Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Oil Price Cap Enforced

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Unread postby Trab » Fri 04 Mar 2005, 22:58:06

The current administration has shown that while it will be happy to lure the US into a statist/fascist setup, it will still play favorites. Jack is correct that the elites and the corporates will continue to enjoy the fruits of a high-energy society. It's the lower classes (and in this case, lower is everyone below the top class) who will deal with the rationing and scarcity.

The idea that any large group will voluntarily submit to limits on precious resources without it being forced on them, is noble, but highly unlikely.
User avatar
Trab
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 288
Joined: Thu 28 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: SoWashCo, Minnesota

Re: Oil Price Cap Enforced

Unread postby chris-h » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 03:55:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'I')'ve been thinking that the future may involve an oil price cap being enforced on the world. Think about it, oil gets up too high, and the US or China says this is the max, no matter how little there is. Otherwise we will send in the troops or something insane like that.

Price caps are used on all kinds of products in the world. It is perfectly plausible that this could happen to oil. Price caps won't make more oil, but it will limit the cost of oil until it is gone.

Of course the cap will be relatively high in todays terms, maybe $200 or something.

Remember the assumption out there is that something else will power our cars eventually and it will be cheap, so we deserve to pay only so much for the energy of today.


This would only work if every oil producing nation was freed from undemocracy .
Unfortunately Russia has nukes and will not be freed that easily.
Oh and the other oil producing countries will resist freedom.
Also since giving freedom requires a lot of oil as oil becomes more expensive giving freedom will become more expensive ...
So i guess enforcing an oil cap may be terribly expensive ....
88822-88822=0
chris-h
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 414
Joined: Mon 11 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Unread postby khebab » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 16:50:49

A price cap is a bad idea because it will not slow down demand but artificially maintain an oil buble. A moderately high oil price for a few years is the best thing that could happen to us because it will make other energy alternatives more competitive and will start putting pressure on our way of life. Oil has been dirt cheap for too long now it's time to pay the real price.
khebab
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 899
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Canada

Unread postby bruin » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 15:13:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('khebab', 'A') price cap is a bad idea because it will not slow down demand but artificially maintain an oil buble. A moderately high oil price for a few years is the best thing that could happen to us because it will make other energy alternatives more competitive and will start putting pressure on our way of life. Oil has been dirt cheap for too long now it's time to pay the real price.


I agree tottally. But pressure will mount for one anyways, because the public does not believe we will be running out of oil. It'll be like the price caps in California when Enron was robbing the state blind.
User avatar
bruin
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Thu 09 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: CA, USA

Unread postby bruin » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 15:14:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'T')hen that is were we are heading. A Fascist state. The world won't be a bunch of crazies running shooting each other. If the citizens go nuts to keep their SUVs, the US goverment will envoke emergency powers and burn their SUVs.

There will be rationing and price caps. There is no assumption here about it being a nice world.


:lol: :lol: :lol: What a delightful sense of humor you have!

You're telling us that the U.S. Government will suddenly turn on its more affluent citizens - the ones who write nice checks to political campaigns, the ones who vote, the ones who own businesses that pay big taxes and employ people?

Oh, come now. The affluent will live well, just as they always have. 8)



We've got to define affluent. Joe Blow making less then $200k a year is going to be herded in the with the rest of us. Those with a solid $1M will have all kinds of perks, they'll just pay more taxes.

So what percentage of the population make more the $200k? or $1M? For > $200k it's something like .5% (1.25M people). For > $1M it'll be even less. So yes, that group will just pay "Guzzler Taxes" but they'll still riding around in their SUV's on their way to play golf.

But for the rest, get in line. Who was wainting in the gas lines in the 1970's? How much did you have to make to afford missing those lines?
User avatar
bruin
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Thu 09 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: CA, USA

Unread postby Jack » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 15:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'H')ow much did you have to make to afford missing those lines?


Enough to pay minimum wage for a couple of hours per fill-up... 8)
Jack
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4929
Joined: Wed 11 Aug 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Unread postby bruin » Tue 08 Mar 2005, 19:12:15

Our government in action:

"OPEC is going to look out for OPEC. The question is whether this administration is going to stand up for the American consumer," Wyden said in a Senate floor speech. "I don't think it's right to let OPEC run roughshod over the American consumer."



This is at only $55 a barrel. Of course we are going to strong arm a cap.
User avatar
bruin
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Thu 09 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: CA, USA


Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron