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Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby oswald622 » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 01:03:50

And I don't just mean a little attention from newspaper or magazine articles...

I've been noticing that it's far easier than normal to bring up previously taboo topics like the disintegration of civilization as we know it. To many people, it seems, it's not that remote of a possibility. This change in the public psyche really hit home for me when I heard an advertisement on the radio - on a classic rock station, in the middle of the day - for a cache of seeds in case the food distribution network were to break down. I was just sitting there, thinking - WTF? Really? The market for this is big enough to justify radio ads now?

Anyone else notice any changes of this sort?
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 01:16:13

A little tip for ya. They're worried about the depression. They aren't becoming peakers.
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Unread postby Schmuto » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 02:19:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A') little tip for ya. They're worried about the depression. They aren't becoming peakers.


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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby outcast » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 12:15:50

Doomers such a long history of being way wrong, this will all blow over. Short term "credibility" caused by total panic, possibly, but long term there will never be any real credibility.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 13:04:58

I think what's going on is a lot more sheeple read the internetz than what you may have assumed. So ya, no shock, folks are hearing about PO.
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Unread postby ForlornHope » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 18:08:09

schmuto, your avatar is a bit disturbing. You're looking a little thin...for an anti zionist that is...you really should get more to eat. :P
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 23:52:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Do you still believe that the worldwide economic collapse is only a consequence of over-extended US consumers?


The bubble was going to burst about when it did regardless of the price of oil due to the ARM reset schedule. Now watch it continue to spiral out of control with oil cheap again (prime defaults, commercial real estate, etc...).
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Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 01:58:04

People are panicky about stocks and real estate.
This will pass within 18 months.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 08:30:10

I'm not sure people are actually becoming Doomsters just yet but I think there is little more realization that "bad things happen to good people" going on in the mainstream.

The economy is part, but 9/11 is part, Iraq/Afgan-Pakistan, Katrina, GW, and Pontiac is history For-Gawd-Sakes!

Look how quick the MSM picked up on the swine flu.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t may be wrong to suggest impending doom, but if doom isn't impending, it's out there somewhere....
If running out of oil doesn't scare you, maybe an iceberg the size of Connecticut floating away from Antarctica and hitting the United States will get your attention.

If that ain't mainstream I don't know what is.
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Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 11:08:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A') little tip for ya. They're worried about the depression. They aren't becoming peakers.
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This and others, Let's try to keep the discussion on arguments and not the person. If you are convinced that "doomerism" is gaining a wider audience or that more people are becoming "peakers" lets please making an argument in that respect.

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Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 23:20:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')his and others,Let's try to keep the discussion on arguments and not the person. If you are convinced that "doomerism" is gaining a wider audience or that more people are becoming "peakers" lets please making an argument in that respect.
If you want to call people names, please go to the Hall of Flames.

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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby Chuckmak » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 07:54:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A') little tip for ya. They're worried about the depression. They aren't becoming peakers.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby sittinguy » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 08:09:41

I agree, I can actully say the D word, and not get that funny look as much. If and when TSHTF, all of us prepared doomers will go from looking like nutters to prophets in one day. Freinds and family will be calling us in a panic asking us what to do. Unfortunatly it will be too late. We will be the only ones without itchy bunghole.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 10:55:22

I have to say that when the lead story on Meet the Press is the same as the lead story on PO.com, you have to wonder where we are headed.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 11:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A') little tip for ya. They're worried about the depression. They aren't becoming peakers.


I think its a bit more than that; it is the depression, but they also idealize the past era with thoughts of strong, large ag families, wide open spaces, and pulling together as a national family (reality of that fictional past, notwithstanding). Then they see the reality of what could happen now, start doing a little guestimathimication and come to the conclusion, that if they lose their jobs in a new depression and can't find a new one, they are totally, and royally ********. All it takes is one little mental glimpse of a world where a can of tuna is considered a high luxury; and associating that glimpse with your own possible future to completely alter someone's frame of mind.

At least for a little while.

For the 50-70% who'll pass through this depression mostly unscathed, those that fall by the wayside will be conveniently categorized as "loafing, good for nuthin, free loaders.", while they tell romanticized stories of their own hardships, in an effort to make that sense of unease.. go away.

Then they will forget.

But the physical limit of production remains... the population is even higher... and the machinery to consume energy remains. Bird against the window.. sooner or later, all you have is a gory mess.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 12:41:20

What we're going to see is this overlap between depression preppers and peak oil preppers and it's tempting to see it all as one big happy family but it's not. There is a big difference in the mental outlook and the level of preps of someone thinking they just have to hunker down for a few years and someone who thinks a huge percentage of the global population is going to die off.
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Re: Doomerism gaining credibility?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 12:45:57

pstarr, people by and large just aren't too bright. They couldn't care less about environmental issues as long as the big box stores are fully stocked. Now, if they lose their jobs, then it's time to rush washington with assault rifles, but the environment, overpopulation, fossil fuel depletion? Forget about it.

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