[Sixstrings]

Was looking for Libya war news and got curious about what moveon.org has to say. I remember them being so strongly anti-war during the Bush years. They really kept up the fight on that.

So I checked it out:
http://front.moveon.org/

And the weird thing is.. they don't have a single thing to say now about the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Libya, or the latest push for regime change in Syria.

Instead it's all stuff like this:

"What Obamacare Has Done For Me"

"Where Did Fox's Viewers Go?"

"How A Birther Sees Obama's Birth Certificate"

Meanwhile, we still have soldiers dying in Iraq:
April deadliest month for US in Iraq since 2009
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.279588144c0fd58d312ca2e921687d3b.681&show_article=1

So what's up with this? How is it possible that what used to be THE pre-eminent anti-war movement just forgot all about their anti-war views? You'd think they'd have some kind of opinion about all this war going on..

I could understand a passionate defense of humanitarian war, or looking on the bright side of war, maybe even flipping to pro-war, but no opinion at all? Very strange.

[MontrealMichelle]

Good point Six Strings. Clearly that whole organization was just a campaign sales tool. I confess, they had me fooled in the beginning too.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')as looking for Libya war news and got curious about what moveon.org has to say. I remember them being so strongly anti-war during the Bush years. They really kept up the fight on that.

So I checked it out:
http://front.moveon.org/

And the weird thing is.. they don't have a single thing to say now about the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Libya, or the latest push for regime change in Syria.

Instead it's all stuff like this:

"What Obamacare Has Done For Me"

"Where Did Fox's Viewers Go?"

"How A Birther Sees Obama's Birth Certificate"

Meanwhile, we still have soldiers dying in Iraq:
April deadliest month for US in Iraq since 2009
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.279588144c0fd58d312ca2e921687d3b.681&show_article=1

So what's up with this? How is it possible that what used to be THE pre-eminent anti-war movement just forgot all about their anti-war views? You'd think they'd have some kind of opinion about all this war going on..

I could understand a passionate defense of humanitarian war, or looking on the bright side of war, maybe even flipping to pro-war, but no opinion at all? Very strange.

[Sixstrings]

Gee, this a quiet thread. Listen, you can even hear the crickets.

Where did all the anti-war Left go? FEMA camps? They're just.. missing.. it's spooky.

[PrestonSturges]

I'm too lazy to dig up the quote but Popper wrote that one of the hallmarks of authoritarians is that they claim to have conquered moral relativism. He wrote that around 1945.

I think it goes without saying that the other half of that equation is that authoritarians declare something with one hand and do the opposite with the other hand.

In other words, claiming to be free from hypocracy is merely a declaration that hypocracy is their religion, and claiming to be free of hypocracy is a sort of meta hypocracy for full time hypocrites.

[Pretorian]

they are right there , hidin, waitin for a republican in the WH

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')here did all the anti-war Left go? FEMA camps? They're just.. missing.. it's spooky.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')There never was much of an anti-war movement..

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') am calling you on that one, Dad.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')n other words, claiming to be free from hypocracy is merely a declaration that hypocracy is their religion, and claiming to be free of hypocracy is a sort of meta hypocracy for full time hypocrites.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')e can complain and blog all we want but it makes no difference. We are trained poodles in suburban ghettos.

[Lore]

I once dreamt I was an elephant for Sabu.

[ColossalContrarian]

Obama has done a very good job of making the anti-war folks look like complete asses. He throws them under the bus and they still rally behind him. I don't think there's anything he can do to look bad in some peoples eyes.

He's so good at being pro-war he doesn't even need congregational approval to go to war.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I') once dreamt I was an elephant for Sabu.

[dohboi]

So let me get this straight: the people who encouraged us to get into two disastrous quagmires of wars, and those who just sat by and let it happen--that is those people most responsible for these fiascoes--they all get a nice big pass.

But the people who cried out against this madness, many of whom continued to do so for many years, standing in the rain and snow, holding signs week after week wherever they wouldn't be arrested for doing so--these are the people we are now accusing of 'hypocrisy' because most have finally--after ten long years--grown as tired and jaded as the rest of us.

Well, that's just great. What a very high horse some around here seem to be prancing around on while they look down on those who are obviously their moral inferiors.

Quite pathetic, actually.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'S')o let me get this straight: the people who encouraged us to get into two THREE disastrous quagmires of wars

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'B')ut the people who cried out against this madness, many of whom continued to do so for many years, standing in the rain and snow, holding signs week after week wherever they wouldn't be arrested for doing so--these are the people we are now accusing of 'hypocrisy' because most have finally--after ten long years--grown as tired and jaded as the rest of us.