[Caffeine]

I just heard a mainstream FM radio DJ talk about planting a "victory garden." I don't think I've heard that any time recently in mainstream-media-land.

Maybe I should order some more seeds...

[carrottop]

mostly they are saying pay your debts off but this is the first to say plant a garden. wonder what they know we dont !

[gnm]

For the first time I can remember, every garden shop in the city is out of 6 inch peat pots and nearly out of the small seed starter pots. But still a fair selection of seeds available - going fast the salesmen said... Can't keep grape vines in they said...

-G

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('carrottop', 'm')ostly they are saying pay your debts off but this is the first to say plant a garden. wonder what they know we dont !

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'F')or the first time I can remember, every garden shop in the city is out of 6 inch peat pots and nearly out of the small seed starter pots. But still a fair selection of seeds available - going fast the salesmen said... Can't keep grape vines in they said...

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('carrottop', 'm')ostly they are saying pay your debts off but this is the first to say plant a garden. wonder what they know we dont !

[3aidlillahi]

I'm wondering if it's a good thing that the pots and fruit trees are being sold out so quickly.

On one hand, it means that people are waking up and starting to get prepared which could lessen the probability of the breaking down of our social fabric.

OTOH, it means less resources available for each of us and thus higher prices and less productivity, assuming this is leading to physical constraints. This lessens our chances of survival throughout the ordeal.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'I')'m wondering if it's a good thing that the pots and fruit trees are being sold out so quickly.

On one hand, it means that people are waking up and starting to get prepared which could lessen the probability of the breaking down of our social fabric.

OTOH, it means less resources available for each of us and thus higher prices and less productivity, assuming this is leading to physical constraints. This lessens our chances of survival throughout the ordeal.

[dinopello]

It's no mystery, the sudden interest in Victory Gardens

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou can always order on the first day a mail order company is taking orders for spring (or for that matter fall) planting. Pick your company, call and ask when they start accepting orders and call, fax or mail your order on that day.

It just means that you may need to plan ahead, that's all.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou can always order on the first day a mail order company is taking orders for spring (or for that matter fall) planting. Pick your company, call and ask when they start accepting orders and call, fax or mail your order on that day.

It just means that you may need to plan ahead, that's all.

[wisconsin_cur]

To the op, hopefully we will not give them a name because they will become part of how we live and not seen as a stopgap against a short-term crisis before we return to "normal."

But if we do have to give them a name I vote for "Liberty Garden."

as a nod to Jefferson and his belief that a degree of agrarian experience was important for a good citizen.

as a recognition that we should seek to be liberated from big ag

as a way to be liberated by spending less on food

as a way to be liberated from a need to make more money etc etc

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut you can make sure that you get supplied.

I thought that was the concern you were expressing.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut you can make sure that you get supplied.

I thought that was the concern you were expressing.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')But if we do have to give them a name I vote for "Liberty Garden."

as a nod to Jefferson and his belief that a degree of agrarian experience was important for a good citizen.

as a recognition that we should seek to be liberated from big ag

as a way to be liberated by spending less on food

as a way to be liberated from a need to make more money etc etc

[Caffeine]

I noticed the following at a couple of seed companies:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ue to the unusually high volume of seed orders received,
we are temporarily suspending taking any additional orders for Spring shipment.

[3aidlillahi]

Wis, I think you hate me. Quit proving me wrong!

But I don't think that we've ever experienced anything like what we will, when people realize that they will have to produce a lot of their own food. We will likely see a massive rush to seed companies and the like and one has to wonder if the economics and physics of the situation will allow for rapid expansion of their businesses.

[Chaparral]

Home Depot has a lot of fruit trees and they seem to tailor their offerings to the area in which the particular store is located. I'm in Sunset Western Garden zone 23-24 on the coast and the local store in the same zone stocks things like Anna, Ein schemer and Fuji apple trees (about the only ones that have a ghost of a chance to produce here).

WRT seeds, I only grow heirloom varieties and I always let a few plants set seed every cycle. This year i did not even have to plant chard, romaine, beets and radishes. They came up in abundance (as much as I can handle) where the seeds fell in the beds and pathways from last summer. I purposely saved pole bean and fava bean seeds and have well over 200 plants. It's ridiculous. Some are even growing in the pathways or in spaces in the driveway.

The idea is this: If I plant 20 "cut & come again" lettuce, let the last 2 or 3 bolt, flower and set seed. If I plant a few dozen radishes, let 2 or 3 plants flower and do their thing. I can get 2 to 3 sets of fava beans off my plants so for maybe a third of the plants, i'll let them keep that last set of pods to maturity. i'll then collect the pods for the cool season when it's time to plant. I can only do this for about a dozen different crops but as time marches on and my soil develops, I can add new varieties here and there.

One thing tho, i've learned the hard way about F2 offspring from hybrid seed: got a lot of really stunted, poorly producing (but super flavorful) broccoli coming up all over the place. Avoid that hybrid stuff if you're afraid of not being able to secure seed in the future and don't just hoard heirloom seeds, plant 'em, grow 'em, let them bolt and flower and set seed and start producing your own. You might find yourself in the position where you are able to give them to friends and neighbors who take an interest in Liberty Gardening (good term Wis Cur!).

[wisconsin_cur]

3,

Hate is, as a rule, a misuse of energy.

1. Often their ideas that need to be... sharpened or blunted through (sometimes hot) discussion.

2. Sometimes their are ideas that need to be resisted fervently.

3. On occasion there are people or nations that must be opposed passionately and with deep resolve.

I don't know that I know of a good use for hate. I think it skews perception of reality. I won't say that it is without use, my life is still relatively early in days (I suppose it is useful to keep crowds focused when #3 is experienced but that is at the cost of the opaque truth)... but every instance I have seen, to date, it has been a hinderence to the person harboring it. And if it hinders the one experiencing it, what use is it even if the other deserves it?

I am sorry if you feel that I have singled you out. I seem to remember a conversation or two that might have been in the first class... maybe the second (I honestly do not remember)... but nothing that would keep me from offering what ever help I can to someone trying to prepare themselves or their community for the challenges ahead.

wishing you peace, courage and joy,

wis.cur

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am sorry if you feel that I have singled you out