[PolestaR]

Well, why would you trust going to a germ factory (hospital) to heal yourself to begin with. It's like going to a leper colony to find mountain climbers, you'd have mountains full of swinging arms.

But yeah, most of the medical industry is bull shit because they want people to be sick, and continually be sick to ensure they have an ongoing business model. It's well known cures don't sell that well, but drugs which remove symptoms do!

The other factor about surgeons, is they are using sharp items to cut you up. One little slip and you could be dead. I still don't know why people with steady hands (and not necessarily the intelligence) aren't surgeons. I would prefer someone with steady hands and great dexterity over a smart doctor with average dexterity. You can always train people to do mechanical things. Something I read said about 35% of surgery deaths is due to the surgeon making a mistake. And that's probably a low number to make them look not so incompetent, like "well it was a risky procedure anyhow, it couldn't be helped".

[Zardoz]

CDC Life Expectancy Chart





Any questions?

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus06.pdf#027]CDC Life Expectancy Chart[/url]





Any questions?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus06.pdf#027]CDC Life Expectancy Chart[/url]





Any questions?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus06.pdf#027]CDC Life Expectancy Chart[/url]





Any questions?

[peaker_2005]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus06.pdf#027]CDC Life Expectancy Chart[/url]





Any questions?

[Ludi]

This chart reflects infant survival primarily.

[kadoomsoon]

TExtrapolation is usually incorrect.

[Falconoffury]

Bill Maher on HBO had a good rant against prescription drugs last Friday. Some of the researchers have a conflict of interest because they are paid to give results that are favorable for the drug companies. You must look at a wide variety of research from around the world if you want to see the truth.

I have read some interesting books that state most disease is caused by toxins in the body and nutritional deficiencies. Drugs add toxins to the body. For me, the big threat is codex. It is the most frightening attack on our rights I've ever seen.

[cynthia]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', ' ')Drugs add toxins to the body. For me, the big threat is codex. It is the most frightening attack on our rights I've ever seen.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynthia', 'P')lease explain. I wikied "codex" and didn't see anything scary there unless you have a fear of books.

[dukey]

This little true story sums up nicely what I think of modern medicine.

A friend on mine his grandad was in hospital dying, and we was given a week or 2 to live. Because of this they took him off his meds and sent him to a home or something to die. And guess what happened ? He got better. They were actually killing him with prescription drugs.

I am not saying, all modern medicine is bad, if you break your leg or cut yourself open they will generally do a good job. But you have to understand that nutrition is the most important thing for human health. Doctors aren't even taught nutrition anymore, they are taught how to be drug dispensers. In the UK 1/60th of the population ends up in hospital every year due to drugs messing them up, this includes members of my own family. This is a truely ridiculous statistic ..

But it gets worse than that, modern medicine has been hyjacked by forces of evil. Convincing people that mercury in vaccines is good ? Paid for by the federal government ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20IhxCzeuDU

Words just cant describe how fucked up this is.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'D')ue to the cartesian reductionism inherent in scientific method, modern medicine is incapable of dealing with the complexity of most illnesses. It is useful for trauma and some other acute situations, but is hopeless at dealing with complex systems.

This isn't a problem in itself, so long as you are aware of it. The problem is that modern medicine has given itself the status of sole arbiter in the health arena, without delivering the goods.

[Pretorian]

i remember talking to one 95-years old woman from the village my mother was born at. She said she never went to a doctor, despite that she was sick multiple times in her life. She aslo said that everyone she had ever known who went to a doctor even once, died early. ( That will be, less than 75-80 years of age )
The woman dies at 101. My grandma from that village saw a doctor for the first time when she was 85, died at 92. Another grandma lived till 86 without seeing any doctor or taking any pill. They DID NOT have an exeptional health comparing with other people who lived there.

[worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lease note from your own chart, life expectency went up by over 20 years from 1900-1950 but from 1950-2004 it only increased 10.

[pitbull]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd what happens in those extra years?

You sit in a room like a vegetable and eat horrible food, possibly in terrible pain, and everyone treats you like a child.

[Zardoz]

Boy, my little chart elicited quite the response didn't it?

I had no idea that a 64% increase in life expectancy was such a bad thing. I'm sure glad I know better now.

[smallpoxgirl]

I think the bottom image is particularly interesting. Tanada is exactly right. There is a place on that curve where allopathic medicine actually helps people. The problem right now we Americans are way out on the far right end of that graph where life expectancy actually starts to go down the more money you throw at it. (The US is currently spending $6,100 per person per year on health care.) I, like most of you, voted for option two. You are right to be wary of doctors. Most of them are pedaling expensive, unproven, and in many cases dangerous therapies. 5 out of every 6 dollars are being spent on frivolous things that don't increase your life expectancy. Then again. I is a doctor, so I hope we're not all evil.

[THEKINGHUBBERT]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he Codex Alimentarius is an international race to the bottom of food and vitamin standards, for the benefit of multinational corporations.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he Codex Alimentarius is an international race to the bottom of food and vitamin standards, for the benefit of multinational corporations.