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Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 11:07:42

Quantum computer closer: Optical transistor made from single molecule

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')iber optics are a typical example for the outstanding data transfer rates of light particles when compared to electrons; however, we still need to generate the necessary encoding of the information using electronically controlled switches, which acts as a bottleneck and slows down the process considerably.

But the research group from ETH Zurich has now achieved a decisive breakthrough by successfully creating an optical transistor with a single molecule, which could harness the full potential of quantum optics.


Seems like I've been reading about a lot of nanotechnology research advances applied to the development of quantum computing lately. Maybe science is closing in on quantum computing and it will be a reality soon. Wow, what a genie out the bottle that could be.

Just a few years ago, QC was considered way, way out there in Jetsonsville. Sure seems nearer now.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 12:02:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'M')aybe science is closing in on quantum computing and it will be a reality soon. Wow, what a genie out the bottle that could be.

Just a few years ago, QC was considered way, way out there in Jetsonsville. Sure seems nearer now.


Experiments are not 'a reality soon', they are just experiments. There are so many problems regarding QC that it will take a lot of time to solve just a few of them.
Peak-oil comes a lot faster than QC, that's for sure... actually PO is here.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 12:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'M')aybe science is closing in on quantum computing and it will be a reality soon. Wow, what a genie out the bottle that could be.

Just a few years ago, QC was considered way, way out there in Jetsonsville. Sure seems nearer now.


Experiments are not 'a reality soon', they are just experiments. There are so many problems regarding QC that it will take a lot of time to solve just a few of them.
Peak-oil comes a lot faster than QC, that's for sure... actually PO is here.


PO may be here now, but a true Singularitarian would reply, "Any such energy crisis, or even die-off, will only speed our trajectory towards a "singularity".

Necessity is not just a mother... it's the mother of invention. The groupthink around here has always dictated that people cannot/will not adapt and that there is nothing left to discover, and that scientific exploration, advanced R&D is a terrible waste of resources.

But don't stultify your mind with groupthink, dude. Once upon a time, I learned that the majority gets its ass kicked in the stock market virtually every time. It's the whole reason behind Contrarian Investing. The same kind of phenomenon occurs in areas outside of the market.

The fact is: no one can divine the future. And those past social/political/ideological movements which have made rigid prognostications about the future have been wrong virtually every time. It's always been amusing for people to read what folks of yore thought would occur in the near future.

Oops, I forgot..."THIS time is different!", you say.

Let me tell you something, Life on Planet Earth will morph quite successfully into whatever it figures will allow it to grow. Humanity's huge technological accomplishments and huge hump of population and infrastructure will yield unto something entirely new. Trying to guess at what that new thing will ultimately be is a fool's errand.

But since I'm a fool when it comes to the future, I predict that population will decline -- it could be slow, it could be a sudden drop due to deliberately engineered bugs -- but increasing machine intelligence, planetary grid intelligence and aspects of Transhumanism are trends that will not diminish under even a war-like condition of society.

During crises, people tend to band together tightly. They live more socialistically. And they create grand visions based on what is truly worth achieving. And it becomes the dream of every individual to contribute whatever he/she possibly can to the broad society. This is the kind of adaptation that energy shortages would begin to create.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 13:00:42

Maybe, maybe not, or both. qubits
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby outcast » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 13:03:02

A Yale group already made the first quantum processor in the world.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 14:36:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'A') Yale group already made the first quantum processor in the world.


Dang! I thought it was still ahead of us but now its behind us.

First quantum processor created

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew Haven, Conn. — A team led by Yale researchers has created the first rudimentary solid-state quantum processor, a major step in the quest to build a quantum computer.

They also used the two-qubit superconducting chip to successfully run elementary algorithms such as a simple search, demonstrating quantum information processing with a solid-state device for the first time.

"Our processor can perform only a few very simple quantum tasks, which have been demonstrated before with single nuclei, atoms and photons," said Robert Schoelkopf, the William A Norton Professor of Applied Physics & Physics at Yale. "But this is the first time they've been possible in an all-electronic device that looks and feels much more like a regular microprocessor."


Can you imagine the implications for Call Of Duty?
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Novus » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 16:28:47

The time frame I keep hearing from those in the industry is 2015 because that is when the limits to current technology will have been reached. We already hit the point of diminishing returns around 2005 when the chip designers realized they could not push a single processor faster than 4Ghz without advanced cooling.

The industry has gone forward by putting multiple processors on a single chip so a two core system running at 2.5Ghz was almost as good as 5Ghz single processor but not quite because there is some wasted computing in getting the two cores to work together as one. Now there are four core processors and even eight core processors on the market with designs for 16 cores coming sometime after 2010. The issue is there is a hard limit to multi core processors as well. Microsoft will not support anything more than 64 cores because the complexity of adding more cores would outweigh any benefits the extra cores would bring. So that is the hard limit and that may be reached by as soon as 2012 or 2013.

The industry is trying to push that limit further out by distributing processing power away from the CPU to other areas such as video cards. A modern video card is almost as powerful as the CPU with each card having two or four Graphics processors built into it. Recently they have added processors to the North bridge and South bridge controllers to speed along bottle necks. But all this complexity has limits. A high end system now is already up to 8 cores on the CPU and as high as 12 cores spread across three sli GPUs with additional cores on the bridge controllers. Each core they added brings less bang for the buck then the core that proceeded it. The limit when all tricks will have been exhausted to make the next fastest computer will come no later than 2015.

A computer built in 2020 or 2030 will be no faster than the ones built around 2015 unless their is a major breakthrough into new technology. In an industry that is built around consumers replacing their computers every 2 to 4 years this will be death blow similar to how peak oil will squeeze the oil industry. However unlike the oil industry's heel dragging and denial of peak oil the computer industry is fully aware of the peak computer problem and is focused billions in research at new breakthroughs such as quantum computing. The computer industry faced ruin before specifically over Y2K but through herculean efforts largely known to the public they averted catastrophe. I think their focused determination will solve the peak computer problem and bring quantum computing to market in less than ten years.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 16:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')I think their focused determination will solve the peak computer problem and bring quantum computing to market in less than ten years.


Seems like it.

Usually when you start seeing stunning new research advances just about every day or week, it isn't long before full systems are developed and marketed. The industry seems poised to produce the quantum equivalent of the Z-80 processor pretty soon.

Super-Cooled Quantum Computing Is Coming

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tom's Hardware', 'Q')uantum mechanics describes how nature works at a fundamental level. Using those principles to build a quantum computer doesn’t just mean working at the nanoscale level; it also means keeping everything cold enough to see quantum effects. That’s why D-Wave runs its Orion system at a temperature 250 times colder than interstellar space.

Last year the company had a 16-qubit quantum computer that founder and CTO Geordie Rose claimed was the most powerful quantum computer ever built and the first ever to run commercially-relevant applications. This year it has 28 qubits, it can recognise photos of famous landmarks – and you might soon be able to use it over the Web.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any believe that true quantum computing will enable computations that supercomputers would take hundreds of years to process, enabling real-time weather prediction, custom drug design and cracking encryption. Geordie Rose isn’t promising those kinds of universal applications, at least not immediately.

“The breadth of applications is actually quite narrow. The machine can be thought of most profitably as an analogue computer. It’s not exactly an analogue computer, it’s something novel that has never existed before but conceptually you can think of it as a special purpose chip designed to do one thing well. Ultimately, quantum computers will turn into a lot more than that but when you do the first iteration of a technology, it helps to focus what it does. This particular chip, all it does is problems related to pattern matching. Other applications such as code breaking; this chip is disabled in a way that makes those things not possible to run on it. It is possible that in future we might expand - if this particular project succeeds financially – to include other type of processors that are able to harness nature in way that allows you to do these things. But those are long term things and certainly not our focus right now.”
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby bratticus » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 21:25:20

Yeah but...quibble link.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby outcast » Wed 08 Jul 2009, 23:34:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he industry has gone forward by putting multiple processors on a single chip so a two core system running at 2.5Ghz was almost as good as 5Ghz single processor but not quite because there is some wasted computing in getting the two cores to work together as one.


At this point it is questionable whether or not a 5 GHz chip using traditional methods is even possible. The Prescott P4 showed us where the cieling was (around 4GHz) with extra long pipelines and transistor leakage problems.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Novus » Thu 09 Jul 2009, 02:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he industry has gone forward by putting multiple processors on a single chip so a two core system running at 2.5Ghz was almost as good as 5Ghz single processor but not quite because there is some wasted computing in getting the two cores to work together as one.


At this point it is questionable whether or not a 5 GHz chip using traditional methods is even possible. The Prescott P4 showed us where the cieling was (around 4GHz) with extra long pipelines and transistor leakage problems.


The Wolfdale e8600 is faster than the Prescott P4 by quite a considerable margin. Overclockers have reached 5 Ghz on the e8600 using traditional after-market coolers and fans. Google it the amateur after-market modifiers are doing some insane things on the Wolfdale but I believe they have found the limits of what that chip can do.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby bodigami » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 00:12:57

optical octal Unix computing
'nuff said
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 09:23:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he Computer Revolution was Googled and it is Over. Few people or businesses have more need for increased computer power. HD on-demand video is here now. The last significant improvement will be the fiber build out.

The consumer is just about done buying next year's model. What Novus says is only partially true. There will be no multicore extravaganzas.

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multicore computing means a cluster will now be a workstation... like a Mac Pro with 32 GB of RAM, and fiber optic channel plugged directly to an xServe... replacing a small cluster of inferior computers. 8)
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 09:57:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he Computer Revolution was Googled and it is Over. Few people or businesses have more need for increased computer power. HD on-demand video is here now. The last significant improvement will be the fiber build out.

The consumer is just about done buying next year's model. What Novus says is only partially true. There will be no multicore extravaganzas.

Moore's-Law-Is-No-More


That is just completely ridiculous.

Preliminary quantum computing chips are already in existence. There will only commence a similar technological progression as what occurred with microelectonics in silicon. Nanophotonics, too, is a really smokin' hot area of development for which switching technology has recently been announced.

So often, on PeakOil.com, you meet with posts that, in effect, say, "Since new ideas are not yet actualized, there is no possibility that they ever will be". Come on! That's just plain silly! The whole area of nanotechnology is experiencing significant breakthroughs all the time. Nanotechnology has enormous and stunning potential with particular applications to computing.

To say that the 500-year old trend of Progress in general has ended, or that no new scientific discoveries will emerge from current, cutting-edge research, or that significant tech applications are not possible with continued R&D is a completely wild, uninformed (and greatly biased) speculative guess.

For you, civilization cannot collapse fast enough. And you will twist your own perception of factual reality in order to continue to convince yourself that your Olduvai fantasy is really true. But dream on! There is absolutely ZERO indication that technological innovation is slowing down. If anything, it is accelerating rapidly.

Nature Magazine - 2020 computing: Champing at the bits

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Despite some remaining hurdles, the mind-bending and frankly weird world of quantum computers is surprisingly close. Philip Ball finds out how these unusual machines will earn their keep.

Five years ago, if you'd have asked anyone working in quantum computing how long it would take to make a genuinely useful machine, they'd probably have said it was too far off even to guess. But not any longer.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 22:37:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he time frame I keep hearing from those in the industry is 2015 because that is when the limits to current technology will have been reached. We already hit the point of diminishing returns around 2005 when the chip designers realized they could not push a single processor faster than 4Ghz without advanced cooling.

The industry has gone forward by putting multiple processors on a single chip so a two core system running at 2.5Ghz was almost as good as 5Ghz single processor but not quite because there is some wasted computing in getting the two cores to work together as one. Now there are four core processors and even eight core processors on the market with designs for 16 cores coming sometime after 2010. The issue is there is a hard limit to multi core processors as well. Microsoft will not support anything more than 64 cores because the complexity of adding more cores would outweigh any benefits the extra cores would bring. So that is the hard limit and that may be reached by as soon as 2012 or 2013.

The industry is trying to push that limit further out by distributing processing power away from the CPU to other areas such as video cards. A modern video card is almost as powerful as the CPU with each card having two or four Graphics processors built into it. Recently they have added processors to the North bridge and South bridge controllers to speed along bottle necks. But all this complexity has limits. A high end system now is already up to 8 cores on the CPU and as high as 12 cores spread across three sli GPUs with additional cores on the bridge controllers. Each core they added brings less bang for the buck then the core that proceeded it. The limit when all tricks will have been exhausted to make the next fastest computer will come no later than 2015.

A computer built in 2020 or 2030 will be no faster than the ones built around 2015 unless their is a major breakthrough into new technology. In an industry that is built around consumers replacing their computers every 2 to 4 years this will be death blow similar to how peak oil will squeeze the oil industry. However unlike the oil industry's heel dragging and denial of peak oil the computer industry is fully aware of the peak computer problem and is focused billions in research at new breakthroughs such as quantum computing. The computer industry faced ruin before specifically over Y2K but through herculean efforts largely known to the public they averted catastrophe. I think their focused determination will solve the peak computer problem and bring quantum computing to market in less than ten years.


for the record, the Y2K bug is a window$ only bug... unheard of in Unix-land. where all my pixies and daemons live in a happy state.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 22:41:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he Computer Revolution was Googled and it is Over. Few people or businesses have more need for increased computer power. HD on-demand video is here now. The last significant improvement will be the fiber build out.

The consumer is just about done buying next year's model. What Novus says is only partially true. There will be no multicore extravaganzas.

Moore's-Law-Is-No-More


That is just completely ridiculous.

Preliminary quantum computing chips are already in existence. There will only commence a similar technological progression as what occurred with microelectonics in silicon. Nanophotonics, too, is a really smokin' hot area of development for which switching technology has recently been announced.

So often, on PeakOil.com, you meet with posts that, in effect, say, "Since new ideas are not yet actualized, there is no possibility that they ever will be". Come on! That's just plain silly! The whole area of nanotechnology is experiencing significant breakthroughs all the time. Nanotechnology has enormous and stunning potential with particular applications to computing.

To say that the 500-year old trend of Progress in general has ended, or that no new scientific discoveries will emerge from current, cutting-edge research, or that significant tech applications are not possible with continued R&D is a completely wild, uninformed (and greatly biased) speculative guess.

For you, civilization cannot collapse fast enough. And you will twist your own perception of factual reality in order to continue to convince yourself that your Olduvai fantasy is really true. But dream on! There is absolutely ZERO indication that technological innovation is slowing down. If anything, it is accelerating rapidly.

Nature Magazine - 2020 computing: Champing at the bits

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Despite some remaining hurdles, the mind-bending and frankly weird world of quantum computers is surprisingly close. Philip Ball finds out how these unusual machines will earn their keep.

Five years ago, if you'd have asked anyone working in quantum computing how long it would take to make a genuinely useful machine, they'd probably have said it was too far off even to guess. But not any longer.


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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby outcast » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 22:50:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'f')or the record, the Y2K bug is a window$ only bug...


No, it was specific to time sensitive applications on any platform.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or you, civilization cannot collapse fast enough. And you will twist your own perception of factual reality in order to continue to convince yourself that your Olduvai fantasy is really true. But dream on! There is absolutely ZERO indication that technological innovation is slowing down. If anything, it is accelerating rapidly



That sums up the typical doomer position.
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Re: Chasing Down Quantum Computing

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 10:56:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'c')rap.

Moore's Law is over. We are stuck at around 4.0 and have been for several years.

nanotech lubricants. big deal.

biotech agriculture--bt corn and roundready soy. big deal.

neural networks

quantum computing

ultra capacitors

electric cars

manned mars flights,

mining the ocean floor.

Solar sails. ha ha ha.

Artificial Intelligence..I. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

All are Popular Mechanics magazine sales promotions.

The best we can do is the iphone and Japan has been swimming in 3G toys for ever.crap.

space methane
cold fusion
sasquatch
abiotic oil
Quantum computing


If you could reliably show that the centuries long, exponential trend of scientific and technological advancement, had or will reach a peak or had hit some previously unexplained knowledge limit... then you would be the most celebrated scientist/philosopher since Gallileo. You would be rich beyond your dreams. You would have the chance to benefit your fellow humans in a profoundly wise and wonderful way. You would be rewarded handsomely.

Of course, if anyone else - say some brilliant, multi-disciplined researcher - could show the same thing, then HE or SHE would receive all those same accolades and riches. The reason that there are no highly credible scientists demonstrating the limits to knowledge, is that THERE ISN'T THE SLIGHTEST INDICATION THAT A LIMIT EXISTS! There is no way to test for it As far as anyone knows.

One only ever reads this kind of unsubstantiated blather on public discussion boards where the untrained and obtuse continually insist that their uneducated personal opinions are TRUTH, and can shout out their boring and unfounded biases ad nauseum.

(yawn)
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