Guidebook was made by Channel 4 using declassified documents about the US camp, producers said.

The methods used on seven volunteers in the show included religious and sexual humiliation, forced nudity, sleep deprivation and extreme temperatures.


U.K. reality TV to test 'Guantanamo' techniques

the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse is really boy scout stuff compared to that. I believe that newsweek story is highly plausible.

I wished that show could be broadcast in the US!
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Unread postby jaws » Mon 16 May 2005, 23:54:33

Ban weekly world news, their unfounded rumours about the president being a pawn of satan threatens the world's security.
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Unread postby Daculling » Tue 17 May 2005, 09:25:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BitterSweetCrude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BitterSweetCrude', 'M')aybe I'm confused, I thought the media and government had become one entity in the last 10 years.


No. You had it right. They just yell and call eachother names from time to time so the sheeple forget they're they're parts of the same beast. Sort of like the Democrats and Republicans.


Totally, both political parties are complete loads of trash.


Both well stated.

Concering the actual abuse... christians are persecuted all over the muslim world. Why would you hold the U.S goverment as a higher moral athourity? I certainly don't. None of this should be surprising. Nothing to see here, please move along...
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Unread postby gg3 » Wed 18 May 2005, 07:54:21

Bruin, cut the crap; what part of the First Amendment don't you understand?

Newsweek had a Pentagon spokesperson review the story for accuracy. He suggested some other corrections but didn't comment on the Koran-flushing incident. This gave Newsweek reason to believe it was correct.

If you're really concerned with deaths due to lies, how'bout you raise some noise about 1,600 US soldiers dead, 15,000 wounded, and countless hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, all due to some clever official lies about Saddam having WMDs, eh?

Pot, kettle, black.
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Unread postby arretium » Wed 18 May 2005, 14:16:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'B')ruin, cut the crap; what part of the First Amendment don't you understand?

Newsweek had a Pentagon spokesperson review the story for accuracy. He suggested some other corrections but didn't comment on the Koran-flushing incident. This gave Newsweek reason to believe it was correct.

If you're really concerned with deaths due to lies, how'bout you raise some noise about 1,600 US soldiers dead, 15,000 wounded, and countless hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, all due to some clever official lies about Saddam having WMDs, eh?

Pot, kettle, black.


I personally thought the Senior Gov't Official was in the White House. I further thought the Senior Gov't official intentionally misled Newsweek in order to create this situation.

But really? What's the problem here? Newsweek didn't lie. S2 - The Senior Gov't Official did. Newsweek deserves some criticism for relying on the unnamed gov't source, but do they deserve criticism for S2 lying?

Personally, I've always thought of Newsweek as a right of center magazine. I think their criticism of Bush and the Iraq War come with a heavy dose of self-censorship, and hence, I don't bother reading their magazine. But I disagree they discredited themselves. The grandstanding by the White House, who (you may recall) also relied on an anonymous source regarding the Mobile Chemical Stations (which later proved to be wrong), is insulting. So is all the other media's focus on Newsweek and we haven't even gotten to the right wing wackos Fox News/National Review/Weekly Standard/Rush Limbaugh (in order of escalating degree of lies) coverage of this non story.
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Unread postby threadbear » Wed 18 May 2005, 14:20:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carrie', 'I') think Newsweek was trying to be sensational, but they said the source was a senior government official. My gut tells me that they got hung out to dry by this official, who became alarmed by the global reaction & backed off. They took a risk by only using one unnamed source & paid for it.

I'm concerned, though, that this could create a chilling effect for other publications. They may think twice before publishing something that casts the government in a bad light.


It was a set up. Pay back time, for Newsweek, among other things exposing just how deeply nutcase fundamentalist Christian, Bush is. When I read the article a couple of years ago, I wondered what the payback would be. Karl Rove's fat-boy frat-boy fingerprints all over this one.
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Unread postby bruin » Wed 18 May 2005, 14:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'B')ruin, cut the crap; what part of the First Amendment don't you understand?

Newsweek had a Pentagon spokesperson review the story for accuracy. He suggested some other corrections but didn't comment on the Koran-flushing incident. This gave Newsweek reason to believe it was correct.

If you're really concerned with deaths due to lies, how'bout you raise some noise about 1,600 US soldiers dead, 15,000 wounded, and countless hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, all due to some clever official lies about Saddam having WMDs, eh?

Pot, kettle, black.


Sure, WMD was a bunch of BS too. We could spend all day pointing out lies from all kinds of people. Let's limit our talk to Newsweek.

Newsweek had 2 contacts review this article: one said no comment, the other is what you are referring to. When these contacts don't say anything it's either because they simply don't know or they don't want to put their hat in the ring on the issue.

In otherwords they did not have any corroboration on the story. They shouldn't have published the story. Not on something this explosive. It was wrong.

Should we blame Newsweek for a bunch crazy Afgans killing each other over a small Newsweek article? No.

Should we make sure our press prints accurate information? Yes. Is this censorship? No. It's making sure our press is accurate.

Why do you think the New York Times was so embarrased when one of their key reporters turned out to be fabricating stories? Because it was wrong.

60 minutes did the same crap happened before the US elections. Published forged docuements about Bush's war history. They we're so bent on making a splash that they ended up making bad decisions. If you're into conspiracies you would say they plotted to change the elections. But we all know that is not possible from the left wing. Only the right could do such a thing.
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Re: Ban Newseek

Unread postby bruin » Wed 18 May 2005, 14:52:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'B')an Newsweek.


LOL! Did you forget that we live in a country where every president in our life times has been a pathologically lying sack of sh-t? And you're worried about a bit of yellow journalism from Newsweek? Give me a break. Thousands of people die every week because of lying politicians. Ban them. Then talk to me about Newsweek.


Presidents are pathological liars, therefore anybody else in the public can lie until the president does not. Great logic.
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Unread postby arretium » Wed 18 May 2005, 15:41:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'W')e could spend all day pointing out lies from all kinds of people. Let's limit our talk to Newsweek.


I just pointed out to you that Newsweek didn't lie. S2 lied. Althought S2 didn't even really lie die s/he? It's more like the person wasn't sure.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hould we make sure our press prints accurate information? Yes. Is this censorship? No. It's making sure our press is accurate.


First, why do you think they bothered to have the Pentagon review it? It sure wasn't because they were being nice. They wanted to make sure it was accurate. Both the Pentagon and Newsweek had a self interest in ensuring the accuracy of the information.

Short of what Newsweek already did, what exactly are you proposing that Newsweek and other medias should do to ensure that these type of stories are more accurate?
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