[SeaGypsy]

As I am about to embark on my rebooked flight to Australia; my thoughts are on energy consumption and subsequent effects.
I also would like to leave something for the board to chew over while I'm away.

A poster mentioned the DIM EFFECT yesterday in relation to Antarctica.
I remember that after 9/11 the effect was proven by temperature and UV spikes accross the USA from the lack of high airborn pollution due to air traffic shut down. I also recall the 'Earth Hour' farce.

Anyway while I slept I came up with an idea; one that could shock humanity into rapid change of carbon/ climate policy.

The idea is this: Around the planet we collectivley agree to halt all non- essential industry for a week. Close highways, slow power stations to threshold, close factories, schools, airports, the whole bloomin lot except absolute emergency services. Plan it a year or 2 i advance, make it on an equinox period so the climate is as mild as possible and even acroos the globe.

Then: just see what really happens to the climate. It's only a week!
The cost in the long term would be negligable, but we would at least get some real idea if we are all going to fry when our ability to load up the sky with particulates is gone.

What if it turns out that in a 90% pollution reduced world the temperature would spike by 5 or 10 degrees centigrade? It is possble.

My suggestion is that we find out ASAP what we are in for in an industry free/ reduced world.

This could be the impetus needed to get governments to wake up to peak oil and climate change simultaneously; as well as linking the 2 issues.
(even if that's to Schmuto's dismay).

What do posters think?

[Rod_Cloutier]

Earth hour was a complete farse that anyone with a brain ignored. (Most people participated in it.)

Every day humans burn carbon based fuels and add a neglible amount of carbon to the atmosphere. Global warming is only caused by the cumulative effect of literally decades of adding a neglible amount of carbon each day. A one hour reduction in energy use on one day will have no impact whatsoever with the global warming effect.

This is just garbage. The public's absurd and misguided faith in recycling is another example of how people do not understand what the real issues are and how a growing economy will damage the planet, no matter what is done with the wastes. The demand for recycled material collapsed during the recent economy meltdown, now municipalities can't give the collected recyclables away. Thinking that recycing your trash is enough to save the planet is absurd.

So long as the economy is growing we will use more energy, have a greater carbon footprint, use more non-renewable and renewable resources. Global warming would continue just from the momentum of the existing carbon we have already added to the atmosphere, even if we never emmitted a ton more. The 350 movement is also absurd. We are already at 383 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it would take 500 years of zero emmisions to get the CO2 back down to this level, it is an absurd goal.

The age of consequences is apon us, we have taken all the fish from the sea, altered the climate, cut down our forests, polluted our land, water and ruined our soils. Recycling, Earth hour's, and 350PPM silly political movements won't change any of this. Consequences are comming!

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'E')arth hour was a complete farse that anyone with a brain ignored. (Most people participated in it.)

Every day humans burn carbon based fuels and add a neglible amount of carbon to the atmosphere. Global warming is only caused by the cumulative effect of literally decades of adding a neglible amount of carbon each day. A one hour reduction in energy use on one day will have no impact whatsoever with the global warming effect.

This is just garbage. The public's absurd and misguided faith in recycling is another example of how people do not understand what the real issues are and how a growing economy will damage the planet, no matter what is done with the wastes. The demand for recycled material collapsed during the recent economy meltdown, now municipalities can't give the collected recyclables away. Thinking that recycing your trash is enough to save the planet is absurd.

So long as the economy is growing we will use more energy, have a greater carbon footprint, use more non-renewable and renewable resources. Global warming would continue just from the momentum of the existing carbon we have already added to the atmosphere, even if we never emmitted a ton more. The 350 movement is also absurd. We are already at 383 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it would take 500 years of zero emmisions to get the CO2 back down to this level, it is an absurd goal.

The age of consequences is apon us, we have taken all the fish from the sea, altered the climate, cut down our forests, polluted our land, water and ruined our soils. Recycling, Earth hour's, and 350PPM silly political movements won't change any of this. Consequences are comming!