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Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 10:10:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is truly astounding, worse than I could've imagined.

You're not going to believe what you've been eating the last few years (thanks, Bush! thanks meat industry lobbyists!) when you eat a McDonald's burger (or the hamburger patties in kids' school lunches) or buy conventional ground meat at your supermarket:

According to today's New York Times, The "majority of hamburger" now sold in the U.S. now contains fatty slaughterhouse trimmings "the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil," "typically including most of the material from the outer surfaces of the carcass" that contains "larger microbiological populations."

This "nasty pink slime," as one FDA microbiologist called it, is now wrung in a centrifuge to remove the fat, and then treated with AMMONIA to "retard spoilage," and turned into "a mashlike substance frozen into blocks or chips".

Thus saving THREE CENTS a pound off production costs. And making the company, Beef Products Inc., a fortune. $440 million/year in revenue. Ain't that something?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/1/821105/-Yummy!-Ammonia-treated-pink-slime-now-in-most-U.S.-ground-beef


In the "devastating pets" thread, I made the point that dog food contains only the meat trimmings not fit for human consumption. Well, little did I know that apparently I've been eating this dog food grade quality meat for a couple years now. Yuck.

Then again, is this really as gross as it sounds? What part of the cow does the "pink slime" come from exactly? Is it harmful to eat ammonia?

In any event, if this "pink slime" is crawling with e coli and all kinds of other pathogens, we shouldn't be using it. All to save 3 cents per pound, makes me want to puke. Just more of the same, the Walmart credo of cheaper, cheaper, cheaper.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 10:14:26

Disgusting!

I'm so glad that for the last 5 years we've been eating grass fed beef grown on the farm next to ours. No hormones, no chemicals, just good clean low fat beef.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Roy » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 10:48:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m so glad that for the last 5 years we've been eating grass fed beef grown on the farm next to ours. No hormones, no chemicals, just good clean low fat beef.


Good for you! I am doing the same thing, only the farm is 3 miles away.

If more people would vote with their wallets, it would change the way food is supplied to us. Even if it didn't, more people would be healthier if they ate natural meat instead of the CAFO created, corn=fed garbage in the grocery store. And less money would be getting into the pockets of the people who would perpetrate this type of scheme on an unsuspecting public who believes that their food supply is safe and good for them.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 19:31:59

Does it even matter...its all corn when it comes down to it...GMO stuff :) yum!
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby jbrovont » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 19:45:08

That lovely article pretty much made me want to puke.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby VZR1800 » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 21:23:49

Cook it on the grill, make sure it gets nice and hot, well done not rare. It'll all boil off and you'll be good to go. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 01:01:24

buy rump steak ( usually the same cost as ground beef where I shop.. then take it to the butcher in the bnack of the store and watch while you have it ground with no additives... lean but helthy ground beef.. My grocer grinds it for free
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 01:48:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'b')uy rump steak ( usually the same cost as ground beef where I shop.. then take it to the butcher in the bnack of the store and watch while you have it ground with no additives... lean but helthy ground beef.. My grocer grinds it for free


Hm, that's a really good idea. I'll have to try that, after reading this article I can't buy ground beef anymore (I was already iffy about it, since they started using that gas stuff so the meat stays red even when it's spoiling).

Unfortunately, this doesn't help the millions of kids who eat school lunches and Mcdonalds. Besides the yuck factor, the danger with the "pink slime" is really kids dying from e coli. The use of these pathogen-riddled trimmings needlessly increases the risk of getting sick from ground beef. All it takes is one teenager working at Wendy's to get sloppy and not thoroughly cook your pink slime burger.
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Unread postby eastbay » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 03:23:59

Sheesh. For some of us this isn't a concern at all. Well, except for paying a bit more in taxes and medical costs to repair those who fall ill from eating this stuff.

But if I may expand a bit into mass behavior, it's like so much bizarre human thought in western society. It's realy no surprise probably 98% of the population eats this sort of stuff. Even after reading about it they'll continue to crave this eating stuff.

I mean, please consider in a country like the USA where 98% vote for more war electing people who allow this is totally no surprise.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby timmac » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 04:53:53

Yum Cheeseburger..

A Cheeseburger Song..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLjphhzDDrY
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Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 11:18:55

The really horrible thing about this is that this stuff is being sent to elementary schools, where people think their children are being served good food for lunch. Some of these kids get nothing else to eat during the day but what they get at school. It's sickening that people would feed garbage to children to save a few pennies a pound.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 12:28:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m so glad that for the last 5 years we've been eating grass fed beef grown on the farm next to ours. No hormones, no chemicals, just good clean low fat beef.


Good for you! I am doing the same thing, only the farm is 3 miles away.


How does one go about finding an organic, local meat supplier? I don't eat much beef, but it would still be good to find when I do my bi-monthly stocking. Do you just call all the butcher shops in the area?
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 16:37:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m so glad that for the last 5 years we've been eating grass fed beef grown on the farm next to ours. No hormones, no chemicals, just good clean low fat beef.


Good for you! I am doing the same thing, only the farm is 3 miles away.


How does one go about finding an organic, local meat supplier? I don't eat much beef, but it would still be good to find when I do my bi-monthly stocking. Do you just call all the butcher shops in the area?


Look for the guys in your area who process deer meat.. They usually have friends who raise beef and will sell you half so that your purchase pays the entire processing cost to them. They also have at times deer meat that they processed and then the owner asked them to sell or just didn't return to pick up for budget reasons..

You can usually make friends with a processor and get all you meat and sausage etc from someone you can trust.. In my town there is also a piggly wiggly store which still cuts meat in their local store.
The unnoticed part of what i posted in my town rump steak and ground beef cost the exact same price.. So the 3 cents savings is all going to the processor. PW has bulk purchase ground beef from a mass producer. I will not buy it, I simply go in on Tuesdays ( the meat sale day as new meat is delivered Wednesday every week) and buy up as much of the rump steaks that average 3 pounds as they have to make my monthly ground meat purchase, they grind it while I watch, and I take it home to the freezer.. ( OK OK so because I am now usually gone my mother in law has that job for us.. She knows not to put mass produced ground beef in the freezer.. )

I know several people who raise beef thanks to the local processor, I know which ones are willing to sell me half of the steer they are having processed for their own family...
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 23:39:00

Thanks, the48thronin. :wink:
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Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 23:53:45

I"m definitely going to check out my local processing places. I know there are some folks that raise and sell organic buffalo around here, but I'll have to find out who they are.

I usually go to Costco to get my meat. They use their own cattle lots, evidently. I know nothing about the way they are raised and how unhealthy it is. But the cuts of meat are huge (butterfly pork chops, ribeyes, T-bones, sirloins) and really good quality. I never eat ground beef anywhere unless they say it's organic.

Does anyone know anything untoward about the Costco butcher's meat? The cuts are far superior than what you get in the grocery store here (HEB, etc.) and much cheaper. All cuts are really thick. Sirloin is $5/#, Ribeye is $7/#, Pork Loin is $2.30-2.50/#. The meat is really good quality, but I wonder if anyone else knows more
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Unread postby Kristen » Mon 04 Jan 2010, 07:21:38

This kind of thing has been going on for years, at least in fast food. They have scientists called flavorists that literally make a bunch of chemicals taste like real food. They test everything from how much you salivate to texture and smell. Of course they have no oversight due to trade secrets and competition. No one can say for sure what is in these secret recipes. Just remember that if you add vinegar and water with ammonia you get windex!
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Unread postby MarkJ » Mon 04 Jan 2010, 08:51:31

We don't eat hamburger, but when we buy it for guests, we go to a local meat store that grinds it fresh.

This also helps keep the store in business since sales have decreased substantially after the WalMart SuperCenter opened in their back yard.
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Unread postby highlander » Mon 04 Jan 2010, 16:18:16

Well, while you are all gagging over your meat, just remember the source of the worst ecoli outbreaks over the last few years was.....produce. The farm workers are out doing their thing in the fields and you don't cook the lettuce/tomatoes. Just think about all the little varmits crawling all over your hamburger fixin's next time you start to worry about ammonia treated pink slime.
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Re: Ammonia-treated pink slime now in most U.S. ground beef

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 04 Jan 2010, 22:51:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'W')ell, while you are all gagging over your meat, just remember the source of the worst ecoli outbreaks over the last few years was.....produce. The farm workers are out doing their thing in the fields and you don't cook the lettuce/tomatoes. Just think about all the little varmits crawling all over your hamburger fixin's next time you start to worry about ammonia treated pink slime.


You may have a point there. Even though dog scrap trimmings are crawling with e coli, before it hits your table it is wrung in a centrifuge, bathed in ammonia, and (hopefully) fully cooked.

So it could be the case that uncooked produce is riskier. But again, you're assuming that the ammonia killed all the e coli in the pink slime, and you're also assuming the resulting meat product was fully cooked. That's a big assumption to make when you're talking about minimum wage cooks in the school cafeterias and all the fast food restaurants.

So, I'm still bothered that we're eating what we used to consider only fit for dogs, just to save Walmart and McDonalds the 3 cents per pound. I guess it makes sense we're eating this now, since dog food these days comes form China (remember all that bad food that was killing dogs?), and we give our kids toxic lead Chinese toys, and our walls are toxic Chinese drywall.
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