[mos6507]

Hey Planty!

Bush approvals continue to drop after leaving office, Obama's soaring



All thouse manhours spent bashing Obama and it's not working, Planty. How about you hang up the spurs?

[Plantagenet]

Hey Mossie:

I congratulated Obama on the occasion of his 100 day celebration of his many successes in another thread---




Other then the 1.8 trillion dollar deficit he's created in just 100 days, he's done pretty good so far.

[Schmuto]

If Bush the 3rd is Superman, then you? You're this kid here . . .

[efarmer]

Sometimes I imagine a composite human created from the stronger
memes on this forum. This composite human (of course) puts together
chunks of these memes to make statements. Here is an example
statement from Mr. Meme:

"Let's face it, we all know the whole world is finished, these guys are
all kidding themselves, stash some guns and ammo to protect your
nitro packed beans and rice and make sure you keep the rodents out.
Soon it will be just us enlightened ones, facing off against the zombie
hordes running amok because all law and order has collapsed and it
is complete and utter chaos. What bothers me most about this terrible
spectre is that the government is running huge deficits, and this will
destroy my long term investments and burden my children with a huge
debt they can never repay. If I have to face the zombies, I wish my
failed government to have died debt free, in the midst of a tax reduction,
and firmly believing that they simply ran out of time to apply their
beautiful ideology to an ignorant nation, unready to accept that it
could have died in an almost perfect state of neocon rapture."

[Plantagenet]

AP "factcheck"---Obama lies to America about his role in creating huge budget deficits

AP says Obama is lying about his deficit

[efarmer]

I personally feel the work of Mr. Fournier and his staff at AP is much
better and more subtle than his opposing counterparts like
Keith Olbermann. AP feeds numerous other news and media outlets
as a source much like Reuters does.

I am falling back to sources such as ABC and CBS and the BBC
because my opinion is that Fox , MSNBC, and AP have decided to
deliver news that is heavily spiced in their own kitchen rather than
the long honored tradition of selective delivery favored by
media the world over. I wish to monitor news feeds that make
an attempt to just report what is known and not tell me what it
means in their opinion, especially when they present editorialized
news as the raw feed.

No news source is perfect, but I like to vote with my attention and
accept advertising treatments from sources that at least keep an active
process running to not suck in with any side they are reporting about.

Bad and shocking and sinister news sells like hotcakes, I know
that news organizations have to depict hotcakes to make a buck,
I do object to them running a griddle.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')P "factcheck"---Obama lies to America about his role in creating huge budget deficits

AP says Obama is lying about his deficit

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '
')I am falling back to sources such as ABC and CBS and the BBC
because my opinion is that Fox , MSNBC, and AP have decided to
deliver news that is heavily spiced in their own kitchen rather than
the long honored tradition of selective delivery favored by
media the world over.

[efarmer]

I trust your numbers are as good as they can get Plantagenet.
Many of us, and I strongly presume you as well, saw the financial
freight train barreling down the mountain and headed for a
break in the tracks. This has been true at least since the
final gasps of the Clinton era. We listened to the financial
pundits speak of "soft landings" and other mysterious
gibberish that coincided with hallucinated property and
investment valuations and the sloppiest practices of
how hallucinated wealth could be insured and leveraged
as well.

We were going to get:

1. Total collapse and chaos with unknown consequences and
timelines.

2. Huge government intervention with the budget going further
into the red in order to keep a crippled economy functional
to the point it could be steered and doctored to some degree.

We got number two, I admit it is a "deuce" indeed.
The conservatives were not in control of the Republican party
because they would not have allowed it to continue without
tackling the issues during at least the first 6 Bush years.

I think the economy is going to improve and be OK but not
good and that the time line would be enhanced by conservatives
stepping up and participating in the process even if they are
just a tempering force instead of a steering influence.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'I') trust your numbers are as good as they can get Plantagenet.

[Plantagenet]

The US is treated to the unedifying spectacle of Obama giving himself a big pat on the back on his 100th day and lying to the American people about cutting the deficit, and Pelosi showing cutesy pictures of her grandchildren from the rostrum of the Speaker of the House and lying about not leaving deficits for her grandchildren while the democrats are actually pushing through budgets with the largest deficits in history.

And your complaint about this situation is that AP told the truth about the deficits?

[Tyler_JC]

Why wouldn't people approve of Obama right now?

He is giving a lot of people new government benefits or reducing their taxes. He has yet to suffer a serious foreign policy blunder. He appears confidence and in control. He appears to be saying the right things about health care, gun control (not reinstating the assault weapons ban), and Iraq (by following the Bush time table). Interest rates are down thanks to massive Fed purchases of bonds. Unemployment benefits continue to go out so the people without jobs aren't as angry as they could be.

So far, no one has had to pay a single penny in additional taxes to pay for Obama's spending.

When the time comes to double income taxes on everyone to pay for these deficits...we might see a dip in the poll numbers.

Think of it this way. America is going on a big shopping spree. The man with the credit card is very popular. You might not get everything you want, but you're getting something. You might not like Mike's new xBox and you might think Suzy's new shoes are a little pricey but hey, you're not paying for them! What's to complain about?

So long as Obama's credit card (aka, America's credit card) keeps buying new stuff, the only people who will complain are the fiscal conservatives worried about debt. And no one is listening to these people because they were way too tolerant of Bush's irresponsible spending.

When the bill shows up at the end of the month (first year or two), more people will be angry at the guy who rang up the debt. Then we'll see how high his approval ratings are. For now, I'm mildly surprised he isn't floating around 70%.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')
When the bill shows up at the end of the month (first year or two), more people will be angry at the guy who rang up the debt. Then we'll see how high his approval ratings are. For now, I'm mildly surprised he isn't floating around 70%.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')
When the bill shows up at the end of the month (first year or two), more people will be angry at the guy who rang up the debt. Then we'll see how high his approval ratings are. For now, I'm mildly surprised he isn't floating around 70%.

[efarmer]

We have been operating a shell game inside of a house of cards
for a long time. Various politicians have painted it and will paint
it however they can to best suit them. Deficits get covered by
reduced spending or taxation in governments. Many of us know
too well that the investment markets have another way to do the
job, they suck it right out of your retirement accounts.

By your numbers Plantagenet, I meant the ones you posted,
you are always good with your financial stats and my statement
was to the point of those numbers being as probable as numbers
are when projected into the future, and project numbers we must.

Does anyone think that a nation goes into hock this deep for this
long, and as Plantagenet illustrates, even more so into the future,
and it doesn't burden almost everyone with financial obligation
or loss when it finally comes to a nexus?

I did not think much of the Bush team and I readily admit it,
I don't think much of the Democratic leaders in Congress either.
I do believe Obama will entertain and welcome conservative
influence and input, I also think if he extends his hand and gets
it bitten, he will counterpunch the biter onto his ass in short order.

This is going to be hard on folks that were sure they were going
to push him around and make him into Jimmy Carter so they
could assume the catbird seat again soon.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')
When the bill shows up at the end of the month (first year or two), more people will be angry at the guy who rang up the debt. Then we'll see how high his approval ratings are. For now, I'm mildly surprised he isn't floating around 70%.

[eastbay]

The recession isn't Obama's fault and it's not Bush's fault either. Nor is it Clinton's or the Federals Reserves or Congresses. The seeds for this crash were planted in many places by many, many people. Blame is well shared and even oil depletion played a role in igniting it.

However, we must remember that the official US government response to the disaster is steered, directed, and largely implemented by Obama and his crew. So while the crash itself certainly isn't his doing (that's fairly obvious), the direction it takes and the depth and scope of the disaster is all very much his responsibility. In four years or maybe even sooner we can justifiably point our collective fingers in Obama's direction and say, 'my God, look what you've done!!!' Or, 'wow, you've saved us all!!'